Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws

There are 20 comments on the Bloomberg story from Mar 20, 2012, titled Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws. In it, Bloomberg reports that:

The Justice Department opened an investigation this week into the killing of Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old high school student who was shot dead on Feb.

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“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#9209 Jun 7, 2013
menards wrote:
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LOL! READ THE TRANSCRIPT FOOL! WHO ANSWERED THE PHONE?!?!
The dispatcher (the police stations equivilent to a switchboard operator)....not a cop.

“always”

Since: May 12

Ticklaw

#9210 Jun 7, 2013
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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A municipal employee known as a telephone operator answered the phone.
If one calls a doctor's office is the secretary that answers the phone, a doctor?
Is the janitor employed by the Stanford Police Department, also a cop?
Sanford without a T. The phone was answered by a police dispatcher which is not a 911 operator or a janitor or a doctors office receptionist.

That's probably why they're called police dispatchers.

After a year I was thinking you dummies would have moved beyond what the dispatcher advised George to do. George didn't take the guy's advice anyway did he? The exact time that George disconnected with the dispatcher is known and the exact time the 911 disturbance call came is known. Guess what?

Since: Dec 06

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#9211 Jun 7, 2013
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
A municipal employee known as a telephone operator answered the phone.
If one calls a doctor's office is the secretary that answers the phone, a doctor?
Is the janitor employed by the Stanford Police Department, also a cop?
Again, read the transcript. 1st line, so you dont get lost.

Sanford Police Department...

Since: Dec 06

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#9212 Jun 7, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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The dispatcher (the police stations equivilent to a switchboard operator)....not a cop.
Again, read the transcript. 1st line, so you dont get lost.

Sanford Police Department...

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#9213 Jun 7, 2013
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>Sanford without a T. The phone was answered by a police dispatcher which is not a 911 operator or a janitor or a doctors office receptionist.
That's probably why they're called police dispatchers.
After a year I was thinking you dummies would have moved beyond what the dispatcher advised George to do. George didn't take the guy's advice anyway did he? The exact time that George disconnected with the dispatcher is known and the exact time the 911 disturbance call came is known. Guess what?
Advice from a dispatcher is NOT a lawful order.
You are correct.
Advice CAN be ignored.
It was.
Thanks for pointing that out.
<smile>

Since: Dec 06

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#9214 Jun 7, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> It is slander if you can't prove your claim. Can you personally prove "murder"? Can you prove you claim of molestation? No police charges of molestation has been filed so you might want to be careful on that one too.
LOL!

Since: Dec 06

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#9215 Jun 7, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Trayvon was partaking in ASSAULT and BATTERY,(an illegal activity).
Speaking of lies..... Can you personally >PROVE< this statement? The official record states there is no evidence that Trayvon committed any crimes the night he was murdered. Better call the Zimmerhead defense team, the trial starts monday!
Tray wrote:
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If you must lie and twist facts then you don't have a case to start with.
LOL! Comming from a Zimmerhead, this is hilarius! According to you Zimmerman has no case!

Since: Dec 06

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#9216 Jun 7, 2013
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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Advice from a dispatcher is NOT a lawful order.
You are correct.
Advice CAN be ignored.
It was.
Thanks for pointing that out.
<smile>
And, apparantly, by ignoring the advice of a police dispatcher, one can find themselves facing life in prison. <smile>! I sure hope he's been in contact with the Ese's for some protection, Florida Supermax is no joke. Plus it looks like he put on a good 30-40lbs. More cushin' for the pushin', if you know what I mean.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#9217 Jun 7, 2013
menards wrote:
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Again, read the transcript. 1st line, so you dont get lost.
Sanford Police Department...
What of it? I have read the transcript and listened to the audio file MANY times.

What part of "the dispatcher is NOT a cop" can you NOT comprehend??

"We don't need you to do that" is NOT an order. And even if one was given, Zimmerman would be under NO OBLIGATION to follow any order given from a DISPATCHER.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#9218 Jun 7, 2013
menards wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of lies..... Can you personally >PROVE< this statement? The official record states there is no evidence that Trayvon committed any crimes the night he was murdered. Better call the Zimmerhead defense team, the trial starts monday!
<quoted text>
LOL! Comming from a Zimmerhead, this is hilarius! According to you Zimmerman has no case!
LOL!
What "official record" would that be???
Gotta link?

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#9219 Jun 7, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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LOL!
What "official record" would that be???
Gotta link?
Michael Jackson's "Thriller"?

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#9220 Jun 7, 2013
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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Advice from a dispatcher is NOT a lawful order.
You are correct.
Advice CAN be ignored.
It was.
Thanks for pointing that out.
<smile>
menards wrote:
<quoted text>
And, apparantly, by ignoring the advice of a police dispatcher, one can find themselves facing life in prison.
.
Yep, sure enough.

It's a mystery how you figured that out.
<smile>

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#9221 Jun 7, 2013
menards wrote:
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Again, read the transcript. 1st line, so you dont get lost.
Sanford Police Department...
You need to develop some self-respect.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#9222 Jun 7, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>You need to develop some self-respect.
Baby steps. How about he start with some intellectual honesty first?

