People do not need assault weapons: d...

People do not need assault weapons: defense secretary

There are 4995 comments on the Reuters story from Jan 17, 2013, titled People do not need assault weapons: defense secretary. In it, Reuters reports that:

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta joined the gun control debate on Thursday when he told troops at a military base in Italy that only soldiers needed armor-piercing bullets or assault weapons.

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Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#3450 Feb 26, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats not what i was asking.
A member of the administration leaked the name to Novak.
My point of view is that person not Novak was the legitimate target a reporter is allowed to shield sources. A free press demands no less.
Clearly there was a successful coverup of what could have been a considerably sticky problem for W.'s administration.
Where in the ranks of recent scandal would this on rank.
"...a reporter is allowed to shield sources. A free press demands no less."

As a gun owner, I should be able to make the same claim, to shield my sources. Exercising my individual right demands no less.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#3451 Feb 26, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Drill Baby drill is bust at the pump!
What you are posting is, of course, nothing new it has been going on for many years and does not account for the fact that the “domestic oil boom is a bust at the pump” it simply confirms what has been known to thinking people all along. Oil is being sold on the world market and domestic oil has no bearing on the price you pay at the pump! What does make a difference is the financial speculators dominating over 70 percent of the market by Wall Street banks, hedge funds and other financial institutions that have no intention to take delivery of the oil they buy and sell on a daily basis. Armed with the 2010 revamp of financial regulation, Obama sought to establish hard limits, but that effort was bogged down with Republican roadblocks – screw the consumer.
With WTI sold at a large discount compared to Brent you will find that domestic and Canadian crude has mad a big difference.
No new pipelines such as Keystone , blocked by Obama , and no chance of regulatory approval of an eastern pipeline out of Oklahoma has caused a surplus of North American crude.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#3452 Feb 26, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>I could not agree more but do not expect it to happen without a radical overhaul of our tax code.
We also need cheap energy before green energy.
Natural gas can supply this but not if energy companies turn to much of it in to LNG for Asia and Europe where it is more profitable.
We also need the Keystone pipeline.
Obama is going to screw so much up it will take years to fix and Congress can't be counted on for anything that benefits the average worker either unless it is a defect financed handout.
Why? The tax code already favors business and the rich.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#3453 Feb 26, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
You're dodging that post like a Mexican jumping bean.
The point of intelligence is to avoid having to rely upon a single point of failure, you idiot.
Now, here's the facts again for you:
To learn why the United States didn't have any foreign intelligence capabilities when Bush took office, search "Clinton CIA human rights purge" and just start reading.
During Clinton's gutting of the CIA, Valerie Plame rose to prominence. When Bush took office, Valerie Plame was the head of the CIA's Joint Task Force on Iraq.
Valerie Plame supplied the intelligence on Iraq used by Clinton to bomb Iraq routinely, and to Bush who added Valerie Plame's analysis to the 18 UN resolutions being ignored by Saddam Hussien.
After this, Robert Novak outed Valerie Plame.
Now, you can take the education you received when you searched "Clinton CIA human rights purge" and combine it with the information you are made aware of when you search "Clinton FBI charter international intelligence" and discover that Clinton expanded the FBI's charter to include foreign intelligence at the same time he was gutting the CIA.
If you have any knowledge of history, you will know there was a striking difference between the US intelligence strategy and the intelligence strategy of the Soviet Union during the Cold War. The Soviet Union used their KGB, which is their version of our FBI domestic federal police agency, as their foreign intelligence agency, also. Clinton was attempting to convert the US to the Soviet model, combining domestic police functions and foreign intelligence functions within the same agency, the FBI.
As a result of this, during Clinton Al Qaeda was bombing us as if they were on a schedule.
lol! You're such an idiot son....

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/s...

"... SPIEGEL: The German government was convinced that "Curveball" would not be used in the now famous presentation that then US Secretary of State Colin Powell gave in 2003 before the United Nations Security Council.

Then Secretary of State Colin Powell as he presented "evidence" of weapon of mass destruction in Iraq to the United Nations general assembly: "We probably gave Powell the wrong speech."
AP

Then Secretary of State Colin Powell as he presented "evidence" of weapon of mass destruction in Iraq to the United Nations general assembly: "We probably gave Powell the wrong speech."
Drumheller: I had assured my German friends that it wouldn't be in the speech. I really thought that I had put it to bed. I had warned the CIA deputy John McLaughlin that this case could be fabricated. The night before the speech, then CIA director George Tenet called me at home. I said: "Hey Boss, be careful with that German report. It's supposed to be taken out. There are a lot of problems with that." He said: "Yeah, yeah. Right. Dont worry about that."

