Mexican president to US: You know, you guys should really review your gun laws

Jul 22, 2012 Full story: Free Republic 859

Coming from the president of a country that's seen at least 55,000 drug-and-gang-related deaths during his tenure, the blithe audacity is enough to make your head spin.

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Tray

Tupelo, MS

#725 Aug 2, 2012
Jesus_H_Christ wrote:
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No, gun bans add time and keep the offenders off the street longer.
If we had it your way, gun offenders would be probation.
Do you have ANY proof of bans keeping offenders off the street? Please quote the low crime in New York, Chicago, and D.C.
Get Out

Jacksonville, NC

#726 Aug 2, 2012
Jesus_H_Christ wrote:
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That's abusrd reasoning as I've pointed out over and over. If guns don't kill people, then neither do rocket launchers. Why not make them legal? Why not armor piercing rounds, too?
There has always been gun control, that's why you can't have everything that the military has.
Because you don’t understand the difference between small arms (Guns) and explosives (Rocket Launcher Ordinance)“Why not make them legal?” AP rifle rounds are legal to own and shoot. You probably think Teflon coated bullets are AP rounds.

If you are NOT a (FFL) licensee under the Gun Control Act (an individual):
It is: ok to OWN AP ammo
ok to SELL AP ammo
ok to BUY AP ammo
ok to SHOOT AP ammo
NOT ok to MAKE AP ammo (18 USC sec. 922(a)(7))
NOT ok to IMPORT AP ammo (18 USC sec. 922(a)(7))
The definition of AP ammo is at 18 USC sec. 921(a)(17):
"(B) The term `armor piercing ammunition' means-

(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and
which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other
substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass,
bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and
intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25
percent of the total weight of the projectile.
4) CONSTRUCTION - The bullet must either have a core made ENTIRELY out
of one or more of the listed metals, or be a full jacketed type bullet
with a jacket comprising more that 25% of its weight.

5) Hardness of the bullet is irrelevant.

6) Ability to actually penetrate any kind of soft body armor is irrelevant.

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#727 Aug 2, 2012
Russia1513 wrote:
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"put a bullet in it."
There can't be a bullet in it UNLESS -SOMEBODY- PUT IT THERE.
NOW do you understand?
The BULLETS WERE PUT THERE BY PEOPLE!
LMAO! THEY can't get that through their thick heads......

Since: Nov 09

Newnan, GA

#728 Aug 2, 2012
Jesus_H_Christ wrote:
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You debate like a four year-old. Does someone need to explain to you the difference between cars and guns?
The guns that you help get into the hands of kids are used in shootings over and over.
Besides, there is no one lobbying to make it easier for people to wreck their cars.
Does someone need to explain to you the difference between guns and cars? Are you saying kids don't steal cars and cause accidents that kill innocent people? I could walk inot a chevy dealer and drive out with a corvette Z6 that has a 618 HP engine and does 194 MPH. So where is the "who needs" crowd and left wing demobastard politicians outrage on that. In a nation where the speed limit is 70MPH "who needs" a car that does 194MPH. In 2011 there were 10,530 deaths on the roads attributed to speeding. How many people were killed by that 100 round magazine?Now add the Dodge Charger,Ford Mustang,Chevy Camaro to the mix.And lets not forget about the Kawasaki Ninjas that can do 140MPH. Once again no outrage or "who needs" comments from the left.Typical hypocrites

