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Group: Doctors have right to discuss gun safety

There are 18 comments on the Boston Herald story from May 14, 2013, titled Group: Doctors have right to discuss gun safety. In it, Boston Herald reports that:

The Massachusetts Medical Society is reaffirming the right of doctors in the state to discuss gun safety with their patients.

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“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#1 May 14, 2013
It would be nice if doctors would discuss pharmaceuticals and alternative medicine.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#2 May 14, 2013
True, and the patient has the right to tell them to pound sand, what I own is none of their business.
The

Huntsville, AL

#3 May 14, 2013
doctor could prescribe erectile drugs so these guys wouldn't have to buys so many guns.

Win Win.
There

Huntsville, AL

#4 May 14, 2013
RustyS wrote:
True, and the patient has the right to tell them to pound sand, what I own is none of their business.
should be higher health insurance rates for gun owners.

“Pompous pontificator”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#5 May 14, 2013
There wrote:
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should be higher health insurance rates for gun owners.
LOL! Without the right to bear arms and the sacrifices of too many to count who died to preserve ALL our rights, you wouldn't have the right to post idiotic stuff here. There are LOT of gun owners you should thank.

“Pompous pontificator”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#6 May 14, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
It would be nice if doctors would discuss pharmaceuticals and alternative medicine.
ABSOLUTELY! I wish I had a nickel for every drug company salesperson I've seen visiting a doctor's office. There is a lot of pressure on doctors to push Rx drugs. I'd love to see some of them grow-some and eschew these Sirens' calls and honor their Hippocratic oaths. Good physicians should learn Holistic approaches and offer alternatives to their patients whenever appropriate. And asking about guns does not require an answer. Simply say: "Sorry doc, that's beyond the scope of my visit here today". Nobody needs to be shy or embarrassed about telling somebody to MYOB.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#7 May 14, 2013
There wrote:
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should be higher health insurance rates for gun owners.
I would make more sense to have higher rates on those who don't. They will be the victims.
More

Huntsville, AL

#8 May 14, 2013
RustyS wrote:
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I would make more sense to have higher rates on those who don't. They will be the victims.
BS.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#9 May 14, 2013
More wrote:
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BS.
Sheeple.
Uuh yeah

Huntsville, AL

#10 May 14, 2013
RustyS wrote:
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I would make more sense to have higher rates on those who don't. They will be the victims.
The evidence suggests that on average, having a gun actually increases the likelihood that a person will be injured or killed, rather than that it will be used to protect that individual from harm. If you own a gun, the most likely person you are to shoot is yourself. The next most likely person you are to shoot is a close family member. Homes with guns are a dozen times more likely to have household members or guests killed or injured by the weapon than by an intruder.The odds are much greater that the gun will be used against you or a loved one than that it will be used against an armed assailant or an intruder. Firearms are more often discharged in a homicide, suicide or an accident, than in self-defense.

Owning a gun increases your risk of falling victim to a gun accident, a suicide or a homicide. By practicing safe gun handling you can reduce the likelihood of an accident, and of course if you choose not to take your own life you can prevent yourself from becoming a suicide statistic. However, you have little control over how other household members may handle the gun unless you lock it in a gun safe. However, if your primary reason for owning the gun is to have it easily accessible in an emergency, the gun safe may undermine your rationale for possessing the gun in the first place.

In this country gun violence is a daily occurrence. Eighty-five Americans are shot and killed on an average day. Sixty-two percent of those who are killed are the victims of self-inflicted wounds from committing suicide. Most adolescent suicides are committed by youths at home who used the family gun obtained from home. States with weaker gun laws and higher rates of household gun ownership have higher rates of gun suicide and higher overall suicide rates. Although many gun control opponents have argued against counting suicides by firearms as gun-related deaths, because the suicide victim can substitute another form of suicide, Harvard researchers have found that fatality rates for suicide attempts with a gun are over ninety percent while rates for cutting, piercing, and drug overdoses (the other most common methods used to attempt suicide) are under five percent.

Thus, one of the most effective ways to prevent a depressed teen from killing himself (or for that matter, from killing others) is to make sure he does not have easy access to a gun. Although this will not guarantee his safety, it will make it much more likely that he does not succeed in taking his life.

Although Americans may fear the random stranger or the potential street thug more than friends or family, that fear is misplaced. Statistically the threat of being killed is much greater from someone who is welcome in your home than from an unwanted intruder. Eighty percent of homicides in the United States are committed by a family member, a friend or an acquaintance of the victim. Female murder victims are more likely to be murdered in the home than male victims and most female victims are killed by a spouse, an unmarried intimate partner, or a close relative. Lethal domestic assaults are nearly three times more likely in a household where a gun is present, and studies have shown no significant protective effect for having a gun in the home.

