Colorado Shooting Rekindles Gun Contr...

Colorado Shooting Rekindles Gun Control Debate

There are 5105 comments on the Roll Call story from Jul 22, 2012, titled Colorado Shooting Rekindles Gun Control Debate. In it, Roll Call reports that:

Sen. Dianne Feinstein called for increased gun control in the wake of last week's Colorado shooting, saying it may have helped prevent the tragic incident.

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Dr Freud

Germany

#3417 Sep 17, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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I feel the same way about a hunting or fishing license. If I had a desire to conceal carry, I would probable feel as you do about that.
Both hunting and fishing licenses are needed to control the cull of species for which a license is required. Without licensing, it would very likely happen that some species would be hunted/fished into extinction.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#3418 Sep 17, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
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Your whole statement above is swimming with falsehoods. But that's really all you have, isn't it?
"Jefferson inherited slaves from both his father and father-in-law. In a typical year, he owned about 200, almost half of them under the age of sixteen. About eighty of these lived at Monticello; the others lived on adjacent Albemarle County plantations, and on his Poplar Forest estate in Bedford County, Virginia. Jefferson freed two slaves in his lifetime and five in his will and chose not to pursue two others who ran away. All were members of the Hemings family; the seven he eventually freed were skilled tradesmen."
Falsehoods?
You are a liar, Dr. FRAUD.

I said that Jefferson owned hundreds of slaves. I said that he bought slaves and that he sold slaves. I said he whipped slaves when they ran away and sold them and broke up their families.

And as a response, you get this propaganda piece from the Monticello tourist trap that bears his name.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

AND EVEN FROM THIS PROPAGANDA: those of us who can read find that he had over two hundred slaves and in his entire life Jefferson gave the sum total of TWO slaves their freedom.

AND Jefferson lived a VERY LONG TIME, eh, FRAUD.

(bought slaves)
"As Jefferson wrote in 1820 he had "scruples about selling negroes but for delinquency, or on their own request." Several known transactions were intended to unite families. The purchase of Ursula in 1773 involved buying her husband Great George from a second owner...."

Do you want to go down the list, FRAUD?

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#3419 Sep 17, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
Jefferson knew the wretched conditions under which they had lived,
Did he now? To be fair, Jefferson owned 200+ human beings so I guess he knew about the wretched conditions under which they lived, he kept them there.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#3420 Sep 17, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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Where did that number come from?
Look it up. It's rounded down.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#3421 Sep 17, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
A bullet can not go off.
Hard to hear with your fingers in your ears, eh?

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#3422 Sep 17, 2012
just another guy wrote:
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He is that way on every subject. Said a woman should have a right to choose. If she got pregnant by a rapist she should be able to get an abortion. I asked if she should have the right to choose to defend herself with a firearm so she might not get raped.
And I asked you if you thought you had the right to download kiddie porn.

Asked you ten times.

Funny how your selective memory kicks in.

Funny how you move away from the actual thread to tell this tale.

I can make a fool of you here as well, Spooge Stain, you don't get any smarter jumping to a new thread.

“Nobama care”

Since: Mar 11

just a tax hike

#3423 Sep 17, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Hard to hear with your fingers in your ears, eh?
Anti American bleeding heart liberal commie jerk

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#3424 Sep 17, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Somebody had an accident.
An Arizona man using a Walmart bathroom over the weekend gave shoppers the shock of their lives when his gun inadvertently discharged as he sat down to use the toilet.
Andrew Seals, 24, entered the store restroom around 1 p.m. on Sunday, KPHO reports. As pulled down his trousers, Seals' Ruger .357 caliber revolver fell out of it's holster, hit the ground and inadvertently fired.
"The bullet went through the stall door, hit a wall, ricocheted into a light on the ceiling, then struck the floor about 5 feet from another man who was standing at a urinal," according to The Republic.
Officers declined to arrest Seals, but say they will ask prosecutors to charge him with reckless endangerment.
Police were already at the store addressing a shoplifting incident when an employee notified them of the gunshot.
yep, you've posted that story already.
it doesn't change the fact that a gun with a bullet can not discharge.
If you are going to debate with people that know firearms and how they function, you need to educate yourself on the subject.

1. a misfire is when the gun fails to fire when the trigger is pulled. The word you've been looking for is discharge.

2. a bullet is a projectile, usually made of lead or copper and lead. It is a component of a cartridge. Other components of a cartridge include a case, powder (propellant), and a primer. So, the word you've been looking for here is cartridge.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3425 Sep 17, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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yep, you've posted that story already.
it doesn't change the fact that a gun with a bullet can not discharge.
If you are going to debate with people that know firearms and how they function, you need to educate yourself on the subject.
1. a misfire is when the gun fails to fire when the trigger is pulled. The word you've been looking for is discharge.
2. a bullet is a projectile, usually made of lead or copper and lead. It is a component of a cartridge. Other components of a cartridge include a case, powder (propellant), and a primer. So, the word you've been looking for here is cartridge.
There is also the story about the guy in the movie theater dropping his gun and having it shoot him in the buttocks.