SPIEGEL: But it turned out to be the centerpiece in Powell’s presentation -- and nobody had told him about the doubts.

Drumheller: I turned on the TV in my office, and there it was. So the first thing I thought, having worked in the government all my life, was that we probably gave Powell the wrong speech. We checked our files and found out that they had just ignored it.

SPIEGEL: So the White House just ignored the fact that the whole story might have been untrue?

Drumheller: The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy. Right before the war, I said to a very senior CIA officer: "You guys must have something else," because you always think it's the CIA. "There is some secret thing I don`t know." He said: "No. But when we get to Baghdad, we are going to find warehouses full of stuff. Nobody is going to remember all of this."..."
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#3454 Feb 26, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, dufus. One more time...
Valerie Plame disagrees with you. Valerie Plame advised Bush.
Take it up with her, now that you know who she is after Robert Novak outed her. Ask her why she told Bush about all the WMDs in Iraq.
You might want to call your Senators and Congressmen why they supported the Iraq war, too.
lol! Actually son, many think it's Cheney's incursion.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#3455 Feb 26, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
Valerie Plame was in charge of the CIA's Joint Taskforce on Iraq, dufus.
The intelligence agency responsible for gathering foreign intelligence is the CIA, dufus.
The CIA's Joint Task Force on Iraq is responsible for all intelligence on Iraq, dufus.
Valerie Plame is personally responsible for all intelligence on Iraq given to the president, dufus.
If you can't understand this, read it again.
Valerie Plame was responsible for all intelligence on Iraq given to Bush.
And, Robert Novak outed her.
Funny how your claims just don't square with history.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#3456 Feb 26, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
You did everything but answer the post, dufus.
Here it is again for your convenient reference:
I know the solution for that. Don't negotiate with Democrats. All that you mention was the result of the Republicans giving to the Democrats what they wanted in exchange for the Democrats supporting the war in Iraq.
You'd think you would know this, dumbass.
If the Democrats were told to GFY and just do what they normally do, like sabotage the United States during a time of war exactly like what they did throughout the Cold War, then you wouldn't have anything to complain about, other than we were fighting a war the Arabs started.(One enemy. One war. That's how you figure it, idiot.)
You can start your post by telling us the real reason the Democrats supported Bush and the war in Iraq.
Based on the intel bushie gave them, I would have supported bushie.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#3457 Feb 26, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
And the Republicans negotiated with the Democrats and gave them their Marxist subprime housing mortgage underwriting program that collapsed our economy after two years of oversight by Democrats.
Lesson learned:
Don't negotiate with terrorists or Marxists. Any concession to them will come back and do you great harm.
lol! Here it comes again with idiotic subprime thingy.

I hate to tell you this but bankers broke their own rules regarding lending. But hey, you're not interested in that part of capitalism are you, son?
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#3458 Feb 26, 2013
Say the Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
And the economy was buzzing along, in spite of a recession that he inherited in 2001, and a military attack that killed thousands on the US mainland that resulted in a two-front war, the first since the War of 1812.
Until the Democrats took over in 2009, and we are now seeing the result of that.
lol! Wow. You must have blinked a loooooong time that last year!
jay

Bronx, NY

#3459 Feb 26, 2013
Skuttlebutt wrote:
The last time I heard of a place where only the police and military had guns, they ended up making a movie of it, and called it Schlinder’s List.
It's his job to say that - he's getting the army ready to help homeland security collect ar-15 type rifles (for our own good)- after there is lawlessness (riots) in the streets from the bad economy (intentional economic destruction by obama's socialists)- and martial law is declared (again for our own good) the constitution is void during martial law - no more right to bear arms - no more free speech - no more term limits - socialist takeover of america - all without being invaded by a foreign force!- good job obama!- brilliant actually!- & good job idiots (i'll be nice) who re-elected him - unless your intension was to actually destroy america then you're not such idiots after all - america will not survive another four years - obama's making sure of that
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#3460 Feb 27, 2013
jay wrote:
<quoted text>
It's his job to say that - he's getting the army ready to help homeland security collect ar-15 type rifles (for our own good)- after there is lawlessness (riots) in the streets from the bad economy (intentional economic destruction by obama's socialists)- and martial law is declared (again for our own good) the constitution is void during martial law - no more right to bear arms - no more free speech - no more term limits - socialist takeover of america - all without being invaded by a foreign force!- good job obama!- brilliant actually!- & good job idiots (i'll be nice) who re-elected him - unless your intension was to actually destroy america then you're not such idiots after all - america will not survive another four years - obama's making sure of that
That's what teabaggers claimed when he was elected, then they said the same thing again when he was re elected.

