People do not need assault weapons: d...

People do not need assault weapons: defense secretary

There are 4995 comments on the Reuters story from Jan 17, 2013, titled People do not need assault weapons: defense secretary. In it, Reuters reports that:

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta joined the gun control debate on Thursday when he told troops at a military base in Italy that only soldiers needed armor-piercing bullets or assault weapons.

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Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#2121 Feb 6, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
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"anti-war" was just a myth and part of the system of propaganda lies created by the enemies of the United States.
The truth is, anyone who is truthfully anti war will not make folk heroes of militant despots engaging in war against the United States, like the supposedly "anti-war" hippies did.
Anti war is just that: anti war.
Fole heroes of the hippies:
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Here is a bit of your previous post

"McVeigh's motivation was not just about Waco. Waco was the second case when the US government assassinated innocent Americans. Had Waco been just the first case, and not the repeat of the crime, which can be interpreted as a permenant change to our government with regartd to its propensity to assassinate innocent Americans, it is arguable that the OKC bombing would never have happened."

Two observations It appears in this post that you give slack to Mcveigh, claiming his motivations were valid but he just overacted.....
And it also appears that you are claiming Koresh was some how an innocent victim, he was a criminal pure and simple ,however a majority of those who died were innocent, guilty by association? no that would be quite unfair.
How about the four who died at Kent were they pacifists who's anti -war claim would be valid, or was every one who may have participated in any way, in your view guilty by association? Because of agreement in some way with a radical were they guilty and their deaths just?

It would appear that you have answered me this way .
The death of a radical right winger is cause for revolt.
The death of some left winger isn't even an unfortunate over re-action on the part of Gov't?

We may have found the root of the difference in our definitions of the terms we are using
You apply differing definitions for the same word depending upon the political motive of the person we are discussing.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2122 Feb 6, 2013
TerryE wrote:
Most people don't realize that before joining the German Worker's party, Hitler was involved with the Communist party and the short lived Bavarian Soviet. Socialists and collectivists hard a hard time selling socialism after one of the greatest criminals was one. So they cast Hitler as a die hard enemy of socialism and communism. Also what people don't understand is the amount of infighting that goes on between these groups. Look back to the Spanish Civil War and the story of George Orwell (Then a communist)
who was marked for death by another communist group. Not the enemy! But like minded fellow travelers. Look at the Russian Revolution with the fights between the Leninist and the Trotskyites. A It's all about how much they want to push you around.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
Excellent piece, Terry.

Comments, anyone?

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#2124 Feb 6, 2013
TerryE wrote:
Most people don't realize that before joining the German Worker's party, Hitler was involved with the Communist party and the short lived Bavarian Soviet. Socialists and collectivists hard a hard time selling socialism after one of the greatest criminals was one. So they cast Hitler as a die hard enemy of socialism and communism. Also what people don't understand is the amount of infighting that goes on between these groups. Look back to the Spanish Civil War and the story of George Orwell (Then a communist)
who was marked for death by another communist group. Not the enemy! But like minded fellow travelers. Look at the Russian Revolution with the fights between the Leninist and the Trotskyites. A It's all about how much they want to push you around.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
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Your claim about Hitler having a youthful interest in communism is correct.
More than being interested in any ideology as a political template he saw politics as a vehicle to obtain power, absolute power.. In inside the Third Reich Albert Speer recalls Hitler in private answering a question about political constancy by saying "I am what works..."

You also said that Hitler was 'cast' as a die hard enemy of Communism.
Read what Hitler himself said about Communism.
Read 'Inside the third Reich'. Better yet read any number of books written by those who were there. Iin the planning of 'Barbarossa' Hitler was blunt in saying that this was a war to kill Communism and to Kill the last of Europe's jews.Gen. Guderian described it as 'savage nonsense'
The Generals the Nazi politico's all knew that the war in Russia was designed to ' consign Socialism to the dust bin of history...Hitler cast himself as the ultimate enemy of Communism...
This revisionist version had not gained enough creditability to be considered a crack pot theory until the American right wing decided to attempt to redefine Hitler...why ?
Read the history as described by the people who had lived it...
I am some what confused by your President being elected by dead men
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2126 Feb 6, 2013
Fascism: Left Wing or Right Wing?
by Antifascist
A very popular argument by the Right is say that the Nazis were Leftwing, when in fact they were Rightwing in both Germany and the United States.

