People do not need assault weapons: defense secretary

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Defense Secretary Leon Panetta joined the gun control debate on Thursday when he told troops at a military base in Italy that only soldiers needed armor-piercing bullets or assault weapons.

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“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2211 Feb 7, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
As to the machine gun, you have offered NO evidence it was "never found." The government website says it was there. You lose unless you can prove them wrong.
Secondly, saying 'interesting,''I didn't know that,' or talking about legal BARRELs for illegal weapons dosn't prove anything a "mistake" or any information "inaccurate." You simply don't want to deal with facts and try, feebly, to introduce doubt about these weapons to discredit the government's case - doubt which simply doesn't exist.
Your dismissal of Koresh's cult's arsenal has been completely disproven. You need to acknowledge your mistake instead of trying to excuse it.
Dufus, you can't prove a negative.

I suppose you are referencing the website with the plethora of mistakes. That was not a govenment website. That was a left-wing propaganda site.

Did you look at the Congressional Record?
No.
Read the Congressional Record, then come with something of substance, idiot.

arsenal....
The original search warrant listed one illegal weapon. That was a .50 cal M2 heavy machine gun that never existed. All other weapons listed on the search warrant were legal.
So far, there is no credible source that identifies illegal weapons. There is no video or audio evidence of automatic weapons.
There was no use of explosive devices. Now, go read the Congressional Record.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#2212 Feb 7, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to have a problem understanding the Constitution, and the role the National Guard plays in our military system.
The National Guard in each state is subordinate to the governor of that state.
In the default state, the Commander in Chief of any National Guard unit is the governor of the state where that National Guard unit resides. This is true until that National Guard unit is formally activated into the active standing Armed Forces of the United States.
Using the National Guard from Alabama in the state of Texas is the same as Alabama invading Texas.
Perhaps you need to learn just a little more than you currently know to participate in the discussion.
Your idiocy is noted - now read and educate yourself, if possible;

"While there are many components of the National Guard, including the Air National Guard, the common use of the term is to describe the U.S. Army National Guard. Each state has its own Guard troops, which can be activated by the governor of that state in the case of disaster or other emergency, such as a hurricane or terrorist attack.

The National Guard is supposed to do just what its name says, "guard the nation." Yet, it usually does so one state at a time. The name is somewhat confusing to people who may not remember their civics lessons. Many people assume that because it is called the "National" Guard, it is under federal control.

In fact, the federal government, as well as other state governments, may not take control of troops or send in outside National Guard troops unless the governor of a state under emergency requests outside assistance. In times of trouble, some people express outrage over this fact, especially if the governor does not act quickly, but there is good reason for this policy.

Essentially, this rule is in place, and the Posse Comitatus Act was developed, to insure that the federal government could not use armed military troops against U.S. citizens. After the Civil War, Congress created the Posse Comitatus Act, intended to protect America's longstanding precedent of keeping military and civilian power separate. The PCA prohibits armed federal forces, including the National Guard, from being used in a domestic manner except under specific circumstances."

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-national-...

Why not stop telling people what you THINK - and prove what you say with links to substantiate your outrageous claims?