A "lanslide" victory?

Should we take another teabagger "prediction" seriously?

Then again, if he continues most of George's policies, it might have some credence.

Poor teabagger.

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#3461 Feb 27, 2013
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>That be either a distortion or a lie. You have to be covert to fall under the no outing clause.
Are you basing the opinion that Plame was not covert because of the fact that at the time Novak 's column was printed she was in the USA? That would only be correct only upon the assumption that she would never again be required to serve in a covert role.

*From an NBC news site.*
WASHINGTON — An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.
The summary is part of an attachment to Fitzgerald's memorandum to the court supporting his recommendation that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former top aide, spend 2-1/2 to 3 years in prison for obstructing the CIA leak investigation.
The nature of Plame's CIA employment never came up in Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice trial.
Undercover travel
The unclassified summary of Plame's employment with the CIA at the time that syndicated columnist Robert Novak published her name on July 14, 2003 says, "Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."
Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
The employment history indicates that while she was assigned to CPD, Plame, "engaged in temporary duty travel overseas on official business." The report says, "she traveled at least seven times to more than ten times." When overseas Plame traveled undercover, "sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias -- but always using cover -- whether official or non-official (NOC)-- with no ostensible relationship to the CIA."

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#3462 Feb 27, 2013
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
"...a reporter is allowed to shield sources. A free press demands no less."
As a gun owner, I should be able to make the same claim, to shield my sources. Exercising my individual right demands no less.
The reporter being able to shield a source is a freedom of the press issue. The attempt to draw an analogy with the second is a bit of false equivalency.
I assume you are speaking against enhancing the data base for gun licensing and registration.
In New York a newspaper has claimed the right to publish the names of concealed gun permit holders . A notion that is not in my view valid. The correct placement of a 'firewall' is between the gov't and public disclosure of information. Rather than between the gun owner and the Gov't .

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#3463 Feb 27, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats not what i was asking.
A member of the administration leaked the name to Novak.
My point of view is that person not Novak was the legitimate target a reporter is allowed to shield sources. A free press demands no less.
Clearly there was a successful coverup of what could have been a considerably sticky problem for W.'s administration.
Where in the ranks of recent scandal would this on rank.
Here's what we know:
Robert Novak says some unidentified member of the administration leaked this secret information to him. For some reason, Robert Novak won't identify who this person is.
Then, Robert Novak, knowing that this was secret information, let it out to the general public.

The obvious conclusion is, Robert Novak knowingly and intentionally outed Valerie Plame.

Should Robert Novak be sent to prison for treason?

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#3464 Feb 27, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>lol! You're such an idiot son....
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/s...
"... SPIEGEL: The German government was convinced that "Curveball" would not be used in the now famous presentation that then US Secretary of State Colin Powell gave in 2003 before the United Nations Security Council.
Then Secretary of State Colin Powell as he presented "evidence" of weapon of mass destruction in Iraq to the United Nations general assembly: "We probably gave Powell the wrong speech."
AP
Then Secretary of State Colin Powell as he presented "evidence" of weapon of mass destruction in Iraq to the United Nations general assembly: "We probably gave Powell the wrong speech."
Drumheller: I had assured my German friends that it wouldn't be in the speech. I really thought that I had put it to bed. I had warned the CIA deputy John McLaughlin that this case could be fabricated. The night before the speech, then CIA director George Tenet called me at home. I said: "Hey Boss, be careful with that German report. It's supposed to be taken out. There are a lot of problems with that." He said: "Yeah, yeah. Right. Dont worry about that."
SPIEGEL: But it turned out to be the centerpiece in Powell’s presentation -- and nobody had told him about the doubts.
Drumheller: I turned on the TV in my office, and there it was. So the first thing I thought, having worked in the government all my life, was that we probably gave Powell the wrong speech. We checked our files and found out that they had just ignored it.
SPIEGEL: So the White House just ignored the fact that the whole story might have been untrue?
Drumheller: The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy. Right before the war, I said to a very senior CIA officer: "You guys must have something else," because you always think it's the CIA. "There is some secret thing I don`t know." He said: "No. But when we get to Baghdad, we are going to find warehouses full of stuff. Nobody is going to remember all of this."..."
Very interesting....

