How A Comma Gave Americans The Right To Own Guns

Aug 12, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Silicon Alley Insider

A recent poll suggests Americans will consider the gun debate a pivotal point in the 2014 elections.

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americanvoter55

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Anti-gun academics have also argued the framers really meant "A well regulated militia ... shall not be infringed,"

I guess the anti gun academics never read the preamble...just the first three words are enough..."WE THE PEOPLE"...funny how it doesn't say we the militia...since the bill of rights is about the rights of the people...i think the framers knew exactly what they were doing when they said the right of the PEOPLE to bear arms shall not be infringed...It's funny how they choose to ignore the comma in the 14th amendment...where it says All persons born or naturalized,"comma" AND subject to the jurisdiction of the United States etc...

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americanvoter55 wrote:
Anti-gun academics have also argued the framers really meant "A well regulated militia ... shall not be infringed,"
I guess the anti gun academics never read the preamble...just the first three words are enough..."WE THE PEOPLE"...funny how it doesn't say we the militia...since the bill of rights is about the rights of the people...i think the framers knew exactly what they were doing when they said the right of the PEOPLE to bear arms shall not be infringed...It's funny how they choose to ignore the comma in the 14th amendment...where it says All persons born or naturalized,"comma" AND subject to the jurisdiction of the United States etc...
Yeah I would have to agree with you. If they wanted to say militia, then they would have.
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The militia is all able bodied citizens of the state.

Therefore all able bodied citizens are allowed to own guns.

Well regulated militia means that it is regulated by the state, and not private militias.

Bullflinging leftwing liars claim that militia means "national guard".

Which is pure dogsqueeze since the US is not a state but a union of states.

National guards are REGULAR units of the US military.

Militia is all armed citizens not part of the national armed forces.

State militia CAN NOT be inducted into national service, and can only operate in their home state.

Commas mean SQUAT.
americanvoter55

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TGO wrote:
The militia is all able bodied citizens of the state.
Therefore all able bodied citizens are allowed to own guns.
Well regulated militia means that it is regulated by the state, and not private militias.
Bullflinging leftwing liars claim that militia means "national guard".
Which is pure dogsqueeze since the US is not a state but a union of states.
National guards are REGULAR units of the US military.
Militia is all armed citizens not part of the national armed forces.
State militia CAN NOT be inducted into national service, and can only operate in their home state.
Commas mean SQUAT.
You are almost 100% correct...well regulated in early English meant capable and equipped. Each member was required to have 50 lead shots and 2 molds to make more . It didn't mean encumbered by regulation.

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I don't even need to read the article to tell where this one is going to go. The Bill of Rights, of which the 2nd Amendment is included, does NOT "give" or "grant" any rights. It merely enumerates and guarantees them. The Bill of Rights is a set of restrictions on the federal govt telling them that they will NOT infringe on the inherent, inalienable rights of "We The People" (ther right to freely assemble, to bear arms, to be secure in our homes and persons, etc.)

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The reason why the founding fathers left that clause in the constitution, was because they knew that the people had a right to have arms, just incase the government became too oppresive. The founding fathers had just fought a war to free themselves from tyranny. Why would they enter into another government that could possible support a future tryant ? The people must have arms to keep a level playing field, or so was the belief of our American ancestors. I tend to agree with them on this issue.
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Armed Veteran wrote:
I don't even need to read the article to tell where this one is going to go. The Bill of Rights, of which the 2nd Amendment is included, does NOT "give" or "grant" any rights. It merely enumerates and guarantees them. The Bill of Rights is a set of restrictions on the federal govt telling them that they will NOT infringe on the inherent, inalienable rights of "We The People" (ther right to freely assemble, to bear arms, to be secure in our homes and persons, etc.)
True statement...Thank you for your service
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Well regulated means that all militia in the state have the same rules and regulations and a unified command structure.

The governor of the state is the commander in chief of a state militia.

The federal government has no authority over state militias - it can't mobilize or command them.

The militia is a strictly volunteer civilian force.
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TGO wrote:
Well regulated means that all militia in the state have the same rules and regulations and a unified command structure.
The governor of the state is the commander in chief of a state militia.
The federal government has no authority over state militias - it can't mobilize or command them.
The militia is a strictly volunteer civilian force.
Remember we are talking about early English...
quote “Well Regulated” Doesn’t Mean What Most People Think It Does
Denton Bramwell, Aug 6, 2007
What does “well-regulated” mean? Or, more to the point, what did it mean at the time
that the constitution of the United States was being written?
Practically all modern references to the term “well-regulated” refer to activities that are
regulated by law, such as the airline industry, the fur industry, or the gambling “industry”.
The contrast with writings from the 19th century was quite pronounced. Practically all the
earlier references I could find had quite a different meaning, inconsistent with that
interpretation. The clear meaning of the term in earlier texts was closer to “properly
operating” or “in its ideal state”. Not encumbered by regulation but capable and adequately equipped
Marauder

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americanvoter55 wrote:
<quoted text>Remember we are talking about early English...
quote “Well Regulated” Doesn’t Mean What Most People Think It Does
Denton Bramwell, Aug 6, 2007
What does “well-regulated” mean? Or, more to the point, what did it mean at the time
that the constitution of the United States was being written?
Practically all modern references to the term “well-regulated” refer to activities that are
regulated by law, such as the airline industry, the fur industry, or the gambling “industry”.
The contrast with writings from the 19th century was quite pronounced. Practically all the
earlier references I could find had quite a different meaning, inconsistent with that
interpretation. The clear meaning of the term in earlier texts was closer to “properly
operating” or “in its ideal state”. Not encumbered by regulation but capable and adequately equipped
AND...as it relates to the Militia...the Militia will be well trained in the use of arms, military tactics and military equipment...THAT is what "A well-regulated Militia" was in reference to.

