People do not need assault weapons: defense secretary

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Defense Secretary Leon Panetta joined the gun control debate on Thursday when he told troops at a military base in Italy that only soldiers needed armor-piercing bullets or assault weapons.

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“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#3599 Mar 1, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>If that's your position, then clearly your contention is bushie ALLOWED 9/11 to take place. I don't believe that but then, historical events have a way of disproving opinions too. Besides....
"Bush Gave No Sign of Worry In August 2001
By Dana Milbank and Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, April 11, 2004; Page A01
CRAWFORD, Tex., April 10 -- President Bush was in an expansive mood on Aug. 7, 2001, when he ran into reporters while playing golf at the Ridgewood Country Club in Waco, Tex.
The day before, the president had received an intelligence briefing -- the contents of which were declassified by the White House Saturday night -- warning "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US." But Bush seemed carefree as he spoke about the books he was reading, the work he was doing on his nearby ranch, his love of hot-weather jogging, his golf game and his 55th birthday.
"No mulligans, except on the first tee," he said to laughter. "That's just to loosen up. You see, most people get to hit practice balls, but as you know, I'm walking out here, I'm fixing to go hit. Tight back, older guy -- I hit the speed limit on July 6th."
National security adviser Condoleezza Rice, in her testimony Thursday to the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, spoke of a government on high alert for terrorism in the summer of 2001. "The president of the United States had us at battle stations during this period of time," she testified. Rice's talk of battle stations is part of the Bush administration's effort to counter an impression that it did not do enough about terrorism before Sept. 11; a Newsweek poll released Saturday found that 60 percent think the Bush administration underestimated terrorism before the attacks.
But if top officials were at battle stations, there was no sign of it on the surface. Bush spent most of August 2001 on his ranch here. His staff said at the time that by far the biggest issue on his agenda was his decision on federal funding of stem cell research, followed by education, immigration and the Social Security "lockbox."
Of course, many of the efforts to thwart an attack would not have been visible on the outside. But some officials on the inside -- notably former White House counterterrorism chief Richard A. Clarke -- say the administration was not acting with sufficient urgency to the spike in intelligence indicating a threat. And there is nothing in Bush's public actions or words from August 2001 to refute Clarke...."
Son, you really come ill prepared with only your opinions to backup your claims. And you believe you can bolster your claims by demanding others answer your idiotic questions.
Grow up.
Bush arrested one of the hijackers before 9/11(2001), idiot. But, a leftwingnut federal judge wouldn't let the FBI look at Moussaoui's hard drive and read the details of the 9/11(2001) attack, idiot.
For some reason, all those "constitutional" objections that judge had disappeared on 9/12.
If that leftwingnut judge had let the FBI read Moussaoui's hard drive, 9/11(2001) would never have happened and there wouldn't have been a war, idiot.

What you are suggesting is Bush ignore the Constitution and the Judicial Branch of government. Is that what you think a president should do? Or, do you think only a Democrat president should ignore the Constitution and the Judicial Branch of government?

No additional information was aquired on Moussaoui after 9/11(2001) to change any constitutional objections to the FBI looking at Moussaoui's hard drive.
What happened to those constitutional objections that leftwingnut judge had the day before?

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#3600 Mar 1, 2013
Besara wrote:
<quoted text>Nice spin. Ever thought of being Obama's Press Secretary?
But to get back to what was originally discussed

".Conservative ideology created the anti-regulatory environment that allowed the sharks to feed.
When ever mass quantities of money is involved people will cheat and steal if not watched. Thus the desire for a deregulated state falls on it's face.
Libertarianism is only applicable in the private lives of citizens but once you leave your front door, you leave that behind."

Both political parties had their grubby thumb prints on events leading up to the collapse, but which part of that statement do you disagree with

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#3604 Mar 1, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
But to get back to what was originally discussed
".Conservative ideology created the anti-regulatory environment that allowed the sharks to feed.
When ever mass quantities of money is involved people will cheat and steal if not watched. Thus the desire for a deregulated state falls on it's face.
Libertarianism is only applicable in the private lives of citizens but once you leave your front door, you leave that behind."
Both political parties had their grubby thumb prints on events leading up to the collapse, but which part of that statement do you disagree with
Here on planet Earth, the Republicans gave to the Democrats no effective oversight of their CRA program in exchange for the Democrats not doing what they did throughout the Cold War, sabotage the United States during a time of war, and the Democrats took that and OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTED THE WAR IN IRAQ.