I noticed that you didn't once mention Valerie Plame, who was the head of the CIA's Joint Task Force on Iraq.
Since the discussion is about what intelligence we had on Iraq, why wouldn't you mention the person in charge of the intelligence we had on Iraq?

Valerie Plame was the head of the CIA Joint Task Forde on Iraq.
Valerie Plame was responsible for all intelligence given to the president on Iraq.

Valerie Plame was outed by Robert Novak.

But, you mentioning Germany is very interesting.
Now, just why would you think German intelligence was related to Valerie Plame being the head of the CIA Joint Task Force on Iraq?

(I know the answer to this question, dufus. Do you?)

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#3465 Feb 27, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you basing the opinion that Plame was not covert because of the fact that at the time Novak 's column was printed she was in the USA? That would only be correct only upon the assumption that she would never again be required to serve in a covert role.
*From an NBC news site.*
WASHINGTON — An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.
The summary is part of an attachment to Fitzgerald's memorandum to the court supporting his recommendation that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former top aide, spend 2-1/2 to 3 years in prison for obstructing the CIA leak investigation.
The nature of Plame's CIA employment never came up in Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice trial.
Undercover travel
The unclassified summary of Plame's employment with the CIA at the time that syndicated columnist Robert Novak published her name on July 14, 2003 says, "Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."
Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
The employment history indicates that while she was assigned to CPD, Plame, "engaged in temporary duty travel overseas on official business." The report says, "she traveled at least seven times to more than ten times." When overseas Plame traveled undercover, "sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias -- but always using cover -- whether official or non-official (NOC)-- with no ostensible relationship to the CIA."
You stated the person who outed Valerie Plame was guilty of treason.

It's obvious Robert Novak outed Valerie Plame.

Thus, you state Robert Novak is guilty of treason, right?

Say it. "Robert Novak is guilty of treason."

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#3466 Feb 27, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
The reporter being able to shield a source is a freedom of the press issue. The attempt to draw an analogy with the second is a bit of false equivalency.
I assume you are speaking against enhancing the data base for gun licensing and registration.
In New York a newspaper has claimed the right to publish the names of concealed gun permit holders . A notion that is not in my view valid. The correct placement of a 'firewall' is between the gov't and public disclosure of information. Rather than between the gun owner and the Gov't .
Does the person speaking have the responsibility of maintaining the classification they know to exist?
Does the person speaking have the right to dissimenate private information they acquired through some illegal means (the government issuing private information on individuals is illegal) knowing it to be private information?

As a hypothetical example, if your wife, who is allowed to refuse to testify against you in court, assumes she has privacy, and mutters to herself about you confessing to her you have sex with animals, and a reporter is eavesdropping on her and recording her mutterings, do they have the right to make your confession to having sex with animals public?

au contraire

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#3467 Feb 27, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>Why? The tax code already favors business and the rich.
Why didn't Obama change it during his first two years.........oh yeah, he's one of the rich.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#3468 Feb 27, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>With WTI sold at a large discount compared to Brent you will find that domestic and Canadian crude has mad a big difference.
No new pipelines such as Keystone , blocked by Obama , and no chance of regulatory approval of an eastern pipeline out of Oklahoma has caused a surplus of North American crude.
Duh! American oil product exports are climbing higher and higher ... and so, apparently, is wingnuz stupidity!
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#3469 Feb 27, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
Does the person speaking have the responsibility of maintaining the classification they know to exist?
Does the person speaking have the right to dissimenate private information they acquired through some illegal means (the government issuing private information on individuals is illegal) knowing it to be private information?
As a hypothetical example, if your wife, who is allowed to refuse to testify against you in court, assumes she has privacy, and mutters to herself about you confessing to her you have sex with animals, and a reporter is eavesdropping on her and recording her mutterings, do they have the right to make your confession to having sex with animals public?
What the hell? What's the obsession with animal sex you clearly are on the wrong forum - yesickmoron

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