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2213 Feb 7, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
As to the machine gun, you have offered NO evidence it was "never found." The government website says it was there. You lose unless you can prove them wrong.
Secondly, saying 'interesting,''I didn't know that,' or talking about legal BARRELs for illegal weapons dosn't prove anything a "mistake" or any information "inaccurate." You simply don't want to deal with facts and try, feebly, to introduce doubt about these weapons to discredit the government's case - doubt which simply doesn't exist.
Your dismissal of Koresh's cult's arsenal has been completely disproven. You need to acknowledge your mistake instead of trying to excuse it.
I did not "dismiss" Vernon Howel's cult. I don't like cults. I don't tolerate any cult forcing their ideology on any unwilling person. In truth, cults scare me. It's like the cult following Obama. Their disregard for the Constitution scares me.
That is very, very different than thinking the government should violate the law and eliminate them. I don't like the so-called "new" Black Panthers. But, they have every right to exist.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2214 Feb 7, 2013
TonyT1961 wrote:
<quoted text>
Your idiocy is noted - now read and educate yourself, if possible;
"While there are many components of the National Guard, including the Air National Guard, the common use of the term is to describe the U.S. Army National Guard. Each state has its own Guard troops, which can be activated by the governor of that state in the case of disaster or other emergency, such as a hurricane or terrorist attack.
The National Guard is supposed to do just what its name says, "guard the nation." Yet, it usually does so one state at a time. The name is somewhat confusing to people who may not remember their civics lessons. Many people assume that because it is called the "National" Guard, it is under federal control.
In fact, the federal government, as well as other state governments, may not take control of troops or send in outside National Guard troops unless the governor of a state under emergency requests outside assistance. In times of trouble, some people express outrage over this fact, especially if the governor does not act quickly, but there is good reason for this policy.
Essentially, this rule is in place, and the Posse Comitatus Act was developed, to insure that the federal government could not use armed military troops against U.S. citizens. After the Civil War, Congress created the Posse Comitatus Act, intended to protect America's longstanding precedent of keeping military and civilian power separate. The PCA prohibits armed federal forces, including the National Guard, from being used in a domestic manner except under specific circumstances."
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-national-...
Why not stop telling people what you THINK - and prove what you say with links to substantiate your outrageous claims?
Ok. Just what don't you understand about this:

The National Guard in each state is subordinate to the governor of that state.
In the default state, the Commander in Chief of any National Guard unit is the governor of the state where that National Guard unit resides. This is true until that National Guard unit is formally activated into the active standing Armed Forces of the United States.
Using the National Guard from Alabama in the state of Texas is the same as Alabama invading Texas.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2215 Feb 7, 2013
TonyT1961 wrote:
<quoted text>
Your idiocy is noted - now read and educate yourself, if possible;
"While there are many components of the National Guard, including the Air National Guard, the common use of the term is to describe the U.S. Army National Guard. Each state has its own Guard troops, which can be activated by the governor of that state in the case of disaster or other emergency, such as a hurricane or terrorist attack.
The National Guard is supposed to do just what its name says, "guard the nation." Yet, it usually does so one state at a time. The name is somewhat confusing to people who may not remember their civics lessons. Many people assume that because it is called the "National" Guard, it is under federal control.
In fact, the federal government, as well as other state governments, may not take control of troops or send in outside National Guard troops unless the governor of a state under emergency requests outside assistance. In times of trouble, some people express outrage over this fact, especially if the governor does not act quickly, but there is good reason for this policy.
Essentially, this rule is in place, and the Posse Comitatus Act was developed, to insure that the federal government could not use armed military troops against U.S. citizens. After the Civil War, Congress created the Posse Comitatus Act, intended to protect America's longstanding precedent of keeping military and civilian power separate. The PCA prohibits armed federal forces, including the National Guard, from being used in a domestic manner except under specific circumstances."
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-national-...
Why not stop telling people what you THINK - and prove what you say with links to substantiate your outrageous claims?
As a point of note, the Posse Comitatus Law no longer exists. Obama signed it away.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2216 Feb 7, 2013
Chicagoan by Birth wrote:
<quoted text>BS, that's exactly not why citizens are armed?? As a 'professor' you are sadly lacking in knowledge of the Second Amendment. But as a 16 yr. old high schooler, we understand. The Second Amendment is the second, to protect the First Anendment. Also to protect citizens from a tyrannical government.
The "perfesser" is ignorant of the Declaration of Independence, where it states:

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#2217 Feb 7, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok. Just what don't you understand about this:
The National Guard in each state is subordinate to the governor of that state.
In the default state, the Commander in Chief of any National Guard unit is the governor of the state where that National Guard unit resides. This is true until that National Guard unit is formally activated into the active standing Armed Forces of the United States.
Using the National Guard from Alabama in the state of Texas is the same as Alabama invading Texas.
I see you read only what you wish to read - but left out the last sentence;

"The PCA prohibits armed federal forces, including the National Guard, from being used in a domestic manner except under specific circumstances."