As a result of the Republicans giving to the Democrats no control of their Marxist CRA program, the Democrats' subprime housing mortgage underwriting program collapsed the economy after two years of oversight by Democrats Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#3605 Mar 1, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
Bush arrested one of the hijackers before 9/11(2001), idiot. But, a leftwingnut federal judge wouldn't let the FBI look at Moussaoui's hard drive and read the details of the 9/11(2001) attack, idiot.
For some reason, all those "constitutional" objections that judge had disappeared on 9/12.
If that leftwingnut judge had let the FBI read Moussaoui's hard drive, 9/11(2001) would never have happened and there wouldn't have been a war, idiot.
What you are suggesting is Bush ignore the Constitution and the Judicial Branch of government. Is that what you think a president should do? Or, do you think only a Democrat president should ignore the Constitution and the Judicial Branch of government?
No additional information was aquired on Moussaoui after 9/11(2001) to change any constitutional objections to the FBI looking at Moussaoui's hard drive.
What happened to those constitutional objections that leftwingnut judge had the day before?
You keep repeating your position of bushie arresting someone. Then complain about a judge. What's your point? You don't like the legal system? You want vigilante justice? Or are you claiming to have 20/20 hindsight on something you insist should have been known by the judge on from day one?

What's your point son?

I'm not suggesting anything. I'm simply saying bushie claimed he was ready in August 2001 while vacationing at his ranch for a month even though he received intelligence of a potential terrorist problem while enjoying his golf outing.

You want to blame Clinton? Go ahead. But then you're position would have to be bushie relied on Clinton's intel as being accurate for his point in time.

You people keep looking for the mouse hole to run to.

Grow up
Besara

Des Moines, IA

#3606 Mar 1, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
But to get back to what was originally discussed
".Conservative ideology created the anti-regulatory environment that allowed the sharks to feed.
When ever mass quantities of money is involved people will cheat and steal if not watched. Thus the desire for a deregulated state falls on it's face.
Libertarianism is only applicable in the private lives of citizens but once you leave your front door, you leave that behind."
Both political parties had their grubby thumb prints on events leading up to the collapse, but which part of that statement do you disagree with
"Libertarianism is only applicable in the private lives of citizens but once you leave your front door, you leave that behind".
Libertarianism is sorely needed in the way this country is currently being run...into the ground.
Second, conservative ideology contributed to a lessening of the over-regulation wrought by previous big government types. It wasn't "anti-regulation" as much as it was "anti-unnecessary and expensive regulation".

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#3607 Mar 1, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>You keep repeating your position of bushie arresting someone. Then complain about a judge. What's your point? You don't like the legal system? You want vigilante justice? Or are you claiming to have 20/20 hindsight on something you insist should have been known by the judge on from day one?
What's your point son?
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm simply saying bushie claimed he was ready in August 2001 while vacationing at his ranch for a month even though he received intelligence of a potential terrorist problem while enjoying his golf outing.
You want to blame Clinton? Go ahead. But then you're position would have to be bushie relied on Clinton's intel as being accurate for his point in time.
You people keep looking for the mouse hole to run to.
Grow up
I am a constitutionalist. The Constitution describes three equal branches of government. The problem arises when a person in the Jusicial Branch of government acts one way before 9/11(2001), and another way after 9/11(2001), when the Constitution didn't change, and no new evidence was admitted.
The problem is judges are assisting the obstruction of an administration, or assisting a political agenda of an administration without consideration of the Constitution.
A case in point of this is a leftwingnut judge obstructing the investigation of one of the 9/11(2001) hijackers, thus allowing the terrorist attack to kill 3000 Americans and the subsequent war to happen.
That is what happens when a judge is motivated by a political agenda and not by the Constitution. The case in point just happens to be a leftwingnut judge.

Actually, Bush didn't say anything, you goddam idiot. If you go back and read the posts, it was Condoleeza Rice that made that statement.

Clinton was just the beginning of the Democrats' Marxist subprime program. It collapsed our economy after two years of oversight by Democrats.

