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One-third of Americans believe armed revolution imperative

There are 482 comments on the Examiner.com story from May 12, 2013, titled One-third of Americans believe armed revolution imperative. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

With citizens concerned about new and stricter gun control legislation, a new poll found more than one-third of Americans believe an armed revolution might need to occur in the next few years to prevent an escalating war against constitutional liberties.

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spocko

Oakland, CA

#235 May 20, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
"If, then, the arms-bearing right of the people is, as Blackstone says, an integral and inseparable part of their absolute rights as individuals, it follows that any and every constitution which assumes to protect life, liberty and property, necessarily insures the right of all the people to keep and bear arms, unless the contrary intention is clearly expressed, Hence the right is in nowise dependent upon the clause asserting that a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. The right exists whether the constitution contains that clause or not...."
"...But "these instruments," he says, "measure the power of the rulers; they do not measure the rights of the governed:" Cooley's Constitutional Limitations 37. "Neither military nor civil law," says the same high authority, "can take from the citizen the right to bear arms for the common defence. This is an inherited and traditionary right, guaranteed, also, by state and federal constitutions...."
"....... For all these repugnances of our statute to the acts of congress, I must pronounce the former unauthorized legislation in all its parts. Let the relator be discharged."
- Judge William Henry Barnum,[People, Ex. Rel. Bielfeld, v. Affelt. Illinois--Cook County Circuit Court. 1879.]
http://gunshowonthenet.blogspot.com/2013/05/t...
A powerful lobby provides a consistent noise into the ears of our citizenry that these gun purchases are constitutional rights protected by the Second Amendment .... Our decisions belie that argument, for the Second Amendment was designed for no other purpose than to keep alive the militia.
Justice William O. Douglas

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#236 May 20, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
A powerful lobby provides a consistent noise into the ears of our citizenry that these gun purchases are constitutional rights protected by the Second Amendment .... Our decisions belie that argument, for the Second Amendment was designed for no other purpose than to keep alive the militia.
Justice William O. Douglas
"Blackstone says: "The principle aim of society is to protect individuals in the enjoyment of those absolute rights which were vested in them by the immutable laws of nature." That those absolute rights are the right of personal security, the right of personal liberty, and the right of private property; that these are "usually summed up in one general appellation, and denominated the natural liberty of mankind," liberty "more generally talked of," he says, "than thoroughly understood." "auxiliary" and "subordinate" to these, he continues, are certain other rights, which serve principally as outworks, or barriers, to protect and maintain inviolate the three great and primary rights of personal security, personal liberty, and private property: 1 Blackstone Com. 141.

"Among these auxiliary rights and outworks of natural liberty, the distinguished commentator ranks, along with the "regular adminstration of justice" and the "right of petition," the co-equal "right of having and using arms for self-preservation and defence." The context leaves no doubt of the author's meaning, that the people's right to keep and use arms, was a barrier against the encroachments of rulers as well as others. For he says, referring to the absolute rights of personal security, personal liberty, and private property: "So long as these remain inviolate, the subject is perfectly free, for every species of compulsive tyranny and oppression must act in oppostion to one or other of these rights, having no other object on which it can possibly be employed." ..."

- Judge William Henry Barnum,[People, Ex. Rel. Bielfeld, v. Affelt. Illinois--Cook County Circuit Court. 1879.]
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spocko

Oakland, CA

#237 May 20, 2013
A powerful lobby provides a consistent noise into the ears of our citizenry that these gun purchases are constitutional rights protected by the Second Amendment .... Our decisions belie that argument, for the Second Amendment was designed for no other purpose than to keep alive the militia.
Justice William O. Douglas
Dutch Holland

Podgorica, Montenegro

#238 May 20, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
"Blackstone says: "The principle aim of society is to protect individuals in the enjoyment of those absolute rights which were vested in them by the immutable laws of nature." That those absolute rights are the right of personal security, the right of personal liberty, and the right of private property; that these are "usually summed up in one general appellation, and denominated the natural liberty of mankind," liberty "more generally talked of," he says, "than thoroughly understood." "auxiliary" and "subordinate" to these, he continues, are certain other rights, which serve principally as outworks, or barriers, to protect and maintain inviolate the three great and primary rights of personal security, personal liberty, and private property: 1 Blackstone Com. 141.
"Among these auxiliary rights and outworks of natural liberty, the distinguished commentator ranks, along with the "regular adminstration of justice" and the "right of petition," the co-equal "right of having and using arms for self-preservation and defence." The context leaves no doubt of the author's meaning, that the people's right to keep and use arms, was a barrier against the encroachments of rulers as well as others. For he says, referring to the absolute rights of personal security, personal liberty, and private property: "So long as these remain inviolate, the subject is perfectly free, for every species of compulsive tyranny and oppression must act in oppostion to one or other of these rights, having no other object on which it can possibly be employed." ..."
- Judge William Henry Barnum,[People, Ex. Rel. Bielfeld, v. Affelt. Illinois--Cook County Circuit Court. 1879.]
http://gunshowonthenet.blogspot.com/2013/05/t...
The only Right is Might.

