How to Stand Your Ground

Jul 13, 2013 Full story: KCEN 24

Even before the George Zimmerman case began, there was a lot of talk about Florida's 'Stand Your Ground Law.'

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Since: Feb 13

Amarillo, TX

#1 Jul 14, 2013
Yet the defense didn't use the stand your ground defense...

“"Stand and Fight"”

Since: Sep 10

United States

#2 Jul 14, 2013
Unfortunately, it gets misintrpreted. It still does not mean anyone can pursue the suspect or escalate the situation. It simply allows you to defend yourself w/o retreating.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#3 Jul 14, 2013
JasonStorm wrote:
Unfortunately, it gets misintrpreted. It still does not mean anyone can pursue the suspect or escalate the situation. It simply allows you to defend yourself w/o retreating.
Yes you can pursue, you can make a citizens arrest (if you know a crime has taken place). In fact it is each persons responsibility to protect your own. If all those "witnesses" would have stepped up and helped when they heard it Trayvon would be alive (in jail but alive). Rely on the cops and your neighbors can watch them draw chalk lines around your body.

“"Stand and Fight"”

Since: Sep 10

United States

#4 Jul 20, 2013
No you don't. We are not cops/vigilantes and that is not our obligation to do so. Assumptions like that is why we are cast in a bad light and makes our self-defense/gun rights much more difficult.

“"Stand and Fight"”

Since: Sep 10

United States

#5 Jul 20, 2013
And Zimmerman pursuing Trayvon was what got him in hot water in the first place even though he was justified in using lethal force for self-defense. One has to balance it out between being some gung-ho hotdog and being sensible.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#6 Jul 20, 2013
JasonStorm wrote:
No you don't. We are not cops/vigilantes and that is not our obligation to do so. Assumptions like that is why we are cast in a bad light and makes our self-defense/gun rights much more difficult.
There is NOTHING illegal about follow a suspicious person. It might not be the smartest thing to do, but it is NOT illegal. It is also not illegal to ask someone a question in response to being asked a question. Again.....not smart, but not illegal. Who was the first person to break any laws that night???

“"Stand and Fight"”

Since: Sep 10

United States

#7 Jul 20, 2013
Anyone can still be at fault or held culpable if his/her actions instigated the situation. In some states, it can be considered negligence. And again, it's never a good idea to follow someone unless he/she is headed toward ur residence and u have family in it. Is it really that worth it? One time, I noticed some people in the morning (looks like they are homeless b/c they were unkempt and also are not part of the neighborhood). Called the police as I was on my way to work and they never returned again. Either they got arrested or did not came back. No harm, no foul, no trials.

“"Stand and Fight"”

Since: Sep 10

United States

#8 Jul 20, 2013
Btw, those suspicious people were loitering in the hallway of the apartment where I lived. I ran into them on my way out. Didn't confront them. Pretended I didn't notice.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#9 Jul 20, 2013
JasonStorm wrote:
Anyone can still be at fault or held culpable if his/her actions instigated the situation. In some states, it can be considered negligence. And again, it's never a good idea to follow someone unless he/she is headed toward ur residence and u have family in it. Is it really that worth it? One time, I noticed some people in the morning (looks like they are homeless b/c they were unkempt and also are not part of the neighborhood). Called the police as I was on my way to work and they never returned again. Either they got arrested or did not came back. No harm, no foul, no trials.
I also had an issue a few years ago where a group of 21-23 year old were hanging out in front of my house, being loud, drinking, using foul language, etc. Their were all friends of the POS punk that lived directly accross the street from me. When I heard the first beer bottle hit the pavement, I called the police. The group was dispatched in about two minutes. What pissed me off was this punk's parents were home and allowing it to go on. Never had a problem with them again.

Had another incident a few years before that one where another group of punks were blocking the street as they were walking (about 10 of them) and refusing to get out of the way for cars trying to make it by. My other neighbor had a few choice words for them when they refused to let him pass, and then they REALLY got nasty with the insults throwing out "crackers" and "m/fers" every other word. When they decided to start making actual threats, the neighbor squared off to the biggest of the bunch and shoved him back about 6 feet. When the big guy threatened to go get his daddy's gun, another neighbor comes out with a chainsaw....running and told them all "YOu have exactly 2 seconds to go, before I cut your arm off and beat him (pointing to another punk) to death with it." (keep in mind that we are outnumbered 10 to 3) They moved along smartly. One of the punks decided to call the cops claiming that this crazy guy threatened them all with a chainsaw. When the cops showed up, we politely informed them that his story wasn't quite accurate, that he had left out a few details, and two other neighbors backed our side of the story. No charges were filed against anyone, and we haven't had a problem with that group since. In fact, the word must have got around, because we haven't had a problem from ANYONE since. Interesting how that works, huh?
Sam I Am

Mountain Home, AR

#11 Aug 31, 2013

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#12 Aug 31, 2013
JasonStorm wrote:
No you don't. We are not cops/vigilantes and that is not our obligation to do so. Assumptions like that is why we are cast in a bad light and makes our self-defense/gun rights much more difficult.
Cut the size of every police dept and we will be more free, we will rightfully have more privacy, and be more safe.