The Nazis were pro-Christian, anti-communist, certainly anti-Marxist, imprisoned atheist and labor leaders--that sounds right-wing to me! So since the Nazis embraced the Catholic Church (and the Church embraced Hitler), should we call Christianity fascist? And why did the Nazis view "liberals" as their enemy?

In America, German Fascism dazzled many American leaders of capitalist industry. They were William Randolph Hearst, Joseph Kennedy(JFK’s father), Charles Lindbergh, John Rockefeller, Andrew Mellon(head of Alcoa, banker, and Secretary of Treasury), DuPont, General Motors, Standard Oil (now Exxon), Henry Ford, ITT, Allen Dulles (later head of the CIA), Prescott Bush (don’t forget him), National City Bank, and General Electric http://www.oldamericancentury.org/whitepapers...

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#2127 Feb 6, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
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Eww, no, go away. Surrender to authorities, pervert.
Professor you may have been too polite
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2128 Feb 6, 2013
Father of Prescott Sheldon Bush, grandfather to George Herbert Walker Bush (Poppy), great-grandfather to George Walker Bush (Dubya).

Sam Bush was in his era to Remington Arms what Dick Cheney is to Halliburton in ours. Son of an Episcopal minister, he switched to a darker religion. Sam started out as low-management for railroads, where he made the connections needed to move over to Buckeye Steel Castings Company. Buckeye harbored railroad strike-breaker sentiment from the president on down. It's founder was member of the "Cleveland Gatling Gun Battery",[1] called a military and social organization, set up in 1878, the year after nationwide railroad strikes.

This guns and railroad connection returns for World War I, when Buckeye Steel produced gun barrels and shell casings, and Sam Bush was moved by his patrons into the position of chief of the Ordnance, Small Arms and Ammunition Section of the War Industries Board. Bush took national responsibility for government assistance to and relations with Remington and other weapons companies.[2] This was during the time that Buckeye Steel was casting gun barrels and Bush was president of Buckeye.

Preacher's son Bush looks innocent until you are informed that his patron, Percy Rockefeller took control of Remington Arms in 1914. Frank Rockefeller was president of Buckeye Steel for three years from 1905-1908, followed by Sam Bush from 1908-1927, throughout the WWI years and the gunbarrel sales era of Buckeye.[3] In 1915 a new Remington plant was constructed, operational by 1916 for the first world war, just in time to get a million rifle order from Russia.[4],[5] 67% of all the ammunition used in WWI by the US, Britain and Russia was sold by "Merchants of Death" Remington. Somebody got a no-bid contract on gun barrels for their company.

Pumping up nations war aspirations is good business for some, and the Bush family has been engaged in it for four generations.

Samuel Bush donated a son Prescott Sheldon Bush to the marriage of Dorothy Walker, daughter of George Herbert Walker. The name Walker thence comes in the middle of two George Bush presidents.

See George Herbert Walker's story for the other half of this history of where Bush Family Values were created.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2129 Feb 6, 2013
BBC Radio 4 investigation sheds new light on a major subject that has received little historical attention, the conspiracy on behalf of a group of influential powerbrokers, led by Prescott Bush, to overthrow FDR and implement a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. based around the ideology of Mussolini and Hitler.

In 1933, Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

According to the BBC, the plotters intended to impose a fascist takeover and "Adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression."
The proven record of Prescott Bush's involvement in financing the Nazi war machine dovetails with the fact that he was part of a criminal cabal that actively sought to impose a fascist coup in America.