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#2218 Feb 7, 2013
Chicagoan by Birth wrote:
<quoted text>BS, that's exactly not why citizens are armed?? As a 'professor' you are sadly lacking in knowledge of the Second Amendment. But as a 16 yr. old high schooler, we understand. The Second Amendment is the second, to protect the First Anendment. Also to protect citizens from a tyrannical government.
Read the goddamned thing, idiot:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

"The SECURITY of a free state." Do you know what "security" means, dumbass? It means keeping the peace, preventing crimes, quelling sedition and revolts, etc.

It is NOT about protecting citizens FROM the government. You are a LIAR.

Sit down and shut up.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#2219 Feb 7, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
The "perfesser" is ignorant of the Declaration of Independence, where it states:
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Liar, I've read it a thousand times. I also know it's not LAW and it's not the CONSTITUTION. It indicates why we rebelled against Britain.

A goddamned terrorist supporter doesn't get to lecture me on the meaning of our Founding documents, scumbucket. GFY.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#2220 Feb 7, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
As a point of note, the Posse Comitatus Law no longer exists. Obama signed it away.
Once again, you are a liar. Posse Comitatus is still federal law, and was never "signed away" by Mr. Obama or anyone else.

Why do you lie so much? Just trying to make reality resemble your own twisted, hateful, un-American views?

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#2221 Feb 7, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to have a problem understanding the Constitution, and the role the National Guard plays in our military system.
The National Guard in each state is subordinate to the governor of that state.
In the default state, the Commander in Chief of any National Guard unit is the governor of the state where that National Guard unit resides. This is true until that National Guard unit is formally activated into the active standing Armed Forces of the United States.
Using the National Guard from Alabama in the state of Texas is the same as Alabama invading Texas.
Perhaps you need to learn just a little more than you currently know to participate in the discussion.
LOL..you're a complete nutball. YOu have no credibility here, so I'm hardly concerned with what you think I know or don't know.

I do find your pretensions amusing, given your own ignorance and extremism, though...:)
rightwing NUT

Gwinn, MI

#2222 Feb 7, 2013
David Koresh (born Vernon Wayne Howell; August 17, 1959 April 19, 1993) was the leader of the Branch Davidians religious sect, believing himself to be its final prophet. In 1983 he began claiming the gift of prophecy. It is speculated[by whom?] that Koresh had a sexual relationship with Lois Roden, the prophetess and leader of the sect who was then 76 years old, eventually claiming that God had chosen him to father a child with her, who would be the Chosen One.[3] In 1983, Roden allowed Koresh to begin teaching his own message which caused controversy in the group. Lois Roden's son George Roden intended to be the group's next leader and considered Koresh an interloper. When Koresh announced that God had instructed him to marry Rachel Jones (who then added Koresh to her name), there was a short period of calm at Mount Carmel, but it proved only temporary. In the ensuing power struggle, George Roden, claiming to have the support of the majority of the group, forced Koresh and his group off the property at gunpoint. Disturbed by the events and the move away from the philosophy of the community's founders, a further splinter group led by Charles Joseph Pace moved out of Mount Carmel and set up home in Gadsden, Alabama.

By late 1987, George Roden's support was severely withering. To regain it, he challenged Koresh to a contest to raise the dead, going so far as to exhume a corpse to demonstrate his spiritual supremacy. Koresh went to authorities to file charges against Roden for illegally exhuming a corpse, but was told he would have to show proof (such as a photograph of the corpse). Koresh seized the opportunity to seek criminal prosecution of Roden by returning to Mount Carmel with seven armed followers attempting to get photographic proof of the crime. Koresh's group was discovered by Roden and a gunfight broke out. When the sheriff arrived, Roden had already suffered a minor gunshot wound and was pinned down behind a tree. As a result of the incident, Koresh and his followers were charged with attempted murder. At the trial, Koresh explained that he went to Mount Carmel to uncover evidence of criminal disturbance of a corpse by Roden. Koresh's followers were acquitted, and in Koresh's case a mistrial was declared.