Natural Right is Survival and not 'Nice Life'

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#239 May 20, 2013
spocko wrote:
A powerful lobby provides a consistent noise into the ears of our citizenry that these gun purchases are constitutional rights protected by the Second Amendment .... Our decisions belie that argument, for the Second Amendment was designed for no other purpose than to keep alive the militia.
Justice William O. Douglas
"...In addition to the original rights secured to him in the first article of amendments,[Fourteenth Amendment] he had secured the free exercise of his religious belief, and freedom of speech and the press. Then he had secured to him the right to keep and bear arms in his defense. Then, after that, his home was secured in time of peace from the presence of a soldier; and,still further, sir, his house, his papers, and his effects were protected against unreasonable seizure...."

"'Though originally the first ten Amendments were adopted as limitations on Federal power, yet in so far as they secure and recognize fundamental rights-common law rights-of the man, they make them privileges and immunities of the man as citizen of the United States, and cannot now be abridged by a State under the Fourteenth Amendment. In other words, while the ten Amendments, as limitations on power, only apply to the Federal government, and not to the States, yet in so far as they declare or recognize rights of persons, these rights are theirs, as citizens of the United States, and the Fourteenth Amendment as to such rights limits state power, as the ten Amendments had limited Federal power..."

- Adamson v. People Of State Of California, U.S. Supreme Court,(Justice Black, Douglas and Swayne in Dissent), June 23, 1947.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#240 May 20, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
"...In addition to the original rights secured to him in the first article of amendments,[Fourteenth Amendment] he had secured the free exercise of his religious belief, and freedom of speech and the press. Then he had secured to him the right to keep and bear arms in his defense. Then, after that, his home was secured in time of peace from the presence of a soldier; and,still further, sir, his house, his papers, and his effects were protected against unreasonable seizure...."
"'Though originally the first ten Amendments were adopted as limitations on Federal power, yet in so far as they secure and recognize fundamental rights-common law rights-of the man, they make them privileges and immunities of the man as citizen of the United States, and cannot now be abridged by a State under the Fourteenth Amendment. In other words, while the ten Amendments, as limitations on power, only apply to the Federal government, and not to the States, yet in so far as they declare or recognize rights of persons, these rights are theirs, as citizens of the United States, and the Fourteenth Amendment as to such rights limits state power, as the ten Amendments had limited Federal power..."
- Adamson v. People Of State Of California, U.S. Supreme Court,(Justice Black, Douglas and Swayne in Dissent), June 23, 1947.
You are actually a good thing to the gun debate by representing the gunloons, the people that misrepresent the causes and costs of false consciousness regarding the constitutional concept of the "right to bear arms." You make others aware of the deceit, misperception, and dereliction of responsibility that have characterized America's dysfunctional gun debate coming from the loons. The only problem is you are boring us to tears with your piss poor juice of copy & past crap from 200 years past!

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#242 May 20, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
You are actually a good thing to the gun debate by representing the gunloons, the people that misrepresent the causes and costs of false consciousness regarding the constitutional concept of the "right to bear arms." You make others aware of the deceit, misperception, and dereliction of responsibility that have characterized America's dysfunctional gun debate coming from the loons. The only problem is you are boring us to tears with your piss poor juice of copy & past crap from 200 years past!
"THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS

"There is an important distinction between firearms and fireworks. Some general knowledge of firearms is important to the public welfare; because it would be impossible, in case of war to organize promptly an efficient force of volunteers unless the people had some familiarity with weapons of war. The Constitution secures the right of the people to keep and bear arms. No doubt, a citizen who keeps a gun or pistol under judicious precautions practises in safe places the use of it, and in due time teaches his sons to do the same, exercises his individual right. No doubt a person whose residence or duties involve peculiar peril may keep a pistol for prudent self-defence...."

"...As to guns and pistols, then the citizen who practises with them is in the exercise of a constitutional right; and to mulct him for any unfortunate consequences, proof is needed that he was careless. He must exercise due care to avoid doing mischief. Sic utere tuo ut alienum non loedas--use your gun so as not to hurt another man--is a time honored maxim."