So your contention is the guy in the restroom and the guy in the theater both pulled the trigger themselves........
Dr Freud

Germany

#3426 Sep 17, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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While I have had a pen destructively malfunction in my pocket, I have yet to see it in widespread use during robberies or the prevention thereof.
You assume that I agree with CCW laws because I said someone who carried in defiance of the law was a criminal. Don't.
I don't care what you carry or when, where or how you carry it. However, I am for 100% registration and 100% point of sale background checks to include person to person.
You've been asked before, but didn't reply: Where in the first amendment do you see the term 'registration?' Do you see that term mentioned in the second amendment?
If you wouldn't see fit to register any of the rights mentioned in the first, then who do you manage to equivocate over the second?
The good citizens of Vermont, Alaska, Arizona, and Wyoming are free from any licensure regarding registration or carriage. Their relative violent crime rates are decently low.
And by the way: Registration has NEVER solved any crime of violence involving guns. So why are trying to rationalize the irrational?
Dr Freud

Germany

#3427 Sep 17, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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They aren't.
I am not impressed by made up numbers, especially silly numbers that would have people believe someone with a gun stopped a crime every few minutes.
So, you're another neurotic who's also in denial? You would accuse a well known and respected criminologist of lying? Would you be willing to support that accusation in a court of law?

http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm

http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/kleckandgertz1....

http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/kleck2.html

http://rense.com/general76/univ.htm
Dr Freud

Germany

#3428 Sep 17, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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People who carry in defiance of concealed carry laws are criminals themselves. Most permit holders would mention it in conversation to other permit holders and family. It don't happen often.
In fact, you read more often about a little old lady beating up a thief than about a CCW person preventing a crime or capturing a criminal.
If you were perceptive enough to realize why that situation may happen more often than with a CCW carrier, then you'd know the reason why.
Are you ready? It's because violent criminals select their targets based upon their perception of their intended targets.
Just as wild predatory animals always seek out the weakest in a herd of prey, so do do the human predators. But human predators are basically cowards: They don't want to get hurt by their intended target and so avoid anyone they perceive of as likely to be able to render an effective defense.
So as it turns out, being armed equates to being less of a likely target, if one at all. Therefore, your argument there has been effectively dismantled and disposed of.
Dr Freud

Germany

#3431 Sep 17, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Falsehoods?
You are a liar, Dr. FRAUD.
I said that Jefferson owned hundreds of slaves. I said that he bought slaves and that he sold slaves. I said he whipped slaves when they ran away and sold them and broke up their families.
And as a response, you get this propaganda piece from the Monticello tourist trap that bears his name.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
AND EVEN FROM THIS PROPAGANDA: those of us who can read find that he had over two hundred slaves and in his entire life Jefferson gave the sum total of TWO slaves their freedom.
AND Jefferson lived a VERY LONG TIME, eh, FRAUD.
(bought slaves)
"As Jefferson wrote in 1820 he had "scruples about selling negroes but for delinquency, or on their own request." Several known transactions were intended to unite families. The purchase of Ursula in 1773 involved buying her husband Great George from a second owner...."
Do you want to go down the list, FRAUD?
You so totally misrepresent the facts as to completely discredit yourself. But there's nothing new there, is there?

""The abolition of domestic slavery is the great object of desire in those colonies where it was unhappily introduced in their infant state. But previous to the infranchisement of the slaves we have, it is necessary to exclude all further importations from Africa. Yet our repeated attempts to effect this by prohibitions, and by imposing duties which might amount to a prohibition, have been hitherto defeated by his majesty negative: thus preferring the immediate advantages of a few British corsairs to the lasting interests of the American states, and to the rights of human nature deeply wounded by this infamous practice. Nay the single interposition of an interested individual against a law was scarcely ever known to fail of success, tho' in the opposite scale were placed the interests of a whole country. That this is so shameful an abuse of a power trusted with his majesty for other purposes, as if not reformed would call for some legal restrictions."
Thomas Jefferson, July 1774
Dr Freud

Germany

#3432 Sep 17, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Did he now? To be fair, Jefferson owned 200+ human beings so I guess he knew about the wretched conditions under which they lived, he kept them there.
I've just shoved your thoroughly egregious remarks, brown tinged as they are, back to where you pulled them from.
Now to shove your other comments back up that same hellhole:

" (Notes on the State of Virginia). "In the very first session held under the republican government, the assembly passed a law for the perpetual prohibition of the importation of slaves. This will in some measure stop the increase of this great political and moral evil, while the minds of our citizens may be ripening for a complete emancipation of human nature."
Thomas Jefferson, 1781
Dr Freud