I blame the Republicans as well. They should have known not to negotiate with the Democrats. If history is any lesson, the Democrats will cut a deal with you today, then use that deal to stab you in the back while they sabotage the United States during a time of war. I reference the Cold War when the Democrats outright joined the communists and assisted them in their effort to end the existence of the United States.
The deal the Democrats cut with the Republicans when the Democrats overwhelmingly supported the Iraq invasion and war was identical to what the Democrats did in the 60s, and then in the 80s.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#3608 Mar 1, 2013
Besara wrote:
<quoted text>"Libertarianism is only applicable in the private lives of citizens but once you leave your front door, you leave that behind".
Libertarianism is sorely needed in the way this country is currently being run...into the ground.
Second, conservative ideology contributed to a lessening of the over-regulation wrought by previous big government types. It wasn't "anti-regulation" as much as it was "anti-unnecessary and expensive regulation".
Riiiiight... I'm sure Enron, Worldcomm, Arthur Andersen and others agree with you.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#3609 Mar 1, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
Condoleezza Rice says they were at battle stations during the period of time you say Bush didn't even know what was going on. You need to rectify the discrepancy between what CRice says and your ignorant party line rhetoric.
And, you can't even define the word "Marxism". You wouldn't know a Marxist if one was brainwashing you with a bullhorn in your face. I'll help educate you.
In a Marxist system, no priveledges can be earned, or otherwise acquired, by any member of the masses that isn't available to every individual in the masses.
Before the Democrats' Marxist subprime loan program became part of our economic machine, an individual earned, or otherwise acquired the priveledge of purchasing a house, based on the worthiness of their individual credit history and income. This is diametrically opposed to Marxist principles. After the Democrats' Marxist subprime loan program became part of the economic machine, the credit history and income of the individual became an insignificant consideration. Thus, the Marxist principle that no priveledges can be earned, or otherwise acquired, by any member of the masses that isn't available to every individual in the masses was instituted.
Now, just where did Obama get his Marxist indoctrination from?
We have the answers to that question:
Frank Marshal Davis;
Vernon Jarrett;
William Ayers;
Vallerie Jarrett.
Coincidentally, Vallerie Jarrett has the office immediately adjacent to the Oval Office, and that was where Obama went to when he was summoned from the golf course by Vallerie Jarrett when it was leaked to her the mission to kill bin Laden was 40 minutes from landing in bin Laden's compound.
Please change your name. It's embarrassing to read the word "professor" in front of your ignorant comments. I suggest "perfesser". That would be appropriate for your level of ignorance.
Yes, you're so ignorant, you wouldn't know a Marxist if one was brainwashing you with a bullhorn in your face.
Huh? Good Lord man - if it wasn't for your cranium you'd have to carry the pound of dog-shit in a baggie ...

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#3610 Mar 1, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
Here on planet Earth, the Republicans gave to the Democrats no effective oversight of their CRA program in exchange for the Democrats not doing what they did throughout the Cold War, sabotage the United States during a time of war, and the Democrats took that and OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTED THE WAR IN IRAQ.
As a result of the Republicans giving to the Democrats no control of their Marxist CRA program, the Democrats' subprime housing mortgage underwriting program collapsed the economy after two years of oversight by Democrats Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank.
Sounds like you agree with the point hat reads both parties thumb prints are on things.
We ave disagreement on problem definition.

What I would like to hear you comment on is the thought that libertarianism is best applied vigorously to a persons private life. a more regulatory stance is required when large quantities of money are counted .

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#3611 Mar 1, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? Good Lord man - if it wasn't for your cranium you'd have to carry the pound of dog-shit in a baggie ...
You sure hit that nail right on the head!!!

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#3612 Mar 1, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>Riiiiight... I'm sure Enron, Worldcomm, Arthur Andersen and others agree with you.
Yeah. And I'm sure Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and every other institution that gave a mountain of money in bribes to Christopher
Dodd and Barack Obama before they collapsed the economy agrees with you.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#3613 Mar 1, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a constitutionalist. The Constitution describes three equal branches of government. The problem arises when a person in the Jusicial Branch of government acts one way before 9/11(2001), and another way after 9/11(2001), when the Constitution didn't change, and no new evidence was admitted.
The problem is judges are assisting the obstruction of an administration, or assisting a political agenda of an administration without consideration of the Constitution.
A case in point of this is a leftwingnut judge obstructing the investigation of one of the 9/11(2001) hijackers, thus allowing the terrorist attack to kill 3000 Americans and the subsequent war to happen.
That is what happens when a judge is motivated by a political agenda and not by the Constitution. The case in point just happens to be a leftwingnut judge.
Actually, Bush didn't say anything, you goddam idiot. If you go back and read the posts, it was Condoleeza Rice that made that statement.
Clinton was just the beginning of the Democrats' Marxist subprime program. It collapsed our economy after two years of oversight by Democrats.
I blame the Republicans as well. They should have known not to negotiate with the Democrats. If history is any lesson, the Democrats will cut a deal with you today, then use that deal to stab you in the back while they sabotage the United States during a time of war. I reference the Cold War when the Democrats outright joined the communists and assisted them in their effort to end the existence of the United States.
The deal the Democrats cut with the Republicans when the Democrats overwhelmingly supported the Iraq invasion and war was identical to what the Democrats did in the 60s, and then in the 80s.
A contitutionalist? How about Stupidalist :-) even a child knows republicans can't even negotiate with republicans these days ... yemoron!

