Members of Erie's faith community talk gun control

Jan 30, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Erie Times News

About 20 people attended a forum at the Booker T. Washington Center in Erie on Jan.

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Ben Schmekel

Clyde, OH

#1 Jan 31, 2013
looks like and sounds like a field trip of Barber center clientele...
flint westwood

United States

#2 Jan 31, 2013
From what I read in the Erie Slime News, the religious/faith group ought to read what the Constitution says regarding what the intent of the Bill of Rights is with regard for individual citizens rights & prohibition of the Government to infringe on them.
I especially liked their dismay of a gun debate being held at a Gun Shop for the public. Using their logic ..... this would mean Church Services would no longer be held in a church or children would no longer receive education at or in a school.
The lack of logical thought by the ultra leftwing activists who masquerade as members of the Religious community is obvious....they should learn to speak from their mouths instead of talking out of their asses.
flint westwood

United States

#3 Jan 31, 2013
Oh, By the way I see about 20 nitwits attended this Psuedo Religious gun forum while over 500 attended the real Gun Forum held at Bobs Gun Shop.I do not want for reality to get lost in the spinning of truth on this thread.
Ben Schmekel

Clyde, OH

#4 Jan 31, 2013
flint westwood wrote:
Oh, By the way I see about 20 nitwits attended this Psuedo Religious gun forum while over 500 attended the real Gun Forum held at Bobs Gun Shop.I do not want for reality to get lost in the spinning of truth on this thread.
the ' pseudo religious' gang passed the offering plate; then sent half to obama
Stu

Erie, PA

#6 Jan 31, 2013
You can't be too far away from invoking the Holocaust to rationalize your stupidity. Did any of you jerks graduate?
Bringmedinner wrote:
If the illogic of the Communist Chinese inspired Leftists in America was applied to their promotion of homosexuality and their killing of tens upon tens of thousands of people with AIDS (hundreds if not thousands of times greater than those killed by so-called assault weapons), it would make more sense making homosexuality illegal (and the environmental groups funding the activist, infected deviants since the 70s instead of planting trees.)
Boomer

Grand Island, FL

#7 Jan 31, 2013
Bringmedinner wrote:
If the illogic of the Communist Chinese inspired Leftists in America was applied to their promotion of homosexuality and their killing of tens upon tens of thousands of people with AIDS (hundreds if not thousands of times greater than those killed by so-called assault weapons), it would make more sense making homosexuality illegal (and the environmental groups funding the activist, infected deviants since the 70s instead of planting trees.)
Instead of planting trees,they should plant chimps,permanantly.
flint westwood

United States

#8 Feb 1, 2013
I watched one of the good sisters who complained about the town hall meeting at Bobs Gun Shop on TV talking about the shootings & saying the children were almost cut in half by the shooting.A horrific scenario, I am not saying this is not true but I could find no independent confirmation to support that statement.
Even if true, the death of the students & teachers at Sandy Hook was a monstrous & senseless killing by a confirmed & known mentally disturbed individual , to sensationalize it anymore is wrong.

What is being missed or ignored is trampling Constitutional rights of the people trying to make a political statement which will not protect or defend our children one bit.
As an example these Military style weapons are described as Assault Rifles which is not true as they are Semi-automatic, not full automatic guns by Obama & his staff.
What is not being reported is the Administration has requested competitive bids to supply 7000 Personal protection weapons for use by Government agents in close quarter situations like homes. The specifications are for Fullblown military AR-15 rifles with both semi & full auto capability.
My question is why is the Obama team talking out of both sides of their mouths on this issue.......
Semi Auto Ar -15 style weapons in the hands of civilians are deadly "military assault weapons" designed to just kill while genuine semi/full auto actual military weapons in the hands of Obama Government agents are just merely "Personal protection weapons ".
Is this another step in the creation of Obama`s private army he described with the same capacity as the military as desirable?
I think the good but deluded sister should focus on what the intentions of the Obama administration really is then to support the Liberal Socialist agenda without question. Actually I think this is good advice for anyone who cares for freedom in this country.
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Dickweed

