People do not need assault weapons: d...

People do not need assault weapons: defense secretary

There are 4995 comments on the Reuters story from Jan 17, 2013, titled People do not need assault weapons: defense secretary. In it, Reuters reports that:

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta joined the gun control debate on Thursday when he told troops at a military base in Italy that only soldiers needed armor-piercing bullets or assault weapons.

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Voluntarist

United States

#2376 Feb 9, 2013
In 1941, U.S. Attorney General
Robert Jackson called on Congress to
enact national registration of all firearms.8 Given events
in Europe, Congress recoiled, and legislation was
introduced to protect the Second Amendment. Rep. Edwin
Arthur Hall explained: "Before the advent of Hitler or
Stalin, who took power from the German and Russian
people, measures were thrust upon the free legislatures of
those countries to deprive the people of the possession
and use of firearms, so that they could not resist the
encroachments of such diabolical and vitriolic state police
organizations as the Gestapo, the Ogpu, and the Cheka." 9
Rep. John W. Patman added: "The people have a right to
keep arms; therefore, if we should have some Executive
who attempted to set himself up as dictator or king, the
people can organize themselves together and, with the
arms and ammunition they have, they can properly
protect themselves...." 10
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-...

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#2377 Feb 9, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
And how do you define extremist?
Far-right, pro-gun, making extreme claims (mostly false) about historical facts.

Their basic position is that if Hitler hadn't taken Jews' guns away, they'd have been able to mount successful resistence against the Nazis. That is obviously bogus, since as the article points out it took 7 million Russian lives just to defeat the Nazis on the EASTERN front.

Duh.

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Take a Looonng Vacation

#2378 Feb 9, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)
Classified guns for "sporting purposes".
All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register
with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted
Nazis from the gun control law.
Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of
firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.
The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to
control by bureaucrats.
Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and
ammunition.
A Gun Contr
This and other succeeding posts are spam, unsupported, and largely non-factual. You cannot contradict the facts I've presented in the Salon piece, so you fill the board with crap you dredged off some gunner website.

Dishonest, and disreputable. Dismissed.

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Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#2379 Feb 9, 2013
Furthermore, using the actions of Hitler and the Nazi Party to try to define the gun debate in this country is nothing but the most scurrilous kind of rabble-rousing and demagoguery, and even more odiously, suggests that our own government is comparable to that of the Hitler regime.

So though they pretend to be patriotic, gun-nuts actually end up being anti-American. Again, completely disreputable.
Voluntarist

United States

#2380 Feb 9, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Far-right, pro-gun, making extreme claims (mostly false) about historical facts.
Their basic position is that if Hitler hadn't taken Jews' guns away, they'd have been able to mount successful resistence against the Nazis. That is obviously bogus, since as the article points out it took 7 million Russian lives just to defeat the Nazis on the EASTERN front.
Duh.
So why did hitler even bother?

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to
allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all
conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms
have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would
go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is
a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's
not have any native militia or native police. German troops
alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of
law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and
a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the
entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler , dinner talk on April 11,
1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private
Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated
by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a
new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German
papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke .
Voluntarist

United States

#2381 Feb 9, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
Furthermore, using the actions of Hitler and the Nazi Party to try to define the gun debate in this country is nothing but the most scurrilous kind of rabble-rousing and demagoguery, and even more odiously, suggests that our own government is comparable to that of the Hitler regime.
So though they pretend to be patriotic, gun-nuts actually end up being anti-American. Again, completely disreputable.
What are the factual differences between the nazi government and the us today?

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#2382 Feb 9, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution,
I doubt it.

What was your rank, simpleton?

“have seen the years,”

Since: Mar 10

and the slow parade of fears"

#2383 Feb 9, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
What are the factual differences between the nazi government and the us today?
6,000,000 Jews, among many others.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#2384 Feb 9, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're a "veteran," why the hell don't you stop comparing your OWN COUNTRY TO NAZI GERMANY? Whatever happened there with gun control has NOTHING TO DO WITH AMERICA TODAY.
Why can't you gunner pinheads understand that? You only anger and offend people by acting as if our government is run by Nazis. You disgrace your own service, too.
Nazi Germany was not invented , it was the culmination of events none the least was a faltering economy and inept politicians.