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#3614 Mar 1, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? Good Lord man - if it wasn't for your cranium you'd have to carry the pound of dog-shit in a baggie ...
You forgot to put content into your post. I'll help you. There are many statements in the post. Choose the statements you disagree with and tell us why you think the statements are inaccurate.
Here's the post again for your convenient reference:

Condoleezza Rice says they were at battle stations during the period of time you say Bush didn't even know what was going on. You need to rectify the discrepancy between what CRice says and your ignorant party line rhetoric.
And, you can't even define the word "Marxism". You wouldn't know a Marxist if one was brainwashing you with a bullhorn in your face. I'll help educate you.
In a Marxist system, no priveledges can be earned, or otherwise acquired, by any member of the masses that isn't available to every individual in the masses.
Before the Democrats' Marxist subprime loan program became part of our economic machine, an individual earned, or otherwise acquired the priveledge of purchasing a house, based on the worthiness of their individual credit history and income. This is diametrically opposed to Marxist principles. After the Democrats' Marxist subprime loan program became part of the economic machine, the credit history and income of the individual became an insignificant consideration. Thus, the Marxist principle that no priveledges can be earned, or otherwise acquired, by any member of the masses that isn't available to every individual in the masses was instituted.
Now, just where did Obama get his Marxist indoctrination from?
We have the answers to that question:

Frank Marshal Davis;
Vernon Jarrett;
William Ayers;
Vallerie Jarrett.

Coincidentally, Vallerie Jarrett has the office immediately adjacent to the Oval Office, and that was where Obama went to when he was summoned from the golf course by Vallerie Jarrett when it was leaked to her the mission to kill bin Laden was 40 minutes from landing in bin Laden's compound.

Yes, you're so ignorant, you wouldn't know a Marxist if one was brainwashing you with a bullhorn in your face.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#3615 Mar 1, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
As a result of the Republicans giving to the Democrats no control of their Marxist
Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists!

PS: Over hear on this planet, Bush- and his co-president Cheney- lied for the reason they gave to go to war.

Lied.

Fool me once, shame on you...

They also told Congress that it would only take a few weeks...

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#3616 Mar 1, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
And, you can't even define the word "Marxism". You wouldn't know a Marxist
Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Over there! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Over there! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! There's another one! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Over there! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Over there! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! There's another one! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Over there! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! Over there! Marxist ~stomp stomp stomp~ Marxists! There's another one! Look out!

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#3617 Mar 1, 2013
Besara wrote:
<quoted text>"Libertarianism is only applicable in the private lives of citizens but once you leave your front door, you leave that behind".
Libertarianism is sorely needed in the way this country is currently being run...into the ground.
Second, conservative ideology contributed to a lessening of the over-regulation wrought by previous big government types. It wasn't "anti-regulation" as much as it was "anti-unnecessary and expensive regulation".
The country did not suffer from over regulation as much as antiquated regulation.
My thought is every decade or two most regulations need a re-write. There are two good reasons for this. First technology changes and regulation will need to be re-tooled to fit the new environment. Second the rats figure out way to get around any trap you put out so there is a perpetual need to build a better rat trap.