- Benjamin Vaughan Abbott, Judge and Jury: A Popular Explanation of Leading Topics in the Law of the Land. NEW YORK HARPER & BROTHERS, FRANKLIN SQUARE [1880](Mr. Abbott graduated from New York University in 1850, and Harvard Law School in 1851. He was the secretary of the New York Code Commission, which drew up the state's penal code in 1864. He also served on a commission created to revise the statutes of the United States from 1870-1872).

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#243 May 21, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
A powerful lobby provides a consistent noise into the ears of our citizenry that these gun purchases are constitutional rights protected by the Second Amendment .... Our decisions belie that argument, for the Second Amendment was designed for no other purpose than to keep alive the militia.
Justice William O. Douglas
If that were true, then why doesn't the 2nd-A say "...the right of the MILITIA to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."?

A "well-regulated militia" was merely a reason for the PEOPLE to always stay armed. It was NOT a qualifier.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#244 May 21, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
"If, then, the arms-bearing right of the people is, as Blackstone says, an integral and inseparable part of their absolute rights as individuals, it follows that any and every constitution which assumes to protect life, liberty and property, necessarily insures the right of all the people to keep and bear arms, unless the contrary intention is clearly expressed, Hence the right is in nowise dependent upon the clause asserting that a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. The right exists whether the constitution contains that clause or not...."
"...But "these instruments," he says, "measure the power of the rulers; they do not measure the rights of the governed:" Cooley's Constitutional Limitations 37. "Neither military nor civil law," says the same high authority, "can take from the citizen the right to bear arms for the common defence. This is an inherited and traditionary right, guaranteed, also, by state and federal constitutions...."
"....... For all these repugnances of our statute to the acts of congress, I must pronounce the former unauthorized legislation in all its parts. Let the relator be discharged."
- Judge William Henry Barnum,[People, Ex. Rel. Bielfeld, v. Affelt. Illinois--Cook County Circuit Court. 1879.]
http://gunshowonthenet.blogspot.com/2013/05/t...
it's nice that you can find quotes you don;t understand on your gun freak sites..

can you find one that disprovesw what I said, or one that shows you aren't such a fool that doesn't even know the basics about his own nation? that would be something...
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#245 May 21, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it's nice that you can find quotes you don;t understand on your gun freak sites..
can you find one that disprovesw what I said, or one that shows you aren't such a fool that doesn't even know the basics about his own nation? that would be something...
The real guns are what is shot out of the dicks into the twats of irresponsible men and women that start as young teenagers to way past maturity. Then the suckers who are responsible are cajoled to pay and pay and pay for it. Excuse are made like abortions and free condoms and anything else when reality is ther are no responsible actions by animals. We are now to the point a whole nation is now on life support. All of the civil rights will stand or fall on foundation built up when the currency collapses and the GNP is cut in half...

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#246 May 21, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>As long as sub-humans like you do not.
So, you're a Jew?

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#247 May 21, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it's nice that you can find quotes you don;t understand on your gun freak sites..
can you find one that disprovesw what I said, or one that shows you aren't such a fool that doesn't even know the basics about his own nation? that would be something...
Since =>YOU<= are the one making the accusations, why don't =>YOU<= provide your own proof?

GOT PROOF?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#248 May 21, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> The real guns are what is shot out of the dicks into the twats of irresponsible men and women that start as young teenagers to way past maturity. Then the suckers who are responsible are cajoled to pay and pay and pay for it. Excuse are made like abortions and free condoms and anything else when reality is ther are no responsible actions by animals. We are now to the point a whole nation is now on life support. All of the civil rights will stand or fall on foundation built up when the currency collapses and the GNP is cut in half...
sometimes the morning coffee really messes with your meds, huh?
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#250 May 21, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>sometimes the morning coffee really messes with your meds, huh?
Nahhh, I am just telling you the reality. As soon as I get paid, I won't right on these boards anymore. So shove your progressive Alinsky crap up your azz. Pay us the ones who got screwed over the last several years and we will forgive and agree. The private pensions are next on the list. How do you not have a full fledged world war with nukes i don't know? But something must happen.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#251 May 21, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Nahhh, I am just telling you the reality. As soon as I get paid, I won't right on these boards anymore. So shove your progressive Alinsky crap up your azz. Pay us the ones who got screwed over the last several years and we will forgive and agree. The private pensions are next on the list. How do you not have a full fledged world war with nukes i don't know? But something must happen.
ummm..i'm sorry...what exactly is it you think you should be paid for? being an absolute failure and loser in the game of life?

why should you get paid for your utter and complete inability to make even the barest of living for yourself?