Santa Rosa Beach, FL

#9 Feb 1, 2013
You guys are relly paranoid about your precious guns. I haven't heard anything about the governemnt coming to take away your guns. But I sincerely beleive military weapons should stay inthe military, and are not for civilian use in a civilized country like the USA.
These weapons are not suitable to personal protection, and not suitable for hunting either. They are weapons designed to kill soldiers on the battle field.
The reason we have so many illegal guns is because we have so many legal guns. The legally purchased guns are stolen from the homes of legal gun owers, or taken when a criminal gets the drop on a civilian gun owner.
I think in this debate it is necessary to find the numbers on how many guns ae stoen every year, I haven't seen that number in any of this loudmouthed "OBama is trampling my rights" debate.
Maybe passing laws to make uncarried weapons be in a gun safe when stored could help to make guns harder for criminals to steal from us law abiding citizens.
That is why I don't own a gun anymore.
I had 3 handguns when my wife worked in an outdoor market seling t shirts and would often have to walk to her car with as much as $8000 dollars on her and then drive 10 miles home through the worst parts of NEw Orleans. I told her the only way having a gun would help her is if it ws in her hand.
So she walked to the car with money over her left shoulder and a loaded .380 semi auto in her hand, or a .38 Rossi snubnose revolver. I told her do not let the gun out of her hand until her car was started and moving, then when driving keep the gun at arm's reach.
Later we didn't live in NOLA and didn't carry bunches of cash but we still had the .380 the .38 and a 9mm. Our son had a rough patch when he was a teenager and got into drugs and hanging out with loosers. We hadn't used any of the guns in yeaars and they were all in nice cases at the back of my sock drawer. one evening I woke up freakig out about my son's stupid behavior, and deceided he would at some point go for the guns to either sell or get even with one of his asshole drug head running mates.
So at 3am I got all 3 guns, opened up the cases and took them all apart, and mixed up all the parts into the 3 cases. MY fear was my legal gun ownership would result in illegal activity.
When my idiot son finally grabbed one case for whatever the hell he was thinking, it was completely useless to him or anybody else.

When my wife was carrying, I was meticulous about the care and storage of the weapons. We practiced shooting and the whole bit. But later, my love of shooting and my need for a gun wained and my care of them became non existant. That is where the problems are. At one point my son or one of his druggy idiot pals could have taken one of those guns and I would not have noticed for weeks. That happens alot.

So for me making locked secure gun storage a MANDATORY part of gun ownership makes more sense then backround checks, and would do better to keep legal guns from falling into the hands of crooks. I know many gun owners do this, but many more do not. They just have a gun in a box on a shelf in a closet, and when they finally need it, they will find it is not there or not usable.

Currently I do not have any guns.(even though we have a Kenyan Commy liberal Facist black muslim president) And I will not purchase another gun unless I am prepared to install a real safe inthe house for the gun when I am not at home. and for the gun to actually help me, it needs to be on my side at home and in the safe when I am not at home.
I am not prepared to live like that so I don't have any guns.
If you ain't prepared to live like thaat you should not have guns either...IMHO.
Ben Schmekel

Clyde, OH

#10 Feb 1, 2013
Dickweed wrote:
You guys are relly paranoid about your precious guns. I haven't heard anything about the governemnt coming to take away your guns. But I sincerely beleive military weapons should stay inthe military, and are not for civilian use in a civilized country like the USA.
These weapons are not suitable to personal protection, and not suitable for hunting either. They are weapons designed to kill soldiers on the battle field.
The reason we have so many illegal guns is because we have so many legal guns. The legally purchased guns are stolen from the homes of legal gun owers, or taken when a criminal gets the drop on a civilian gun owner.
I think in this debate it is necessary to find the numbers on how many guns ae stoen every year, I haven't seen that number in any of this loudmouthed "OBama is trampling my rights" debate.
Maybe passing laws to make uncarried weapons be in a gun safe when stored could help to make guns harder for criminals to steal from us law abiding citizens.
That is why I don't own a gun anymore.
I had 3 handguns when my wife worked in an outdoor market seling t shirts and would often have to walk to her car with as much as $8000 dollars on her and then drive 10 miles home through the worst parts of NEw Orleans. I told her the only way having a gun would help her is if it ws in her hand.
So she walked to the car with money over her left shoulder and a loaded .380 semi auto in her hand, or a .38 Rossi snubnose revolver. I told her do not let the gun out of her hand until her car was started and moving, then when driving keep the gun at arm's reach.
Later we didn't live in NOLA and didn't carry bunches of cash but we still had the .380 the .38 and a 9mm. Our son had a rough patch when he was a teenager and got into drugs and hanging out with loosers. We hadn't used any of the guns in yeaars and they were all in nice cases at the back of my sock drawer. one evening I woke up freakig out about my son's stupid behavior, and deceided he would at some point go for the guns to either sell or get even with one of his asshole drug head running mates.
So at 3am I got all 3 guns, opened up the cases and took them all apart, and mixed up all the parts into the 3 cases. MY fear was my legal gun ownership would result in illegal activity.
When my idiot son finally grabbed one case for whatever the hell he was thinking, it was completely useless to him or anybody else.
When my wife was carrying, I was meticulous about the care and storage of the weapons. We practiced shooting and the whole bit. But later, my love of shooting and my need for a gun wained and my care of them became non existant. That is where the problems are. At one point my son or one of his druggy idiot pals could have taken one of those guns and I would not have noticed for weeks. That happens alot.
So for me making locked secure gun storage a MANDATORY part of gun ownership makes more sense then backround checks, and would do better to keep legal guns from falling into the hands of crooks. I know many gun owners do this, but many more do not. They just have a gun in a box on a shelf in a closet, and when they finally need it, they will find it is not there or not usable.
Currently I do not have any guns.(even though we have a Kenyan Commy liberal Facist black muslim president) And I will not purchase another gun unless I am prepared to install a real safe inthe house for the gun when I am not at home. and for the gun to actually help me, it needs to be on my side at home and in the safe when I am not at home.
I am not prepared to live like that so I don't have any guns.
If you ain't prepared to live like thaat you should not have guns either...IMHO.
Dick, you only need one gun...and in your case you only need one bullet.
Richard Weed