I guess that does not sound like the USA today.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#2385 Feb 9, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
So why did hitler even bother?
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to
allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all
conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms
have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would
go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is
a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's
not have any native militia or native police. German troops
alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of
law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and
a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the
entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler , dinner talk on April 11,
1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private
Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated
by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a
new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German
papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke .
Excellent post.

Least we forget.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#2387 Feb 9, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Far-right, pro-gun, making extreme claims (mostly false) about historical facts.
Their basic position is that if Hitler hadn't taken Jews' guns away, they'd have been able to mount successful resistence against the Nazis. That is obviously bogus, since as the article points out it took 7 million Russian lives just to defeat the Nazis on the EASTERN front.
Duh.
History also shows Jews with guns smuggled in to the Warsaw Ghetto fought , killed and held off the master race Nazis for a full month before being slaughtered.

Better to die with your boots on then herded like sheep to the slaughterhouse.
Voluntarist

United States

#2388 Feb 9, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Far-right, pro-gun, making extreme claims (mostly false) about historical facts.
Their basic position is that if Hitler hadn't taken Jews' guns away, they'd have been able to mount successful resistence against the Nazis. That is obviously bogus, since as the article points out it took 7 million Russian lives just to defeat the Nazis on the EASTERN front.
Duh.
Are far left anti gunners extremists?

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#2389 Feb 9, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Are far left anti gunners extremists?
In the first degree.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#2390 Feb 9, 2013
Doctor My Eyes wrote:
<quoted text>
6,000,000 Jews, among many others.
" Who started out so young and strong , only to surrender."
Voluntarist

United States

#2391 Feb 9, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>History also shows Jews with guns smuggled in to the Warsaw Ghetto fought , killed and held off the master race Nazis for a full month before being slaughtered.
Better to die with your boots on then herded like sheep to the slaughterhouse.
I concur, better to die armed and upright than disarmed on your knees.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#2392 Feb 9, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>Nazi Germany was not invented , it was the culmination of events none the least was a faltering economy and inept politicians.
It was the Allies of WWI stepping on the throat of Germany.

To that extent, USA had its part.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#2393 Feb 9, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>History also shows Jews with guns smuggled in to the Warsaw Ghetto fought , killed and held off the master race Nazis for a full month before being slaughtered.
Actually, that is a big crock of [email protected]

You have watched too many movies.

And the "uprising" of the few Jews would end up (not only not delaying but) accelerating the deportation of Jews in Warsaw into the concentration camps- that many more Jews died BECAUSE of the uprising than were saved...

In actual fact.

Be my guest: check with the Anti-Defamation League League.

So the Jews killed 25 Germans, and the Germans not only shot and killed the 750 associated with the rebellion, they killed many more (some 13,000 in the Ghetto), and packed off 50,000 for extermination.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#2394 Feb 9, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
Least we forget.
Right.

Because the USA is just like NAZI Germany.

Lest we forget: NAZIs were right wingers.
Tray

Pontotoc, MS

#2396 Feb 9, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, that is a big crock of [email protected]
You have watched too many movies.
And the "uprising" of the few Jews would end up (not only not delaying but) accelerating the deportation of Jews in Warsaw into the concentration camps- that many more Jews died BECAUSE of the uprising than were saved...
In actual fact.
Be my guest: check with the Anti-Defamation League League.
So the Jews killed 25 Germans, and the Germans not only shot and killed the 750 associated with the rebellion, they killed many more (some 13,000 in the Ghetto), and packed off 50,000 for extermination.
WOW. Do you ever read what you post? That is the stupidest thing you have wrote lately. It's like standing in front of a bus, don't fight back or do anything and the bus will not hurt you. I heard the same crap about bears, don't shoot them just lay still and they will not hurt you. Try that please. Tell it to the millions that died without fighting back that they really didn't get murdered because they didn't put up a fight. Your stupidity knows no limit. Please please find a bus!
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#2397 Feb 9, 2013
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