“always”

Since: May 12

Ticklaw

#9223 Jun 7, 2013
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
Advice from a dispatcher is NOT a lawful order.
You are correct.
Advice CAN be ignored.
It was.
Thanks for pointing that out.
<smile>
Coming from a guy who's been misspelling Sanford for over a year it doesn't surprise me that you agree.

George said. "OK," disconnected, and then continued pursuing the hooded intruder for a period of time. The periods of time are known, the distances are known. None of George's stories fit.

The reason they don't fit is that they're contrived.

You're just another turd without a clue who is only here to talk trash.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#9225 Jun 7, 2013
menards wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of lies..... Can you personally >PROVE< this statement? The official record states there is no evidence that Trayvon committed any crimes the night he was murdered. Better call the Zimmerhead defense team, the trial starts monday!
<quoted text>
LOL! Comming from a Zimmerhead, this is hilarius! According to you Zimmerman has no case!
If George ignored a lawful order from a police officer then why is he not charged with that also? Once again George does not have to prove anything the state does. I don't have to prove anything because I'm not making claims not backed by the facts (which are proven). An eye witness proves Trayvon committed the crime of assault and battery with intent that night (George) and untill you can prove otherwise his statement stands as evidence (along with his injuries which is physical evidence not just his word). Unless the state wants to claim the injuries were self inflicted (ha ha ha) or someone else was present and caused them then they must acknowledge Trayvon caused them. As reported by the press the judge ORDERED the state not to make claims they can't prove including "police ordered George not to follow". You don't like it? Tell it to the judge.

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#9226 Jun 7, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> If George ignored a lawful order from a police officer then why is he not charged with that also? Once again George does not have to prove anything the state does. I don't have to prove anything because I'm not making claims not backed by the facts (which are proven). An eye witness proves Trayvon committed the crime of assault and battery with intent that night (George) and untill you can prove otherwise his statement stands as evidence (along with his injuries which is physical evidence not just his word). Unless the state wants to claim the injuries were self inflicted (ha ha ha) or someone else was present and caused them then they must acknowledge Trayvon caused them. As reported by the press the judge ORDERED the state not to make claims they can't prove including "police ordered George not to follow". You don't like it? Tell it to the judge.
Wishing U a speedy recovery Tray.

Next time don't bring your fists to a gun fight.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#9227 Jun 7, 2013
menards wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of lies..... Can you personally >PROVE< this statement? The official record states there is no evidence that Trayvon committed any crimes the night he was murdered. Better call the Zimmerhead defense team, the trial starts monday!
<quoted text>
LOL! Comming from a Zimmerhead, this is hilarius! According to you Zimmerman has no case!
Dispatcher
That's the clubhouse, do you know what the-he's near the clubhouse right now?
Zimmerman
Yeah, now he's coming towards me..........At this point George is still in his truck and is being approached by a stranger, so by your claim he could have attacked Trayvon at that point?
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#9228 Jun 7, 2013
George Zimmerman's 911 call transcribed

Trayvon Martin Shooting
March 24, 2012
By: Isabelle Zehnder
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SANFORD, Florida (Isabelle Zehnder reporting)-- Moments before 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by 28-year-old self-proclaimed neighborhood watch captain, George Zimmerman, Zimmerman made a call to 911 which is transcribed below.
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The 911 call was one of Zimmerman's nearly 50 calls in the past year wherein he reported a suspicious black male in his neighborhood. There have been reports of numerous burglaries in the neighborhood.

Trayvon Martin's father, Tracy Martin, also lives in the gated Sanford, Florida neighborhood where his son was shot and killed while walking home from a local convenience store.

Zimmerman:

Weíve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and thereís a real suspicious guy. Itís Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.

This guy looks like heís up to no good or heís on drugs or something. Itís raining and heís just walking around looking about.[00:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?

Zimmerman:

He looks black.

911 dispatcher:

Did you see what he was wearing?

Zimmerman:

Yeah, a dark hoodie like a gray hoodie. He wore jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. Heís here now Ö heís just staring.[00:42]

911 dispatcher:

Heís just walking around the area, the houses? OK.

Zimmerman:

Now heís staring at me.[00:48]

911 dispatcher:

OK, you said thatís 1111 Retreat View or 111?

Zimmerman:

Thatís the clubhouse.

911 dispatcher:

Heís near the clubhouse now?

Zimmerman:

Yeah, now heís coming toward me. Heís got his hands in his waist band.

And heís a black male.[1:03]

911 dispatcher:

How old would you say he is?

Zimmerman:

Heís got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.

911 dispatcher:

Late teens?

Zimmerman:

Uh, huh.

Somethingís wrong with him. Yep, heís coming to check me out.

Heís got something in his hands. I donít know what his deal is.[01:20]

911 dispatcher:

Let me know if he does anything, OK?

Zimmerman:

OK.

911 dispatcher:

Weíve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

Zimmerman:

OK..........
Notice nowhere does the dispatcher inform or advise or order George to retreat from what is clearly an aggressive posture by Trayvon. Did Trayvon have a right to approach and "check out a strange person"?
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#9229 Jun 7, 2013
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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Wishing U a speedy recovery Tray.
Next time don't bring your fists to a gun fight.
Tracy not Trayvon. I carry.

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