Police are rarely the first responders; usually they are the last responders.

YOU have confused vigilanteism. One is punishment (without due process) the other is reporting or detaining suspects for police. If people were more involved we would need fewer costly police.
Donny Brook

Bastrop, TX

#13 Aug 31, 2013
JasonStorm wrote:
And Zimmerman pursuing Trayvon was what got him in hot water in the first place even though he was justified in using lethal force for self-defense. One has to balance it out between being some gung-ho hotdog and being sensible.
In some states those that have a permit to carry concealed do have obligations to protect the lives of others under attack if it is safe to do so. Why would anyone opt to carry a weapon legally and allow the crimes we read about every day; ie, gang rapes, strong-armed and armed robbery, gang beat downs on old people and kids, etc. Zimmerman had the right to observe Thugon to determine intent. There was no proof that Z confronted Martin, but there was proof that Thugon double back on Z while he was talking to his girlfriend, based on what she said. Only criminals want gun control.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#14 Sep 1, 2013
JasonStorm wrote:
Btw, those suspicious people were loitering in the hallway of the apartment where I lived. I ran into them on my way out. Didn't confront them. Pretended I didn't notice.
And that is why the criminal activity had continued in that community. This was a private gated community, not a public street. I had a neighbor like you once, that did not want to get involved in the safety of the community. He came home one night to find his home robbed. He went door to door asking if anyone saw anything and if they did why didn't they do something. We all told him we didn't want to get involved. He moved.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#15 Sep 1, 2013
837. A private person may arrest another:

For a public offense committed or attempted in his/her presence.
When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence.
When a felony has been in fact committed, and he or she has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.
Sam I Am

Mountain Home, AR

#17 Sep 1, 2013
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>Cut the size of every police dept and we will be more free, we will rightfully have more privacy, and be more safe.
Police are rarely the first responders; usually they are the last responders.
YOU have confused vigilanteism. One is punishment (without due process) the other is reporting or detaining suspects for police. If people were more involved we would need fewer costly police.
Police almost all the time get there after the crime to clean up the mess.

Look at Mr. Zimmerman and what happened to him, It's no wonder why people are afraid to get involved.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#18 Sep 1, 2013
Sam I Am wrote:
Police almost all the time get there after the crime to clean up the mess.
Look at Mr. Zimmerman and what happened to him, It's no wonder why people are afraid to get involved.
If Zimmerman was convicted it would've required more tougher Stand-Your-Ground law. By putting Zimmerman on trial they attempted to end SYG law and public gun possession.

But now Zimmerman won his trial. People are on notice we CAN and WILL defend ourselves with weapons. So now, people CAN get involved (in States with SYG law).

http://www.piercecountyherald.com/content/mil...

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Guadalajara, Mexico

#19 Sep 1, 2013
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>If Zimmerman was convicted it would've required more tougher Stand-Your-Ground law. By putting Zimmerman on trial they attempted to end SYG law and public gun possession.

But now Zimmerman won his trial. People are on notice we CAN and WILL defend ourselves with weapons. So now, people CAN get involved (in States with SYG law).

http://www.piercecountyherald.com/content/mil...
The reason the defense did not even try SYG defense or even take the hearing is they knew the judge would not risk the fire storm of letting Zim walk without a jury........

“"Stand and Fight"”

Since: Sep 10

United States

#20 Sep 9, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>And that is why the criminal activity had continued in that community. This was a private gated community, not a public street. I had a neighbor like you once, that did not want to get involved in the safety of the community. He came home one night to find his home robbed. He went door to door asking if anyone saw anything and if they did why didn't they do something. We all told him we didn't want to get involved. He moved.
Btw, they never returned again and there are no homeless hanging around. I have also kept my neighbors alert for any of them. And I do the same.

“"Stand and Fight"”

Since: Sep 10

United States

#21 Sep 9, 2013
Tray wrote:
837. A private person may arrest another:
For a public offense committed or attempted in his/her presence.
When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence.
When a felony has been in fact committed, and he or she has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.
I may hold that person at gunpoint but if he/she runs away, then I have no obligation to pursue him/her. Only exception I shoot a fleeing suspect is if he or she is turning around to shoot/attack me or run to the room of my loved ones trying to cause them harm.

“"Stand and Fight"”

Since: Sep 10

United States

#22 Sep 9, 2013
Sam I Am wrote:
<quoted text> Police almost all the time get there after the crime to clean up the mess.
Look at Mr. Zimmerman and what happened to him, It's no wonder why people are afraid to get involved.
If someone is in dire jeopardy, then intervention would make sense. But you have to be absolutely sure that the person you are defending is not the perp. And heck, the person pointing a gun may be an undercover cop. And interfering can get you charged with obstruction of justice. Even the spouse who was the victim of a domestic might turn on you and help out her abuser. Again, something to think about before you intervene.

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