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I don't even need to read the article to tell where this one is going to go. The Bill of Rights, of which the 2nd Amendment is included, does NOT "give" or "grant" any rights. It merely enumerates and guarantees them. The Bill of Rights is a set of restrictions on the federal govt telling them that they will NOT infringe on the inherent, inalienable rights of "We The People" (ther right to freely assemble, to bear arms, to be secure in our homes and persons, etc.)
Wrong again, fking communist.

The 2nd amendment prohibits ALL govts from regulating our weapons.

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Most of you are right-wing govt suckups. The militia clause is only an opinion.

What does it mean and here it is:

"A well regulated militia is neccessary to the security of a free state,..."

Dummies. It means a well regulated militia is neccessary to the security of a free state. It's not a law, it's an opinion.

Here's the law in the 2nd amendment:

"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

The militia clause is a preamble to the LAW clause. It could be replaced with any clause and the law clause still keeps the same meaning.

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A well regulated society is necessary to the security of a dictatorship, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Govt suckups are stupid and o brainwashed.

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Don't forget to take your meds this morning, Noid.
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Tory II wrote:
Most of you are right-wing govt suckups. The militia clause is only an opinion.
What does it mean and here it is:
"A well regulated militia is neccessary to the security of a free state,..."
Dummies. It means a well regulated militia is neccessary to the security of a free state. It's not a law, it's an opinion.
Here's the law in the 2nd amendment:
"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."
The militia clause is a preamble to the LAW clause. It could be replaced with any clause and the law clause still keeps the same meaning.
Example:
A well regulated society is necessary to the security of a dictatorship, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Govt suckups are stupid and o brainwashed.
This guy couldn't sell children to a pedophile - on credit.

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This guy couldn't sell children to a pedophile - on credit.
Brainwashing is the result when you take employment as COP. Don't blame me, blame yourselves.

Correction:

A well regulated society BEING (not IS) necessary to the security of a dictatorship, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>Brainwashing is the result when you take employment as COP. Don't blame me, blame yourselves.
Correction:
A well regulated society BEING (not IS) necessary to the security of a dictatorship, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Oh come on Tory...you make an appropriate correction and then even screw that up more than it was in the first place.

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Anyway the militia clause is an opinion, not the law.
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Tory II wrote:
Anyway the militia clause is an opinion, not the law.
Yow you certainly straightened me out.

After digesting the raw logic you present, I went 22 miles off the coast and dumped all my firearms.

If everyone was honest enough to accept your undeniable truth, why only dirty criminals would still possess firearms.

All those evil people who called you stupid and told you to shaddup should be arrested and confined in Truth Camps.

I congratulate you and urge you not to question the fact that you are just like Jesus.

Now that I no longer possess any firearms I call on all you gunmongers to take the pledge and dump your guns in the ocean where they can't be used by criminals.
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TGO wrote:
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Yow you certainly straightened me out.
After digesting the raw logic you present, I went 22 miles off the coast and dumped all my firearms.
If everyone was honest enough to accept your undeniable truth, why only dirty criminals would still possess firearms.
All those evil people who called you stupid and told you to shaddup should be arrested and confined in Truth Camps.
I congratulate you and urge you not to question the fact that you are just like Jesus.
Now that I no longer possess any firearms I call on all you gunmongers to take the pledge and dump your guns in the ocean where they can't be used by criminals.
Tory may go off the deep end sometimes but he is right on this point. Anyone that claims "Shall not be infringed" means anything other than a direct law against the government having ANY control over the peoples right is just a liar.
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Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Tory may go off the deep end sometimes but he is right on this point. Anyone that claims "Shall not be infringed" means anything other than a direct law against the government having ANY control over the peoples right is just a liar.
Nothing about the Second Amendment is "opinion".

>the federal government has no authority over the militia

>all able bodied citizens are militia

>all militia may possess firearms

>the states may "regulate" militia but not ban firearm possession by the militia

>the states' authority to regulate means any organized militia operations are under the authority of a state government

>no private citizens can name themselves militia commanders or issue any kind of orders to militia or anyone else - that regulation has nothing to do with the right of militia to possess firearms

>the militia serve "at will" - any militia member may join or leave the militia at any time without obligation

>the sole regulation in my state is that no private militia may conduct public drills or operations, and that the state militia not be privately funded - none of those have anything to do with the militia's right to possess firearms

Final word - the feds have NO authority over militia, and the states may regulate but NOT BAN the possession of firearms by militia.

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