Germany

#3433 Sep 17, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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And I asked you if you thought you had the right to download kiddie porn.
Asked you ten times.
Funny how your selective memory kicks in.
Funny how you move away from the actual thread to tell this tale.
I can make a fool of you here as well, Spooge Stain, you don't get any smarter jumping to a new thread.
You've been asked multiple times as to whether you have the right to tell others how to live their lives, and to make decisions regarding them which goes against their will. You've not yet replied.
Funny how YOUR selective memory kicks in.
Funny how YOU have repeatedly made such an ass of yourself as to be the laughing stock of the forum.
You have managed to make a fool of yourself everywhere you show your ugly puss, your loud mouth, and your hideous and miserable persona.
NoBlamer 2012

Chilcoot, CA

#3434 Sep 17, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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While I have had a pen destructively malfunction in my pocket, I have yet to see it in widespread use during robberies or the prevention thereof.
You assume that I agree with CCW laws because I said someone who carried in defiance of the law was a criminal. Don't.
I don't care what you carry or when, where or how you carry it. However, I am for 100% registration and 100% point of sale background checks to include person to person.
you need to get a license to speak
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#3435 Sep 17, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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What year did Ruger start using this design you describe. That might offer a clue.
Long before this 24 year old was born. Ruger has defended this exact thing in court and won. Ruger has never had a forced recall on this so might could be just never panned out. After reviewing the Walmart thing, I find it odd they say the gun landed on the hammer which means the gun had to be pointed up for the hammer to hit the floor yet the bullet went thru the door and hit the wall several feet from the door and hit a wall. I would figure a gun pointed up would hit the ceiling not a door in front of you then go across the room and hit a wall. Doing rough math the gun could not be leaning more than 73 degrees and a ceiling 8 foot standard means the bullet could travel less than 4 feet horizontal before contacting the ceiling before the wall. Assuming no more than 3 feet from toilet to the door (very small) the wall could be no more than 1 foot from the door. How would you open a door that has only a 1 foot clearance. Even with these dimensions the bullet would hit the joint to the ceiling so no ricochet would be possible. I also find it hard to believe a .357 went through a wood door but bounced off sheet rock, then still had energy to turn go up bounce off a light fixture then travel back across the room to land almost where it started. A 25 degree angle "could" produce close to this story but that would mean the gun was more horizontal where impact with the hammer would not strike the firing pin but being held in the hand explains the scenario. Rough math says he was holding the gun for what ever reason when it fired.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3436 Sep 17, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
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You've been asked before, but didn't reply: Where in the first amendment do you see the term 'registration?' Do you see that term mentioned in the second amendment?
If you wouldn't see fit to register any of the rights mentioned in the first, then who do you manage to equivocate over the second?
The good citizens of Vermont, Alaska, Arizona, and Wyoming are free from any licensure regarding registration or carriage. Their relative violent crime rates are decently low.
And by the way: Registration has NEVER solved any crime of violence involving guns. So why are trying to rationalize the irrational?
"Registration" is right next to the part about a 10-year old not being able to carry a gun to school. I answer it about the same way every time.

And as soon as you start agreeing that 10-year olds have the Constitutional right to carry a loaded gun to school and should do so then I might agree that registration is unnecessary.

Until that time, your point is pointless. Your implication is because it is not in the Constutition it is not Constitutional, but that holds up for both of them doesn't it?

Show me in the Constution where the US government has any say in drug approval or dissaproval. Now explain what they are doing with laws against cocaine, PCP, heroin, Morphine, etc.....

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3437 Sep 17, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
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I've just shoved your thoroughly egregious remarks, brown tinged as they are, back to where you pulled them from.
Now to shove your other comments back up that same hellhole:
" (Notes on the State of Virginia). "In the very first session held under the republican government, the assembly passed a law for the perpetual prohibition of the importation of slaves. This will in some measure stop the increase of this great political and moral evil, while the minds of our citizens may be ripening for a complete emancipation of human nature."
Thomas Jefferson, 1781
And yet, he owned slaves practically his whole adult life. Probably no more than about 60 at any one time but over 200 during his lifetime.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3438 Sep 17, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
I've just shoved your thoroughly egregious remarks, brown tinged as they are, back to where you pulled them from.
Now to shove your other comments back up that same hellhole:
" (Notes on the State of Virginia). "In the very first session held under the republican government, the assembly passed a law for the perpetual prohibition of the importation of slaves. This will in some measure stop the increase of this great political and moral evil, while the minds of our citizens may be ripening for a complete emancipation of human nature."
Thomas Jefferson, 1781
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson...

http://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/25/smit...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57366036/...

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