Waterford, PA

#11 Feb 1, 2013
flint westwood wrote:
I watched one of the good sisters who complained about the town hall meeting at Bobs Gun Shop on TV talking about the shootings & saying the children were almost cut in half by the shooting.A horrific scenario, I am not saying this is not true but I could find no independent confirmation to support that statement.
Even if true, the death of the students & teachers at Sandy Hook was a monstrous & senseless killing by a confirmed & known mentally disturbed individual , to sensationalize it anymore is wrong.
What is being missed or ignored is trampling Constitutional rights of the people trying to make a political statement which will not protect or defend our children one bit.
As an example these Military style weapons are described as Assault Rifles which is not true as they are Semi-automatic, not full automatic guns by Obama & his staff.
What is not being reported is the Administration has requested competitive bids to supply 7000 Personal protection weapons for use by Government agents in close quarter situations like homes. The specifications are for Fullblown military AR-15 rifles with both semi & full auto capability.
My question is why is the Obama team talking out of both sides of their mouths on this issue.......
Semi Auto Ar -15 style weapons in the hands of civilians are deadly "military assault weapons" designed to just kill while genuine semi/full auto actual military weapons in the hands of Obama Government agents are just merely "Personal protection weapons ".
Is this another step in the creation of Obama`s private army he described with the same capacity as the military as desirable?
I think the good but deluded sister should focus on what the intentions of the Obama administration really is then to support the Liberal Socialist agenda without question. Actually I think this is good advice for anyone who cares for freedom in this country.
\
I saw that report too. I had to laugh when the old nun said "some of those children were cut in hef". I assume she meant half. But anyways, it's a constitutional right. And once we start pecking away at those rights we will continue to lose more and more of them. Gun control only keeps guns away from those who go about obtaining them legally. Case and point is the lame attempt of the "War on Drugs". Hows that working out for ya? Same thing will happen with guns. Will the animals on the street still have them? Absolutely.
Dickweed

Santa Rosa Beach, FL

#12 Feb 1, 2013
Ben Schmekel wrote:
<quoted text>Dick, you only need one gun...and in your case you only need one bullet.
But I have neither. So you are stuck with me, and my opinion.
flint westwood

United States

#13 Feb 1, 2013
Yes ...You are entitled to your opinion, you gave it & explained why you have your current opinion & I understand. But for me....I believe in the constitution & have to question Obama`s motives in arming Government employees with full auto military weapons while at the same time using Sandy Hook as a tool to disarm the American public in violation to our Bill of Rights.
Our first Socialist Marxist admirer "His words , not mine" cannot be trusted ...Period!
Dickweed

Santa Rosa Beach, FL

#14 Feb 1, 2013
flint westwood wrote:
Yes ...You are entitled to your opinion, you gave it & explained why you have your current opinion & I understand. But for me....I believe in the constitution & have to question Obama`s motives in arming Government employees with full auto military weapons while at the same time using Sandy Hook as a tool to disarm the American public in violation to our Bill of Rights.
Our first Socialist Marxist admirer "His words , not mine" cannot be trusted ...Period!
I do not know of Obama arming government employees with fully automatic weapons. I think the milirary is armed that way and they should be, but I don't think Obama gave automatic weapons to gov. employees. Automatic handguns are illegal for everyone even the police.
Please check your facts on that, it seems a bit far fetched.
The constitution says you have a right to keep and bear arms.
It does not say that right is to be unregulated or untaxed.
Dickweed

