“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#561 Nov 18, 2012
How do you do at C2 yesterday, Jason?

Me....no luck in the hunt. But a skunked day hunting with my son is better than my best day at work. A friend of mine had an 8-pointer right below his stand (it came in from behind his tree)but couldn't get a clean shot using his muzzleloader.

Oh well. Maybe next weekend.
bolbobaggins

Yuma, AZ

#562 Nov 18, 2012
The S&W .41 is one of the best. I bought one unfired, nickel plated in a pawn shop. Excellent gun and hard to find.
Have Seen It Before wrote:
<quoted text>In the mid 1960's my neighbor was a New York State Trooper and his duty weapon was a model 58 Smith & Wesson .41 Magnum with a 4" barrel & fixed sights. He was one of the Troopers chosen to try the .41 as a trial run. I was a kid but I still remember that revolver. He had it to his dying day and his hands were so large it looked small in them.

“"Stand and Fight"”

Since: Sep 10

United States

#563 Nov 18, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
How do you do at C2 yesterday, Jason?
Me....no luck in the hunt. But a skunked day hunting with my son is better than my best day at work. A friend of mine had an 8-pointer right below his stand (it came in from behind his tree)but couldn't get a clean shot using his muzzleloader.
Oh well. Maybe next weekend.
It was a great day yesterday at C2. I always go when they open since there aren't too many people around at 10AM. I also try to get it done as quick as possible so I can do some additional dry-firing as well as cleaning and maintenance. I shot 60 rds.(20 rds. of #4 Buck/ 40 rds. of Slugs) from my Mossberg 590 12-ga.

“"Stand and Fight"”

Since: Sep 10

United States

#564 Nov 18, 2012
bolbobaggins wrote:
The S&W .41 is one of the best. I bought one unfired, nickel plated in a pawn shop. Excellent gun and hard to find.
<quoted text>
Do u mean a .41 Magnum? If so, it is one of those rare handgun calibers.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#565 Nov 18, 2012
JasonStorm wrote:
<quoted text>Done. Thx for the opportunity. Glad to be of help.
Thanks

“"Stand and Fight"”

Since: Sep 10

United States

#566 Nov 18, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
How do you do at C2 yesterday, Jason?
Me....no luck in the hunt. But a skunked day hunting with my son is better than my best day at work. A friend of mine had an 8-pointer right below his stand (it came in from behind his tree)but couldn't get a clean shot using his muzzleloader.
Oh well. Maybe next weekend.
The paper targets were mutilated beyond recognition/re-use as a result of the shotgun blasts.
bolbobaggins

Yuma, AZ

#567 Nov 19, 2012
.41 Magnum S&W model 58 wonderful revolver.

.41 Magnum.
JasonStorm wrote:
<quoted text>
Do u mean a .41 Magnum? If so, it is one of those rare handgun calibers.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#568 Nov 19, 2012
bolbobaggins wrote:
<quoted text>.41 Magnum S&W model 58 wonderful revolver.

.41 Magnum.
I had the Performance Center 41 Magnum in matte stainless with laminated grips. It was stolen, and it broke my heart.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#569 Nov 19, 2012
bolbobaggins wrote:
.41 Magnum S&W model 58 wonderful revolver.
.41 Magnum.<quoted text>
You got a dandy especially if it's an original from the 1960's or 70's. Should be 4" fixed sights and heavy barrel. The grips can either be square butt service grips or Goncalo Alves oversized. The one I knew from years ago had the service grips & a Tyler T-Grip. Smith & Wesson has made a run of "new" Model 58's with the Hillary Hole & frame mounted firing pin. The old stuff was much better....

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#570 Nov 20, 2012
JasonStorm wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's not go there. The 45 ACP is, bar none, still the best personal defense caliber. Its stopping power has been proven in the streets and the battlefields.
It's proven to bounce off car winshields, belt buckles, wino's tin whiskey flasks and it's definitely proven to be a waste of money in jacketed hollow point configuration, it's too slow.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#571 Nov 20, 2012
JasonStorm wrote:
<quoted text>
I prefer a .45 ACP H&K MP-5 anyday over an Uzi 9mm for a submachine gun.
You can "prefer" all you want, I actually own two submachine guns, a full size uzi and a mini, the mini is completely convertible from 9MM to .45ACP, utilizing a tungsten weighted bolt and barrel assembly from barrel-x-change and a greas gun magwell converted lower. As a tool of self defense and leisure time range activity, it does the job just fine in either flavor. I have the .45ACP bolt for the full size, I just need to get a barrel in .45ACP to have both up and running. That said, my first concealed carry is going to be the lightest, narrowest profile .380 ACP that I can afford. The 1911 I got in .45ACP is a good paper weight, really nice for shits and grins and pistol whipping fools, but I'm not relying something that slow for pistol shooting in self defense.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#572 Nov 20, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>It's proven to bounce off car winshields, belt buckles, wino's tin whiskey flasks and it's definitely proven to be a waste of money in jacketed hollow point configuration, it's too slow.
Sit in a car with a tin flask to your lips and belt buckle earrings. See if your bells get rung....