The Democrats biggest crime here is their knee-jerk reaction that they have in defending worthless regulation that no long does it's job and only exists as a burden.
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#3618 Mar 1, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
Here on planet Earth, the Republicans gave to the Democrats no effective oversight of their CRA program in exchange for the Democrats not doing what they did throughout the Cold War, sabotage the United States during a time of war, and the Democrats took that and OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTED THE WAR IN IRAQ.
As a result of the Republicans giving to the Democrats no control of their Marxist CRA program, the Democrats' subprime housing mortgage underwriting program collapsed the economy after two years of oversight by Democrats Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank.
lol! Son, FDIC has oversight.

http://www.google.com/url...
.
.
.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/ #

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#3619 Mar 1, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like you agree with the point hat reads both parties thumb prints are on things.
We ave disagreement on problem definition.
What I would like to hear you comment on is the thought that libertarianism is best applied vigorously to a persons private life. a more regulatory stance is required when large quantities of money are counted .
In truth, I haven't been a Republican since 1992 when I changed to independent. I've never been a Democrat. You see, I watched John Kerry speak for the Democrats and spew lies in front of Congress when he was with those frauds pretending to be Vietnam veterans in the so-called "Vietnam Veterans Against the War". Then, I watched what the Democrats did to South Vietnam in 1973 after they defeated the single largest invasion of the entire war WITHOUT ANY ASSISTANCE FROM US GROUND COMBAT UNITS.
Speaking of lies from the Democrats, how about you repeat the last surviving lie in the system of lies the Democrats invented about Vietnam. I'm sure you've repeated this lie many, many times:
"The South Vietnamese wouldn't fight for themselves."
After you open your post with that Democrat lie, how about you give us a description of the history of the South Vietnamese when they defeated the single largest communist invasion of the war in 1972 without any assistance from US ground combat units.

I don't exonerate either party. However, I don't recall the Republicans ever committing outright treason as a party. I kind of draw the line there.
If you like, we can discuss this with some details of the Democrats joining the communists during the Cold War and indoctrinating the entire country with lies to disguise their treason.
Your call....
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#3620 Mar 1, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot to put content into your post. I'll help you. There are many statements in the post. Choose the statements you disagree with and tell us why you think the statements are inaccurate.
Here's the post again for your convenient reference:
Condoleezza Rice says they were at battle stations during the period of time you say Bush didn't even know what was going on. You need to rectify the discrepancy between what CRice says and your ignorant party line rhetoric.
And, you can't even define the word "Marxism". You wouldn't know a Marxist if one was brainwashing you with a bullhorn in your face. I'll help educate you.
In a Marxist system, no priveledges can be earned, or otherwise acquired, by any member of the masses that isn't available to every individual in the masses.
Before the Democrats' Marxist subprime loan program became part of our economic machine, an individual earned, or otherwise acquired the priveledge of purchasing a house, based on the worthiness of their individual credit history and income. This is diametrically opposed to Marxist principles. After the Democrats' Marxist subprime loan program became part of the economic machine, the credit history and income of the individual became an insignificant consideration. Thus, the Marxist principle that no priveledges can be earned, or otherwise acquired, by any member of the masses that isn't available to every individual in the masses was instituted.
Now, just where did Obama get his Marxist indoctrination from?
We have the answers to that question:
Frank Marshal Davis;
Vernon Jarrett;
William Ayers;
Vallerie Jarrett.
Coincidentally, Vallerie Jarrett has the office immediately adjacent to the Oval Office, and that was where Obama went to when he was summoned from the golf course by Vallerie Jarrett when it was leaked to her the mission to kill bin Laden was 40 minutes from landing in bin Laden's compound.
Yes, you're so ignorant, you wouldn't know a Marxist if one was brainwashing you with a bullhorn in your face.
Content? Just as soon as you give us a halfway intelligent argument I surely will - I have no intention of expressing disagreement with a fool - make that a stupid fool!!!!

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#3621 Mar 1, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
The country did not suffer from over regulation as much as antiquated regulation.
My thought is every decade or two most regulations need a re-write. There are two good reasons for this. First technology changes and regulation will need to be re-tooled to fit the new environment. Second the rats figure out way to get around any trap you put out so there is a perpetual need to build a better rat trap.
The Democrats biggest crime here is their knee-jerk reaction that they have in defending worthless regulation that no long does it's job and only exists as a burden.
Obviously, you are ignorant of the Democrats negotiating with the Republicans and seeking no effective oversight of their Marxist subprime housing mortgage underwriting program. I'll help educate you. Here is a link with the quotes and outright lies from Democrats in negotiations with the Republicans while they traded their overwhelming support for the war in Iraq in exchange for no effective oversight of their obviously failure of a CRA program:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1222905743912...

You can start there....

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