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#729 Aug 2, 2012
ga_patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Does someone need to explain to you the difference between guns and cars? Are you saying kids don't steal cars and cause accidents that kill innocent people? I could walk inot a chevy dealer and drive out with a corvette Z6 that has a 618 HP engine and does 194 MPH. So where is the "who needs" crowd and left wing demobastard politicians outrage on that. In a nation where the speed limit is 70MPH "who needs" a car that does 194MPH. In 2011 there were 10,530 deaths on the roads attributed to speeding. How many people were killed by that 100 round magazine?Now add the Dodge Charger,Ford Mustang,Chevy Camaro to the mix.And lets not forget about the Kawasaki Ninjas that can do 140MPH. Once again no outrage or "who needs" comments from the left.Typical hypocrites
Some of the big motor Ninjas can do a LOT faster than 140mph.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#730 Aug 2, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
"They are designed to fire a bullet from a casing..." well, unless you are firing a muzzleloader.
A muzzleloader, or an old time Vulcanic which fired a caseless bullet.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#731 Aug 2, 2012
ga_patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Does someone need to explain to you the difference between guns and cars? Are you saying kids don't steal cars and cause accidents that kill innocent people? I could walk inot a chevy dealer and drive out with a corvette Z6 that has a 618 HP engine and does 194 MPH. So where is the "who needs" crowd and left wing demobastard politicians outrage on that. In a nation where the speed limit is 70MPH "who needs" a car that does 194MPH. In 2011 there were 10,530 deaths on the roads attributed to speeding. How many people were killed by that 100 round magazine?Now add the Dodge Charger,Ford Mustang,Chevy Camaro to the mix.And lets not forget about the Kawasaki Ninjas that can do 140MPH. Once again no outrage or "who needs" comments from the left.Typical hypocrites
Kawasaki Ninja? Trash
Yamaha VMAX, 200+ mph. Had one of those bikes, scared the beejebus outta me. I'm quite comfortable with my Vic Kingpin cruiser these days. LOL

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#736 Aug 2, 2012
Jesus_H_Christ wrote:
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For starters, guns kill more people than cars in several places:
From 2009:
"Alaska: 104 gun deaths, 84 motor vehicle deaths
Arizona: 856 gun deaths, 809 motor vehicle deaths
Colorado: 583 gun deaths, 565 motor vehicle deaths
Indiana: 735 gun deaths, 715 motor vehicle deaths
Michigan: 1,095 gun deaths, 977 motor vehicle deaths
Nevada: 406 gun deaths, 255 motor vehicle deaths
Oregon: 417 gun deaths, 394 motor vehicle deaths
Utah: 260 gun deaths, 256 motor vehicle deaths
Virginia: 836 gun deaths, 827 motor vehicle deaths
Washington: 623 gun deaths, 580 motor vehicle deaths"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/...
You gun nuts can't handle facts.
Apples and oranges.
You need to be real careful about using the word "facts" when referencing the HP.

For a more accurate comparison, how many of those listed above, from each side, were from HOMICIDES??

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#739 Aug 2, 2012
Jesus_H_Christ wrote:
<quoted text>For starters, guns kill more people than cars in several places:

From 2009:

"Alaska: 104 gun deaths, 84 motor vehicle deaths
Arizona: 856 gun deaths, 809 motor vehicle deaths
Colorado: 583 gun deaths, 565 motor vehicle deaths
Indiana: 735 gun deaths, 715 motor vehicle deaths
Michigan: 1,095 gun deaths, 977 motor vehicle deaths
Nevada: 406 gun deaths, 255 motor vehicle deaths
Oregon: 417 gun deaths, 394 motor vehicle deaths
Utah: 260 gun deaths, 256 motor vehicle deaths
Virginia: 836 gun deaths, 827 motor vehicle deaths
Washington: 623 gun deaths, 580 motor vehicle deaths"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/...

You gun nuts can't handle facts.
Yep in 10 out of 50 States. Now, in those 10 States, remove the suicides in the ones that get colder than a witch's tit in the winter, and then look at the strictness of gun laws in the remainder.
You can also remove the suicides in Nevada because of the people that lost everything gambling.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#740 Aug 2, 2012
Jesus_H_Christ wrote:
<quoted text>Tell that to the police across the nation. They're on my side, not yours.

There might be a few on your side, but not the brass or the unions, or any organizations with any power.

"Each of the following law enforcement organizations gave strong support to the Brady bill: The Fraternal Order of Police, the National Association of Police Organizations, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers, the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, and the Police Executive Research forum"

http://rush_awards.tripod.com/ truthaboutguns.html
Yes the cops actually on the street working do not want gun control. It's the brass and unions just like you say. I wonder why that is?

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#741 Aug 2, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes the cops actually on the street working do not want gun control. It's the brass and unions just like you say. I wonder why that is?
Because they go from being a cop to a political bureaucrat.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#744 Aug 2, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
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You can dissect this issue all you want and it doesn't change the fact that those were in fact gun related deaths.
So.

