Starbucks asks customers to leave gun...

Starbucks asks customers to leave guns at home

There are 69 comments on the RTE.ie story from Sep 18, 2013, titled Starbucks asks customers to leave guns at home. In it, RTE.ie reports that:

Starbucks has requested that customers leave their firearms at home, shifting company policy amid an increasingly fractious debate over US gun rights in the wake of multiple mass shootings.

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Tray

Nettleton, MS

#45 Sep 20, 2013
The most detailed data are

those compiled by the Dade County (Miami) police.

The police kept track of every known incident involving the county's

more than 21,000 handgun carry permitees over a six-year period. In

that six-year period, there was one known incident of a crime victim

having his gun taken away by the criminal. There were no known

incidents of a crime victim injuring an innocent person by mistake. In

some cases the handgun permit holder was successful in preventing a

crime, and in some cases not, but in no case was any innocent person

injured as a result of mistake by a permit-holder.
Youre

Nettleton, MS

#46 Sep 20, 2013
Yes wrote:
<quoted text>
you are paranoid and nuts. Is your world defined by video games?
a loser, always have been, always will be.
Tray

Nettleton, MS

#47 Sep 20, 2013
Armed Citizens Make Fewer Mistakes Than Police. Police shoot innocent people over 500% more often than armed civilians do. Civilians are there when the crime or altercation began & know who the bad guy is. Police have no clue when they finally arrive on scene & end up shooting the wrong person. Police often live on the edge, they naturally tend to shoot first and ask questions later. The Supreme Court has ruled consistently that the police are not required to protect you.

"Don't think that just because the police are trained in the use of firearms that they are less likely to kill an innocent person. A University of Chicago Study revealed that in 1993 approximately 700,000 police killed 330 innocent individuals, while approximately 250,000,000 private citizens only killed 30 innocent people. Do the math. That's a per capita rate for the police, of almost 4000 times higher than the population in general. OK, that is a little misleading. Let's just include the 80,000,000 gun owning citizens. Now the police are down to only a 1200 times higher accidental shooting rate than the gun-owning population in general.

That still sounds high. So let's look at it in a different light. According to a study by Newsweek magazine, only 2% of civilian shootings involve an innocent person being shot (not killed). The error rate for police is 11%. What this means is that you are more than 5 times more likely to be accidentally shot by a policeman than by an armed citizen. But, when you consider that citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as do police every year, it means that, per capita, you are more than 11 times more likely to be accidentally shot by a policeman than by an armed citizen.
Tray

Nettleton, MS

#48 Sep 20, 2013
Tray

Nettleton, MS

#49 Sep 20, 2013
A 64-year-old retired US veteran was targeted and threatened by a police officer for legally carrying his handgun. The incident happened in a park in Bellingham, Washington.

The vet, John Laigaie, is a gun owner and Second Amendment supporter. On December 19, 2011 he was carrying his 9 mm handgun in the local park as he walked his dog. The gun was exposed, but this is legal in Washington.

Laigaie, an avid gun enthusiast, knows his rights.

That is why the vet fought back when an officer approached and challenged him.

The officer aggressively told Laigaie that it is illegal to carry a gun in public. The vet politely corrected him, but the policeman refused to listen.
As reported by KiroTV,“Laigaie knew that Washington is an ‘open carry’ state where it is allowed. He even offered the officer, Allen Bass, a copy of that law when Bass asked for his identification. When Laigaie refused to hand over his ID, he said the officer pulled out his own weapon and pointed it at him.”

The officer allegedly pointed the gun at Laigaie’s chest from a mere three feet away.
Finally, two other officers came on the scene and told Bass that it is indeed legal to open carry in Washington.

After the incident, Laigaie filed a civil rights complaint.

Now Bellingham has agreed to pay Laigaie $15,000 for violating his rights.

As a result of this situation, all police officers in Bellingham will be thoroughly trained in gun rights specific to Washington.

Another example of police training and yet they don't even know the laws they are paid to enforce.
Tray

Nettleton, MS

#50 Sep 20, 2013
A quote from a long time police officer over shooting an innocent person.

"Don't we all make bad calls sometimes?"
Tray

Nettleton, MS

#51 Sep 20, 2013
Another quote from a long time cop over making false arrests.

"Officers are trained as officers, not as lawyers."
Tray

Nettleton, MS

#52 Sep 20, 2013
SECTION 8 IRREVOCABLE PRIVILEGE, FRANCHISE OR IMMUNITY PROHIBITED. No law granting irrevocably any privilege, franchise or immunity, shall be passed by the legislature.

SECTION 12 SPECIAL PRIVILEGES AND IMMUNITIES PROHIBITED. No
law shall be passed granting to any citizen, class of citizens, or
corporation other than municipal, privileges or immunities which upon
the same terms shall not equally belong to all citizens, or
corporations.