In 1989 Roden murdered Wayman Dale Adair with an axe blow to the skull after Adair stated his belief that he (Adair) was the true Messiah.[7] Roden was convicted of murder and imprisoned in a mental hospital at Vernon, Texas. Since Roden owed thousands of dollars in unpaid taxes on Mount Carmel, Koresh and his followers were able to raise the money and reclaim the property. Roden continued to harass the Koresh faction by filing legal papers while imprisoned. When Koresh and his followers reclaimed Mt. Carmel, they discovered that tenants who had rented from Roden had left behind a methamphetamine laboratory, which Koresh reported to the local police department and asked to have removed.[8][
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh
Besara

Des Moines, IA

#2223 Feb 7, 2013
rider wrote:
David Koresh (born Vernon Wayne Howell; August 17, 1959 April 19, 1993) was the leader of the Branch Davidians religious sect, believing himself to be its final prophet. In 1983 he began claiming the gift of prophecy. It is speculated[by whom?] that Koresh had a sexual relationship with Lois Roden, the prophetess and leader of the sect who was then 76 years old, eventually claiming that God had chosen him to father a child with her, who would be the Chosen One.[3] In 1983, Roden allowed Koresh to begin teaching his own message which caused controversy in the group. Lois Roden's son George Roden intended to be the group's next leader and considered Koresh an interloper. When Koresh announced that God had instructed him to marry Rachel Jones (who then added Koresh to her name), there was a short period of calm at Mount Carmel, but it proved only temporary. In the ensuing power struggle, George Roden, claiming to have the support of the majority of the group, forced Koresh and his group off the property at gunpoint. Disturbed by the events and the move away from the philosophy of the community's founders, a further splinter group led by Charles Joseph Pace moved out of Mount Carmel and set up home in Gadsden, Alabama.
By late 1987, George Roden's support was severely withering. To regain it, he challenged Koresh to a contest to raise the dead, going so far as to exhume a corpse to demonstrate his spiritual supremacy. Koresh went to authorities to file charges against Roden for illegally exhuming a corpse, but was told he would have to show proof (such as a photograph of the corpse). Koresh seized the opportunity to seek criminal prosecution of Roden by returning to Mount Carmel with seven armed followers attempting to get photographic proof of the crime. Koresh's group was discovered by Roden and a gunfight broke out. When the sheriff arrived, Roden had already suffered a minor gunshot wound and was pinned down behind a tree. As a result of the incident, Koresh and his followers were charged with attempted murder. At the trial, Koresh explained that he went to Mount Carmel to uncover evidence of criminal disturbance of a corpse by Roden. Koresh's followers were acquitted, and in Koresh's case a mistrial was declared.
In 1989 Roden murdered Wayman Dale Adair with an axe blow to the skull after Adair stated his belief that he (Adair) was the true Messiah.[7] Roden was convicted of murder and imprisoned in a mental hospital at Vernon, Texas. Since Roden owed thousands of dollars in unpaid taxes on Mount Carmel, Koresh and his followers were able to raise the money and reclaim the property. Roden continued to harass the Koresh faction by filing legal papers while imprisoned. When Koresh and his followers reclaimed Mt. Carmel, they discovered that tenants who had rented from Roden had left behind a methamphetamine laboratory, which Koresh reported to the local police department and asked to have removed.[8][
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh
So did you torture Alisha Owen as well?

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2224 Feb 7, 2013
TonyT1961 wrote:
<quoted text>
I see you read only what you wish to read - but left out the last sentence;
"The PCA prohibits armed federal forces, including the National Guard, from being used in a domestic manner except under specific circumstances."
You avoid identifying who has the authority of the Commander in Chief of any National Guard unit that has not been formally activated. I'll give you some history on activation of National Guard units:

George Wallace attempted to use the National Guard unit under his authority to prevent black students from entering the University of Alabama. Lyndon Johnson used his authority to FORMALLY ACTIVATE that National Guard unit, thus removing the governor of Alabama as the Commander in Chief of that unit, and replacing that authority with the President of the United States. It was necessary for Johnson to formally activate that unit to change the authority over that unit from the governor to the president.

During the Vietnam War, ZERO National Guard units were activated and sent to Vietnam.

