SAF launches poll: 'Do guns save lives?'

There are 20 comments on the Examiner.com story from Dec 5, 2013, titled SAF launches poll: 'Do guns save lives?'. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

The Second Amendment Foundation late yesterday launched a video poll asking people whether they agree that Guns Save Lives; the latest chapter in a duel between gun rights advocates and gun prohibitionists.

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“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#1 Dec 5, 2013
Of course guns save lives. From anywhere between 1 to 2-1/2 MILLION times a year here in the U.S. in defensive use alone.

God only knows how many lives have been saved. Just due to the knowledge of a potential victim being armed. Which has undoubtedly stopped the perpetration of a VAST NUMBER of crimes.

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#3 Dec 5, 2013
satanlives wrote:
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There is no god fu-ktard, so suck a big one.... which is what you are best at...and no lives have been saved...guns are designed for only one thing ... TO KILL
You're in for one very rude awakening here shortly.
SatanliveS

Hollywood, FL

#4 Dec 5, 2013
What am I saying?! Guns certainly save lives! I'm the idiot again.... I hate when this happens!! Well, they saved George Zimmerman's life yet they ended the negro boy's life.... Hmmm.... That's cool. I thought George was a hunk anyway, atleast until he got fat! He's getting a svelt again though I see! Mmmmm, why does he hang with these skanky chicks when I'd love him so much better! Legal Guns End Thuggery folks!
Slayer of Evil

San Francisco, CA

#5 Dec 5, 2013
satanlives wrote:
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If there is one reason I like to stalk little kids, IT'S TO KILL
You just signed your Death Warrant!!!
SatanliveS

Miami, FL

#6 Dec 5, 2013
Slayer of Evil wrote:
<quoted text>You just signed your Death Warrant!!!
hey.... Nelson nappy hair Mandela just croaked. Good. He liked guns I heard!(Ever hear of a revolutionary who didn't?). Anyway. He's having a beer summit with that negro boy shot by our hero GZ. They are up in heaven exchanging stories about YT robbing them of their civil rights!! Oh wait, I don't like heaven! I'm SatanLives and I meant to say they're both in hell. Yup.
SatanliveS

Miami, FL

#7 Dec 5, 2013
"Nelson, when did you get here?" Trayvon
"I just died today. Came in on the 3pm train to glory" Mandela
"Great, we can play the knockout game !" Travyon
"I don't play games sonny! Say, when did you get here ?" Mandela
"Oh, it was the day I messed with one of them crakkerz !" Twayvon
"......FOOL.......You provoked YT in Florida? Are you stupid?!" Mandela
"I was stupid..... Now I'm dead like you" twazyon
flash1

Vancouver, WA

#10 Dec 6, 2013
Guns not only safe lives, they also save your freedom!

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#11 Dec 6, 2013
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#12 Dec 6, 2013
2ndAmRight wrote:
Of course guns save lives. From anywhere between 1 to 2-1/2 MILLION times a year .
Less than 70,000.

According to your own source.

Funny how you keep clipping off the first part of a sentence, Sodomite.

PS: A "defensive gun use" means: someone who feels threatened grabs a gun and shouts "who's there?"

It doesn't mean any lives were saved.

And of course: 32,000 people die of firearm wounds.

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#14 Dec 6, 2013
Of course, this is not a poll, it's a survey, and our gun gnutters will no doubt grab the results of Beck's survey and insist they are "scientific".

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#15 Dec 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Less than 70,000.
According to your own source.
Funny how you keep clipping off the first part of a sentence, Sodomite.
PS: A "defensive gun use" means: someone who feels threatened grabs a gun and shouts "who's there?"
It doesn't mean any lives were saved.
And of course: 32,000 people die of firearm wounds.
You state:

"Less than 70,000.
According to your own source."

Which of course is a bold-faced lie. For what I have referenced, which is at a LOW estimation, is:

"Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18]

" [17] Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. http://www.springerlink.com/content/rngn32742...

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The most important of the other set of questions asked:

Within the past 12 months, have you yourself used a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or someone else, or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere?