Male victims are more likely than females to be shot outside the home. While many men may carry guns for personal protection, a University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine study found that people who possess a gun are about 450 percent more likely to be shot in an aggravated assault or firearms homicide than individuals who do not possess a gun.

http://www.examiner.com/article/possessing-a-...

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#11 May 14, 2013
According to DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. gun-related homicides dropped 39 percent over the course of 18 years, from 18,253 during 1993, to 11,101 in 2011. During the same period, non-fatal firearm crimes decreased even more, a whopping 69 percent.

Bureau of Justice Statistics and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, also found a dramatic drop in gun crime over the past two decades. Their accounting shows a 49 percent decline in the homicide rate, and a 75 percent decline of non-fatal violent crime victimization. More than 8 in 10 gun homicide victims in 2010 were men and boys. Fifty-five percent of the homicide victims were black, far beyond their 13 percent share of the population. More than likely gang related.

The evidence is clear, as gun ownership increases, gun violence decreases.
correlation

Huntsville, AL

#12 May 14, 2013
RustyS wrote:
The evidence is clear, as gun ownership increases, gun violence decreases.
isn't causation, bonehead. The conclusions part of the report cite a lot of reasons for the trends - mostly demographics - with a steep decline after the assault weapons ban. None even hint at your BS assertion.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#13 May 14, 2013
Ah yes, Feinstein logic. 'Assault weapons' ban decreased crime even though 'assault weapons' are used in 1/5th of 1% of the crimes. No question about it, banning 'assault weapons' for a few years caused the gun murder rate to drop 50%. Using your progressive logic, if we could have banned them again, gun crimes would drop another 50% to 0.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#14 May 15, 2013
Uuh yeah wrote:
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The evidence suggests that on average, having a gun actually increases the likelihood that a person will be injured or killed, rather than that it will be used to protect that individual from harm. If you own a gun, the most likely person you are to shoot is yourself. The next most likely person you are to shoot is a close family member. Homes with guns are a dozen times more likely to have household members or guests killed or injured by the weapon than by an intruder.The odds are much greater that the gun will be used against you or a loved one than that it will be used against an armed assailant or an intruder. Firearms are more often discharged in a homicide, suicide or an accident, than in self-defense.
Owning a gun increases your risk of falling victim to a gun accident, a suicide or a homicide. By practicing safe gun handling you can reduce the likelihood of an accident, and of course if you choose not to take your own life you can prevent yourself from becoming a suicide statistic. However, you have little control over how other household members may handle the gun unless you lock it in a gun safe. However, if your primary reason for owning the gun is to have it easily accessible in an emergency, the gun safe may undermine your rationale for possessing the gun in the first place.
In this country gun violence is a daily occurrence. Eighty-five Americans are shot and killed on an average day. Sixty-two percent of those who are killed are the victims of self-inflicted wounds from committing suicide. Most adolescent suicides are committed by youths at home who used the family gun obtained from home. States with weaker gun laws and higher rates of household gun ownership have higher rates of gun suicide and higher overall suicide rates. Although many gun control opponents have argued against counting suicides by firearms as gun-related deaths, because the suicide victim can substitute another form of suicide, Harvard researchers have found that fatality rates for suicide attempts with a gun are over ninety percent while rates for cutting, piercing, and drug overdoses (the other most common methods used to attempt suicide) are under five percent.
Thus, one of the most effective ways to prevent a depressed teen from killing himself (or for that matter, from killing others) is to make sure he does not have easy access to a gun. Although this will not guarantee his safety, it will make it much more likely that he does not succeed in taking his life.
...

http://www.examiner.com/article/possessing-a-...
If gun owners are more likely to die than communists then they don't need health insurance. WE know you hate gun owners, so why do you pretend to try and save us from our guns ?
Btw, 2.4 million Americans die each year, but only 30,000 die from guns. If 90 million Americans own guns why don't they die now ? Their guns are in their homes (LOL). Where are the millions of dead gun owners ?
Brain

Huntsville, AL

#15 May 15, 2013
Tory II wrote:
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dead
Again

Huntsville, AL

#16 May 15, 2013
RustyS wrote:
you are the one that needs to study logic. You should be embarrassed by your dumb posts.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#17 May 15, 2013
Again wrote:
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you are the one that needs to study logic. You should be embarrassed by your dumb posts.
I post for progressives. I am glad you get them,
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#18 May 17, 2013
The wrote:
doctor could prescribe erectile drugs so these guys wouldn't have to buys so many guns.
Win Win.
My dermatologist has a ccw permit and says 'woosie' tattoos are the leading cause of melanoma on liberals.

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