Many National Guard units were formally activated during the Gulf War.

Now that you have a better understanding of how the command structure of the National Guard works, please comment on the use of a National Guard unit from Alabama in the state of Texas.
If that National Guard unit had not been formally activated into the standing Armed Forces of the United States, then the Commander in Chief of that National Guard unit was the Governor of Alabama. Thus, the state of Alabama invaded the state of Texas.
You don't see anything wrong with that?
rightwing NUT

Gwinn, MI

#2225 Feb 7, 2013
The CIA School of Assassination at Fort Bragg

http://ciaschool.tripod.com/

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2226 Feb 7, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL..you're a complete nutball. YOu have no credibility here, so I'm hardly concerned with what you think I know or don't know.
I do find your pretensions amusing, given your own ignorance and extremism, though...:)
You definitely have the correct avitar. What happened to Stewie?

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2227 Feb 7, 2013
rightwing NUT wrote:
David Koresh (born Vernon Wayne Howell; August 17, 1959 April 19, 1993) was the leader of the Branch Davidians religious sect, believing himself to be its final prophet. In 1983 he began claiming the gift of prophecy. It is speculated[by whom?] that Koresh had a sexual relationship with Lois Roden, the prophetess and leader of the sect who was then 76 years old, eventually claiming that God had chosen him to father a child with her, who would be the Chosen One.[3] In 1983, Roden allowed Koresh to begin teaching his own message which caused controversy in the group. Lois Roden's son George Roden intended to be the group's next leader and considered Koresh an interloper. When Koresh announced that God had instructed him to marry Rachel Jones (who then added Koresh to her name), there was a short period of calm at Mount Carmel, but it proved only temporary. In the ensuing power struggle, George Roden, claiming to have the support of the majority of the group, forced Koresh and his group off the property at gunpoint. Disturbed by the events and the move away from the philosophy of the community's founders, a further splinter group led by Charles Joseph Pace moved out of Mount Carmel and set up home in Gadsden, Alabama.
By late 1987, George Roden's support was severely withering. To regain it, he challenged Koresh to a contest to raise the dead, going so far as to exhume a corpse to demonstrate his spiritual supremacy. Koresh went to authorities to file charges against Roden for illegally exhuming a corpse, but was told he would have to show proof (such as a photograph of the corpse). Koresh seized the opportunity to seek criminal prosecution of Roden by returning to Mount Carmel with seven armed followers attempting to get photographic proof of the crime. Koresh's group was discovered by Roden and a gunfight broke out. When the sheriff arrived, Roden had already suffered a minor gunshot wound and was pinned down behind a tree. As a result of the incident, Koresh and his followers were charged with attempted murder. At the trial, Koresh explained that he went to Mount Carmel to uncover evidence of criminal disturbance of a corpse by Roden. Koresh's followers were acquitted, and in Koresh's case a mistrial was declared.
In 1989 Roden murdered Wayman Dale Adair with an axe blow to the skull after Adair stated his belief that he (Adair) was the true Messiah.[7] Roden was convicted of murder and imprisoned in a mental hospital at Vernon, Texas. Since Roden owed thousands of dollars in unpaid taxes on Mount Carmel, Koresh and his followers were able to raise the money and reclaim the property. Roden continued to harass the Koresh faction by filing legal papers while imprisoned. When Koresh and his followers reclaimed Mt. Carmel, they discovered that tenants who had rented from Roden had left behind a methamphetamine laboratory, which Koresh reported to the local police department and asked to have removed.[8][
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh
"...imprisoned in a mental hospital at Vernon, Texas."

I couldn't help but notice the irony there. I'll bet that really drove him crazy.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2228 Feb 7, 2013
Besara wrote:
<quoted text>So did you torture Alisha Owen as well?
NAH! Just Paul Bonacci!
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2229 Feb 7, 2013
The Franklin Cover-Up & Johnny Gosch Story .
Besara

Des Moines, IA

#2230 Feb 7, 2013
rider wrote:
The Franklin Cover-Up & Johnny Gosch Story . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =mXiKIlh3dqgXX
Why did you support John Joubert?

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