Prescott did not succeed but many would argue that two generations down the line the mission has all but been accomplished.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007...
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2131 Feb 6, 2013
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#2132 Feb 6, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
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What do you call the government assassinating innocent Americans?
Don't play games...Say what the f*ck you mean.....?
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2134 Feb 6, 2013
1954, Guatemala - CIA & the United Fruit Company, Jacobo Arbenz .
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2135 Feb 6, 2013
The 1953 CIA Coup in Iran and U.S. Intervention
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2136 Feb 6, 2013
War on Democracy - US backed 1973 coup in Chile .

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2137 Feb 6, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Don't play games...Say what the f*ck you mean.....?
The Congressional Record records two specific instances when the government assassinated innocent Americans.

What do you call the government assassinating innocent Americans?

Is that part of a war the govenment is waging against some element in the country?

Answer the question, dufus.

And, how about you provide a comment about the obvious fact the government assassinated innocent Americans.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2138 Feb 6, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
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Here is a bit of your previous post
"McVeigh's motivation was not just about Waco. Waco was the second case when the US government assassinated innocent Americans. Had Waco been just the first case, and not the repeat of the crime, which can be interpreted as a permenant change to our government with regartd to its propensity to assassinate innocent Americans, it is arguable that the OKC bombing would never have happened."
Two observations It appears in this post that you give slack to Mcveigh, claiming his motivations were valid but he just overacted.....
And it also appears that you are claiming Koresh was some how an innocent victim, he was a criminal pure and simple ,however a majority of those who died were innocent, guilty by association? no that would be quite unfair.
How about the four who died at Kent were they pacifists who's anti -war claim would be valid, or was every one who may have participated in any way, in your view guilty by association? Because of agreement in some way with a radical were they guilty and their deaths just?
It would appear that you have answered me this way .
The death of a radical right winger is cause for revolt.
The death of some left winger isn't even an unfortunate over re-action on the part of Gov't?
We may have found the root of the difference in our definitions of the terms we are using
You apply differing definitions for the same word depending upon the political motive of the person we are discussing.
What do you mean "slack"?
McVeigh bombed a government building where 180 people were killed.
McVeigh bombed the building because the government assassinated innocent Americans.
It was my opinion that if there had been only the Waco incident, and Waco was not a repeat of the government assassinating innocent Americans, then it would not have appeared as if the government had changed to a government that has a propensity to assassinate innocent Americans, and Waco would have appeared as an isolated incident, and not a pattern of government assassination of innocent Americans.

Once is coincidence. Twice is enemy activity.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2139 Feb 6, 2013
Operation Gladio - Full 1992 documentary BBC
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2140 Feb 6, 2013
Carol Burnett Sings About John Foster Dulles .
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2141 Feb 6, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
The Congressional Record records two specific instances when the government assassinated innocent Americans.
What do you call the government assassinating innocent Americans?
Is that part of a war the govenment is waging against some element in the country?
Answer the question, dufus.
And, how about you provide a comment about the obvious fact the government assassinated innocent Americans.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
1st time I remember was Nov 22,1963!
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2143 Feb 6, 2013
Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.[18]
See also Cuba portal
Body of Secrets
Family Jewels (Central Intelligence Agency)
Operation WASHTUB
Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group
Operation Gladio
Gleiwitz incident
Shelling of Mainila
Lavon Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northw...

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#2144 Feb 6, 2013
rider wrote:
<quoted text> 1st time I remember was Nov 22,1963!
Thus, I used the term "documented".
I am inclined to agree with your assessment, but it is just opinion. The Ruby Ridge and Waco cases are documented cases of the government assassinating innocent Americans.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#2145 Feb 6, 2013
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA): There are two broad categories of documents produced by the agency relevant to our work: field reports from the CIA station in Guatemala (protected from the FOIA by special statute and therefore impossible to obtain without the president's intervention) and "finished intelligence" written by analysts in the Directorate of Intelligence at headquarters in Langley, Virginia. Most of the documents we received from the Guatemala station were the result of unusual circumstances, arising out of the scandal over CIA liaison with Guatemalan officers linked to the murder of a U.S. citizen.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB32/... LMAO!

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