Santa Rosa Beach, FL

#15 Feb 1, 2013
Richard Weed wrote:
<quoted text>
I saw that report too. I had to laugh when the old nun said "some of those children were cut in hef".
You to laugh at "kids cut in hef"?
I'm pretty sure a 6 year old with 2 gunshot wounds in the gut from a 9mm is basically cut in hef.
I see no humor in that statement.
If you have to follow new laws to own a gun, you can still own a gun.
The constitution says right to keep and bear arms. it does not say that right is to be unregulated or untaxed.
Freedom of speech is fully expained in the constitution to be unlegislated on. The 2nd Amendment was not written like that.
tim leary

Erie, PA

#16 Feb 1, 2013
Dickweed wrote:
<quoted text>
You to laugh at "kids cut in hef"?
I'm pretty sure a 6 year old with 2 gunshot wounds in the gut from a 9mm is basically cut in hef.
I see no humor in that statement.
If you have to follow new laws to own a gun, you can still own a gun.
The constitution says right to keep and bear arms. it does not say that right is to be unregulated or untaxed.
Freedom of speech is fully expained in the constitution to be unlegislated on. The 2nd Amendment was not written like that.
As usual...you idiot liberals have no concept of world history.
mind your own

Erie, PA

#17 Feb 1, 2013
Dickweed wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not know of Obama arming government employees with fully automatic weapons. I think the milirary is armed that way and they should be, but I don't think Obama gave automatic weapons to gov. employees. Automatic handguns are illegal for everyone even the police.
Please check your facts on that, it seems a bit far fetched.
The constitution says you have a right to keep and bear arms.
It does not say that right is to be unregulated or untaxed.
http://www.naturalnews.com/038844_DHS_assault...
the above link will tell you about the 7000 select fire weapons.

Now you say The constitution does not say that this right is to be unregulated? Do the words "Shall not be infringed" mean anything to you? also google the Unrepealable "Dick act of 1902"
How do you tax a right? If poor people cant afford to pay the tax then it isnt a right. Use your head
mind your own

Erie, PA

#18 Feb 1, 2013
Dickweed wrote:
<quoted text>
You to laugh at "kids cut in hef"?
I'm pretty sure a 6 year old with 2 gunshot wounds in the gut from a 9mm is basically cut in hef.
I see no humor in that statement.
If you have to follow new laws to own a gun, you can still own a gun.
The constitution says right to keep and bear arms. it does not say that right is to be unregulated or untaxed.
Freedom of speech is fully expained in the constitution to be unlegislated on. The 2nd Amendment was not written like that.
From everything I have heard and read, no kids were shot with a 9mm. All the reports say all were shot with a .223 which leaves a hole a little larger than one eighth of an inch across, about the same as a .22
It would take 100's if not 1000's of rounds to cut someone in half by shooting then with this caliber of a rifle.
further more, where did they see pictures of this??
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#19 Feb 2, 2013
I wish I had known Bob's gun shop was having a forum. I'd have gone if possible to press their shit.

The statute is a right to keep and bear arms (armaments) and if you're against a Muslim American citizen being allowed to own a nuke for some suspect necessary "self defense" situation, then you don't believe in the 2nd Amendment yourself. Period.

Let's get Bob on the horn here and have him speak to this, eh?
mind your own

Erie, PA

#21 Feb 2, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
I wish I had known Bob's gun shop was having a forum. I'd have gone if possible to press their shit.
The statute is a right to keep and bear arms (armaments) and if you're against a Muslim American citizen being allowed to own a nuke for some suspect necessary "self defense" situation, then you don't believe in the 2nd Amendment yourself. Period.
Let's get Bob on the horn here and have him speak to this, eh?
I wish you would have went also, maybe if you would have seen yourself on tv you would realize how stupid you look to everyone else. It would have also let the whole town see that you are a nut job
mind your own

Erie, PA

#22 Feb 2, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
I wish I had known Bob's gun shop was having a forum. I'd have gone if possible to press their shit.
The statute is a right to keep and bear arms (armaments) and if you're against a Muslim American citizen being allowed to own a nuke for some suspect necessary "self defense" situation, then you don't believe in the 2nd Amendment yourself. Period.
Let's get Bob on the horn here and have him speak to this, eh?
why dont you just drive up to bob's and ask his opinion on it? I'm sure he has no problems explaining his view.
Oh that right, that would be face to face. never mind< just keep posting your shit here

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