“"Stand and Fight"”

Since: Sep 10

United States

#574 Nov 20, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>You can "prefer" all you want, I actually own two submachine guns, a full size uzi and a mini, the mini is completely convertible from 9MM to .45ACP, utilizing a tungsten weighted bolt and barrel assembly from barrel-x-change and a greas gun magwell converted lower. As a tool of self defense and leisure time range activity, it does the job just fine in either flavor. I have the .45ACP bolt for the full size, I just need to get a barrel in .45ACP to have both up and running. That said, my first concealed carry is going to be the lightest, narrowest profile .380 ACP that I can afford. The 1911 I got in .45ACP is a good paper weight, really nice for shits and grins and pistol whipping fools, but I'm not relying something that slow for pistol shooting in self defense.
I would rather shoot something that is slow with superior stopping power and less penetration (overpenetration is a liability issue in cities) than something that overpenetrates and has less power. And as a matter of fact, I have known lots of thugs and former criminals who have been shot my 9mms and have lived to tell the tale. Frankly a bigger caliber than a 9mm is what I prefer as long as I can afford to buy them. The best advice is to pick the most potent caliber that one can shoot both accurately and quickly under stress. A 9mmm is what you want but a .40/.45 is what I prefer. Again, it comes down to personal preference.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#575 Nov 21, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>You can "prefer" all you want, I actually own two submachine guns, a full size uzi and a mini, the mini is completely convertible from 9MM to .45ACP, utilizing a tungsten weighted bolt and barrel assembly from barrel-x-change and a greas gun magwell converted lower. As a tool of self defense and leisure time range activity, it does the job just fine in either flavor. I have the .45ACP bolt for the full size, I just need to get a barrel in .45ACP to have both up and running. That said, my first concealed carry is going to be the lightest, narrowest profile .380 ACP that I can afford. The 1911 I got in .45ACP is a good paper weight, really nice for shits and grins and pistol whipping fools, but I'm not relying something that slow for pistol shooting in self defense.
Only people like you should be carrying a .380

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#576 Nov 21, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>You can "prefer" all you want, I actually own two submachine guns, a full size uzi and a mini, the mini is completely convertible from 9MM to .45ACP, utilizing a tungsten weighted bolt and barrel assembly from barrel-x-change and a greas gun magwell converted lower. As a tool of self defense and leisure time range activity, it does the job just fine in either flavor. I have the .45ACP bolt for the full size, I just need to get a barrel in .45ACP to have both up and running. That said, my first concealed carry is going to be the lightest, narrowest profile .380 ACP that I can afford. The 1911 I got in .45ACP is a good paper weight, really nice for shits and grins and pistol whipping fools, but I'm not relying something that slow for pistol shooting in self defense.
Let me get this straight. Youíre willing to rely on a .380 for self-defense but are unwilling to rely on a slow .45ACP?
Barrel length will impact projectile speed. The shortest of the .380ís will achieve 900+ fps while the Walther is able to fire it at 1100 fps. The projectiles are 90+ grains and deliver just over 200 ft pounds of energy to the target.
The .45ACP achieves 1000+ fps, some varieties 1200+ fps with projectiles of 165 grains plus and delivers 400+ ft pounds of energy to the target.

Your preferred 9mm performs somewhere between the .380 and .45. One can not only look at muzzle velocity. You must also consider diameter, bigger hole usually means more damage and weight of the projectile. Double the speed, you quadruple energy delivered, double the mass and you double energy delivered.

You might want to review this http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ba...

Doesnít really matter for self-defense at close range. Thereís a serial killer running around Brooklyn currently killing people with a .22.

I often carry a .380. Itís simply more convenient. When Iím in Georgia I open carry a .45 1911.

Would you allow me to shoot at you through a windshield with my .45? Would you have confidence my .45 rounds would simply bounce off your windshield? As usual, youíre clueless.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#577 Nov 23, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
Doesnít really matter for self-defense at close range. Thereís a serial killer running around Brooklyn currently killing people with a .22.
Obviously, a 7.62x51 sniper rifle used at 800 yards to kill someone isn't being used for "self defense" in most civil applications of the concept.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#578 Nov 24, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously, a 7.62x51 sniper rifle used at 800 yards to kill someone isn't being used for "self defense" in most civil applications of the concept.
Where did that tangent come from?
Tray

Oxford, MS

#579 Nov 24, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously, a 7.62x51 sniper rifle used at 800 yards to kill someone isn't being used for "self defense" in most civil applications of the concept.
Well that depends, is someone at 800 yards shooting at me?

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#580 Nov 24, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Well that depends, is someone at 800 yards shooting at me?
D.C. sniper gave everbody including local po-pos and feds a chance at self defense shooting them, but all they could come up with was a rain man cop repeating that it was a white van, LOL.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#581 Nov 24, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did that tangent come from?
evidently, this .22LR serial killer chose the right tool for the job or he wouldn't be serial an on the lose. Drag a Dragunov down the street looking for victims and the best you'll be able to do is be a mass killer, not a serial killer. That said, handguns for concealed carry have to be of the kind the shooter will practice with and be good with, I don't have any problems with .22LR for self defense and if you want to carry .45ACP because you think it possesses MAGICAL properties, go ahead, that's your choice. Just don't be pedaling your hope dope round here, cause I'll call you on it.

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