This is largely identical to the standard question from the other surveys, but the reference period is 1 year rather than 5 years. The question also refers to the respondent alone, rather than to all household members.

Page 8: "Because gun ownership is a strong correlate of firearm resistance (e.g., Kleck and Gertz, 1996, p. 187), we selected a national sample from commercial lists of likely gun owners. Of the eventual respondents, 83% did report the presence of a gun in their home."

Page 8: "This left 3006 households, an 81% response rate. The interviewers selected a single respondent from within each household. In a random 75% of the cases, the interviewers asked for the male head of household. In the remaining 25% they asked for the female head."

Page 10: "Table II. Types of Incidents of Firearm Defense...."

[18] As shown in the previous footnote, this study did not use a nationally representative population. To correct for this, Just Facts used the following equation:



t = c g p /[n r [[s d / f]+[(1-s)(1- d)/(1- f)]]]

Where:

t = Total defensive gun uses in a nationally representative population

c = Defensive gun uses in this survey, civilian against offender, clear = 48

g = Minimum proportion of households with a gun = 0.34*

p = Population, ages 25-70 = 158,799,375

n = Survey sample size = 3006

r = Proportion of survey respondents with a gun in their home =.83

s = Proportion of survey respondents who are female =.25

d = Proportion of defensive gun uses by females =.46

f = Proportion of population (ages 25-70) who are females =.51

NOTES:

In keeping with Just Facts' Standards of Credibility, we have given preferentiality to figures that are contrary to our viewpoints and used the most cautious plausible interpretations of this data. Details of how we have done this are explained in the following notes....
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp #[18]

Why do you insist on lying? If you were so confident in your position, there would be no reason to lie. But LIE is all you do. WHY IS THAT?

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#16 Dec 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
Of course, this is not a poll, it's a survey, and our gun gnutters will no doubt grab the results of Beck's survey and insist they are "scientific".
Yet you have nothing to refute it that has any credibility. WHY IS THAT?

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#17 Dec 6, 2013
2ndAmRight wrote:
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You state:
"Less than 70,000.
According to your own source."
Which of course is a bold-faced lie.
Quote mining, Sod0mite.

Here's the source you just gave us:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32842.pdf

I know: when you get cornered, you have to move your sources around.

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#18 Dec 6, 2013
2ndAmRight wrote:
"Based on survey data
Survey data, Sweet Pea.

We have already explained to you the difference between surveys and polls.

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#19 Dec 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Quote mining, Sod0mite.
Here's the source you just gave us:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32842.pdf
I know: when you get cornered, you have to move your sources around.
Yup, that's the source alright. But what >you< are LAMELY forgetting, is the population increases each year. As well as other variables taken into account by the CONGRESSIONAL MANDATED STUDY.

Don't you wish you had the capacity for thought and reason, troll? Or, are you satisfied proving yourself to be foolish repeatedly? The latter certainly appears to be the case with you.

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#20 Dec 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Survey data, Sweet Pea.
We have already explained to you the difference between surveys and polls.
Yet you have NOTHING with which to REFUTE it. Other than your shrill deluded claims. WHY IS THAT, troll?

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#21 Dec 6, 2013
2ndAmRight wrote:
Yup, that's the source alright.
Thanks for confirming you just lied.

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#22 Dec 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Thanks for confirming you just lied.
Yeah, twisty. I'm sure in that deluded little squirrel cage that you call a mind it seems that way. But reality shows quite the opposite.

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#23 Dec 6, 2013
2ndAmRight wrote:
But what >you< are LAMELY forgetting, is the population increases each year.
YOU DON'T SAY?

But you keep listing California as a leading state for firearms deaths and California has 37 million people in it!

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!

And You KEEP IGNORING that the ACTUAL NUMBER OF BODIES is going up, Sodomite!

HAHAHAAHAHAHAH!

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#24 Dec 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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YOU DON'T SAY?
But you keep listing California as a leading state for firearms deaths and California has 37 million people in it!
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!
And You KEEP IGNORING that the ACTUAL NUMBER OF BODIES is going up, Sodomite!
HAHAHAAHAHAHAH!
Guess the facts have set off that squirrel cage in your head spinning again., eh troll?

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