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#252 May 21, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>sometimes the morning coffee really messes with your meds, huh?
Yet ~more~ personal revelations about yourself?
pen

El Dorado Springs, MO

#254 May 21, 2013
revolution will not work. the feds run the revolution to destroy their enemy. alex jones is a fed.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#255 May 21, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>ummm..i'm sorry...what exactly is it you think you should be paid for? being an absolute failure and loser in the game of life?
why should you get paid for your utter and complete inability to make even the barest of living for yourself?
Actually I am a winner in life. But a loser in evil government policies. I live to see us continue the police state course. watching men and women beg for their lives is going to be a pleasure knowing the likes of you. I do however keep writing that we all join together in a peaceful way to stop this. Watching the mostly nuclear families in the Boston area walking out of their homes while the nazi gestapos kicked them out looking for one person was beautiful. I laughed so hard it was not funny. and it was not funny. Every freaking week or so more things ov evil show themselves by our government and winners like you let it go. Losers come and go. It is who gets the blame when the bottom comes closer. Losers become winners as no amount of money will save the ones who get blamed. Look waht you achieved already. i will watch your family members die horribly. And this is just the even stage that is in its early stages asyour revenge stage is in its late stages. After both of those stages are done or near done, the real vengeance stage starts. You can read about it in the history books. People will survive by selling out their own which is the complete opposite of today. Ask the dead in history. Again, it is easy to condemn the one who warns. And why not? There are so many people saying so many things and much of that is designed. Pay me 200 thousand plus 7% interest each year added for the last five years or so and I will forget this insult. Do the same for terns of millions of others at varying prices and we will have utopia...yayyyyyyyyyyy! Everything is beautifullll...bwahaaaa

Since: Mar 11

Columbus Ohio

#256 May 21, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
"If, then, the arms-bearing right of the people is, as Blackstone says, an integral and inseparable part of their absolute rights as individuals, it follows that any and every constitution which assumes to protect life, liberty and property, necessarily insures the right of all the people to keep and bear arms, unless the contrary intention is clearly expressed, Hence the right is in nowise dependent upon the clause asserting that a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. The right exists whether the constitution contains that clause or not...."
"...But "these instruments," he says, "measure the power of the rulers; they do not measure the rights of the governed:" Cooley's Constitutional Limitations 37. "Neither military nor civil law," says the same high authority, "can take from the citizen the right to bear arms for the common defence. This is an inherited and traditionary right, guaranteed, also, by state and federal constitutions...."
"....... For all these repugnances of our statute to the acts of congress, I must pronounce the former unauthorized legislation in all its parts. Let the relator be discharged."
- Judge William Henry Barnum,[People, Ex. Rel. Bielfeld, v. Affelt. Illinois--Cook County Circuit Court. 1879.]
http://gunshowonthenet.blogspot.com/2013/05/t...
The right to keep an armed militia against tyranny is a very slippery slope . That's why we leave the protection of the country in the hands of the military. Tyranny could be different things to different people. Some believe conpulsory paying of taxes is tyrannical some feel that compulsory military service would tyrannical,traffic laws,seat belt laws the list goes on.The gun fanatics believe anyone who disagrees with them is the enemy.The tea party radicals believe anyone who disagrees with their agenda
is the enemy. Would these individuals hesitate to take armed action against other citizens who ideologically disagree with them-I believe they would not hesitate to do so. These people are dangerous. Couple that with the unlimited access to all types of weapons and guns we have a volatile situation in this country.

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#257 May 21, 2013
iamcuriousnow wrote:
<quoted text>
The right to keep an armed militia against tyranny is a very slippery slope . That's why we leave the protection of the country in the hands of the military. Tyranny could be different things to different people. Some believe conpulsory paying of taxes is tyrannical some feel that compulsory military service would tyrannical,traffic laws,seat belt laws the list goes on.The gun fanatics believe anyone who disagrees with them is the enemy.The tea party radicals believe anyone who disagrees with their agenda
is the enemy. Would these individuals hesitate to take armed action against other citizens who ideologically disagree with them-I believe they would not hesitate to do so. These people are dangerous. Couple that with the unlimited access to all types of weapons and guns we have a volatile situation in this country.
"The right to keep an armed militia against tyranny is a very slippery slope . That's why we leave the protection of the country in the hands of the military."

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!!!!!!!!

WRONG ANSWER!!!!!

"A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people."

James Madison, author of the U.S. Constitution, and fourth President of the United States.

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