I can compare death by the electric chair to death by natural causes, too. People are dead in both, but it doesn't mean it is a fair comparison.

I will ask it again...how many of those motor vehicle deaths were ruled HOMICIDES as compared to the HOMICIDES where a gun was used??

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#746 Aug 2, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>Because they go from being a cop to a political bureaucrat.
Exactly!

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#747 Aug 2, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you may have missed the point here. When tallying up what kills Americans more, guns kill more than cars but kill less than the electric chair.
As for homicides, I'm pretty confident that guns hold the record vs motor vehicle deaths that were ruled HOMICIDES.
Maybe we need some per capita numbers on this issue but I'm not going to search for them.
No...YOU missed the point here. Comparing automobile deaths to gun deaths is BULLSHIT unless you put them in the same CONTEXT. You are just throwing out numbers that AREN'T RELATED and calling it a valid comparison. YOU ARE DONE HERE.
Get Out

Jacksonville, NC

#748 Aug 2, 2012
Jesus_H_Christ wrote:
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Tell that to the police across the nation. They're on my side, not yours.
There might be a few on your side, but not the brass or the unions, or any organizations with any power.
"Each of the following law enforcement organizations gave strong support to the Brady bill: The Fraternal Order of Police, the National Association of Police Organizations, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers, the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, and the Police Executive Research forum"
http://rush_awards.tripod.com/ truthaboutguns.html
Well you just keep crying about our ammo. I need to order 400 rounds of M2 ball ammunition for my M1 Garand. BTW it attracts a magnet which highly indicates a steel core. Do you believe the hype that bullet proof vests are really bullet proof?
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#749 Aug 2, 2012
Jesus_H_Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
For starters, guns kill more people than cars in several places:
From 2009:
"Alaska: 104 gun deaths, 84 motor vehicle deaths
Arizona: 856 gun deaths, 809 motor vehicle deaths
Colorado: 583 gun deaths, 565 motor vehicle deaths
Indiana: 735 gun deaths, 715 motor vehicle deaths
Michigan: 1,095 gun deaths, 977 motor vehicle deaths
Nevada: 406 gun deaths, 255 motor vehicle deaths
Oregon: 417 gun deaths, 394 motor vehicle deaths
Utah: 260 gun deaths, 256 motor vehicle deaths
Virginia: 836 gun deaths, 827 motor vehicle deaths
Washington: 623 gun deaths, 580 motor vehicle deaths"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/...
You gun nuts can't handle facts.
10 out of 50 wow the odds are against cars but I don't see you wanting them BANNED. Where is that listing for Japan and the UK you are always bragging about? Are they wanting to save lives and ban those mass murdering vehicales?
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#750 Aug 2, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
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You can dissect this issue all you want and it doesn't change the fact that those were in fact gun related deaths.
Yes and many of them deserved a bullet. Criminals who attack armed victims need all the lead I can give them. I am a firm believer in preventing repeat offender syndrome. Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting twice, double tap, the police do it the military does it and I do it.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#751 Aug 2, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you may have missed the point here. When tallying up what kills Americans more, guns kill more than cars but kill less than the electric chair.
As for homicides, I'm pretty confident that guns hold the record vs motor vehicle deaths that were ruled HOMICIDES.
Maybe we need some per capita numbers on this issue but I'm not going to search for them.
Homicide does not equal murder you know that right? In fact smoking and other health related problems such as fatty foods kill many more Americans and is not limited to the US. PUT DOWN THAT MASS KILLING BURGER WITH FRIES.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#752 Aug 2, 2012
Gun Control on Americans wrote:
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Way to go on showing that domestic terrorist mentality. I pray to GOD that the UN takes your guns. You by far are a terrorist threat to the people of the USA.
the UN ain't doing nothing, in fact they didn't even sign the damn arms trade treaty, LOL.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#756 Aug 2, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
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Who cares if it was a homicide or not, the fact remains that when it comes to what kills Americans more, guns kill more than automobiles.
Since the US incarcerates more people than any other nation, maybe it's a sign that some that didn't get incarcerted were in need of killing anyway?

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