In other words,COPS ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#53 Sep 20, 2013
Leave your money at home, hit them in the pocketbook.
What

Huntsville, AL

#54 Sep 20, 2013
Tray wrote:
Armed Citizens Make Fewer Mistakes Than Police. Police shoot innocent people over 500% more often than armed civilians do.
an inane assertion. The average cop encounters more dangerous people (often armed crazies)in a day than most people do in a lifetime and the public expects more of them.
Small

Huntsville, AL

#55 Sep 20, 2013
Ralph wrote:
Leave your money at home, hit them in the pocketbook.
price for them to pay for their customers to be free from an atmosphere where there are gun toting goobers. Win win for them and people who just want to enjoy their coffee.
Tray

Nettleton, MS

#56 Sep 20, 2013
What wrote:
<quoted text>
an inane assertion. The average cop encounters more dangerous people (often armed crazies)in a day than most people do in a lifetime and the public expects more of them.
Sorry but it is fact and is backed up by real numbers from numerous sources. If you don't like it then provide opposing proof. Sorry but it is the average person "attacked" by dangerous people than cops. The cops are called AFTER the average persons encounter with the dangerous person. Cops are rarely mugged, rapped, robbed, or car jacked ect. ect. They carry guns to deter criminal action against them. Armed crazies tend to AVOID cops and go for easy targets like UNARMED victims (the average person). Just what is this "more" that I should expect from a cop? Should I expect them to provide for my personal safety? Sorry but again the courts have ruled they don't do that.
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#57 Sep 20, 2013
Small wrote:
<quoted text>
price for them to pay for their customers to be free from an atmosphere where there are gun toting goobers. Win win for them and people who just want to enjoy their coffee.
The advantage to concealed carry is that you do not even know a weapon is present. Keep enjoyin that coffee!
Tray

Nettleton, MS

#58 Sep 20, 2013
Small wrote:
<quoted text>
price for them to pay for their customers to be free from an atmosphere where there are gun toting goobers. Win win for them and people who just want to enjoy their coffee.
Just how are they protecting their customers from criminals with guns? A sign? Is it your claim a criminal will not bring a gun into a store if there is a sign?

get

Huntsville, AL

#59 Sep 20, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Just how are they protecting their customers from criminals with guns? A sign? Is it your claim a criminal will not bring a gun into a store if there is a sign?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =S7pGt_O1uM8XX
it right. What happened was goobers were coming in showing guns and making a scene and holding appreciation days because they didn't have an explicit policy banning guns. That dickish behavior naturally was offensive to normal people so they clarified that they preferred that people didn't bring in guns. They will still serve you, not confront you and you can still do what you need to allay your fears .

Again your questions reveal paranoid delusions that do not possess most people nor are part of everyday reality.

Rambeaux

Coatesville, PA

#60 Sep 20, 2013
Yes wrote:
<quoted text>
you are paranoid and nuts. Is your world defined by video games?
If you think would-be armed robbers would not be aware of Starbuck's no gun policy, then you are not dealing with reality.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#61 Sep 21, 2013
get wrote:
<quoted text>
it right. What happened was goobers were coming in showing guns and making a scene and holding appreciation days because they didn't have an explicit policy banning guns. That dickish behavior naturally was offensive to normal people so they clarified that they preferred that people didn't bring in guns. They will still serve you, not confront you and you can still do what you need to allay your fears .
Again your questions reveal paranoid delusions that do not possess most people nor are part of everyday reality.
LIAR. It was anti rights nuts like you making a scene over something YOU don't like that cause a reversal in policy. A small piece of metal made you pee your pants so you cried about it. Of course Starbucks caters to the spoiled "I can't do anything myself crowd" like you that can't even fix your own cup of coffee much less defend yourself.
CTM

New Milford, CT

#62 Sep 21, 2013
Tray wrote:
SECTION 8 IRREVOCABLE PRIVILEGE, FRANCHISE OR IMMUNITY PROHIBITED. No law granting irrevocably any privilege, franchise or immunity, shall be passed by the legislature.
SECTION 12 SPECIAL PRIVILEGES AND IMMUNITIES PROHIBITED. No
law shall be passed granting to any citizen, class of citizens, or
corporation other than municipal, privileges or immunities which upon
the same terms shall not equally belong to all citizens, or
corporations.
In other words,COPS ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.
..........No, they are not. Yet try to find a lawyer to take on the case where a corrupt officer or better yet Cheif has harrassed you. Then try to find an honest judge in Ct. Here the very system that is supposed to protect us and ferret out corruption and crime IS the source of corruption and crime. When Blumenthal was Atty. Gen. here he set up a lot of corrupt state networks, road contracts, garbage, illegal toxic dumping, for 20 years. He even gave his ex law partner, Golub, 1/4 billion $$ in no bid contracts and nobody said boo.
Get Out

Jacksonville, NC

#63 Sep 21, 2013
Starbucks requests customers to leave their guns at home. Considered it for an attosecond, Request denied!

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#64 Sep 21, 2013
What wrote:
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an inane assertion. The average cop encounters more dangerous people (often armed crazies)in a day than most people do in a lifetime and the public expects more of them.
In my town, the threat to my safety comes from the police thugs, not the regular thugs.

I want the cops defunded. I can handle the regular thugs, but not the Govt thugs. If I shoot one of them, they'll send several hundred more to get me, my wife and my son. They'll ransack my house, seize my guns, money, and computers. They may even burn my house to the ground. They'll torture my wife and kid and then leave them in jail until they admit they knew I was a cop hater.

No thanks, commie; I'll take my chances with the regular thugs. You're so stupid, you think the cop thugs won't hurt you or your family. LOL !

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