Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws

[Aquarius-WY]

Tray wrote:

<quoted text> Sugar Ray Leonard was 5 foot 10 inches less than 165 lbs and 16 years old when he started boxing. Would you care to take him on? Would you call him a girl scout, to his face?

Sugar Ray? Take him on? Fcuk no !!! He pounded the suppoosed world's best pound for pound fighter into a crouch in the corner of the ring with his hands hugging the top of his head pleading "no mas, no mas".

[Dan]

Aquarius-WY wrote:

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WRONG !!! oh failed buttwipe soothsayer.
What I want is our inherent natural right to self defence, with arms if neccessary, to remain intact after this dog and pony railroad show is over. What happens to Zimmerman is inconsequential in that regard, and it is unfortuante that he may be sacrificed to the railroad jobbers.
Grow up buttwipe, this is bigger than even your head, which as big as it is, is currently deep betwixt your hip pockets.

Riiight.

Fact is he did not demonstrate a good case of self defense and his actions were hardly responsible.

I'm not against you in utilizing a gun in terms of self defense Chief....but this example isn't it.

Zimmerman is little more than a punk who overstepped his bounds and had no idea on not only avoid this situation but is culpable for a young boy's death. Screw the man.

[Dan]

Aquarius-WY wrote:

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Oh, so now you have the inside skinny on some sort of handpicked jury and of whom it will consist and what they will do aforehand?
God you display amazing stupidity.

Or amazing foresight.

Many for Zimmerman have been bragging he'll walk.

Hell...given my odds are better as far as I'm concerned in that George is going to share a cell with Bubba soon why not place a bet?

LOL!!!!

[Dan]

Aquarius-WY wrote:

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You think the good doctor from the highlands is playing games with the subject of our natural rights and freedoms? You're a real joker son.
What the hell do you think Zimmerman is doing right now other than "time"? Good God man you're proving yourself to be a real true halfwit. Get out of my foxhole you brainless wonder.
Grow up.

You nor Zimmerman has a natural right or freedom to screw with a kid at night in the fashion he did.

And in your mind apparently it's not even a possibility Trayvon felt his own life in danger from being followed by some strange man?

You're stupid beyond compare asshat.

[Dan]

Aquarius-WY wrote:

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You are blind to the forest because little trees and distractions are in your way son.
Grow up.
Good to know you support our inherent right to self defence though.
I just wish folks like you were not so easily snookered by bullshit and false flag "reports" of so called "evidence". It makes the real thinkers of the defenders of freedom look silly when you get counted amongst their ranks.

Right.

So anytime someone kills another where there are no witnesses around we should just not think critically when they shooter claims self defense.

Right on.

Talk about a simpleton....I bet you got stuck in 7-11 pushing on the "PULL" door for hours because someone switched the sign...LOL!!!

Wait until court dumbass.

[menards]

Aquarius-WY wrote:

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WRONG !!! oh failed buttwipe soothsayer.
What I want is our inherent natural right to self defence, with arms if neccessary, to remain intact after this dog and pony railroad show is over. What happens to Zimmerman is inconsequential in that regard, and it is unfortuante that he may be sacrificed to the railroad jobbers.
Grow up buttwipe, this is bigger than even your head, which as big as it is, is currently deep betwixt your hip pockets.

Zimmermans story has been blown wide open. He's a lyer and a murderer. where have you been??

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action...

[eternal cynic]

menards wrote:

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Zimmermans story has been blown wide open. He's a lyer and a murderer. where have you been??
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action...

You could at least attempt to obtain he same information from a neutral source. They are indeed reporting the same.

The lack of Martin’s DNA on Zimmerman’s gun doesn’t change the case much.

[Tray]

Dan wrote:

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Are we talking about Sugar Ray Leonard dumbfuck?
Or was Trayvon Martin thed reincarnation of Attila the Hun in your dicked up mind.
As it is Sugar Ray would have STILL been a 165 pound KID at 16 IDIOT or are you going to dispute that and lay claim he had the same fighting potential he held as an adult.
LOL!!!!
You clowns who support Zimmerman are lost.

Hey you started it by comparing Trayvon to a 65 pound 5 foot 2 inch girl scout. You started the cap about him being slim so he was not a threat. I countered with an example of a smaller person more than able to inflict a major threat.

[Tray]

Dan wrote:

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Being suspended for school for what he did doens't make him a hardened killer moron.
Nor does the conflict he had at home. He was just a kid friend. And as it is he didn't have to be a saint. Not many kids are loser...but they have the right to grow up and not be hassled by adults whom are loser punks thinking tghey have the right to intgervene in their lives such as Zimmerman did in the fashion he did.
Zimmerman acted as an overzealous punk. Had he stopped, gave a description of his "suspect" that night to tghe police and let them handle their jobs for which they were trained for none of this would have taken place friend. Instead he pushed it open, played the part of a creep and hounded this kid down. He is culpable and there's no doubt in my mind the jury will see it the same.
Now if you other pussies can't see that I suggest you too leave kids walking home the hell alone or you too might find yourself in the hot seat given your judgement skills are lacking as well.

"Conflict at home" ? His own mother said he was out of control and I would wager she knew him much better than you. What EXACTLY did George do to "HASSEL" Trayvon? He simply followed a suspicious person for a few minutes. Is a few minutes considered "hounding"? How is being a concerned neighbor being a creep? In fact that's what George was doing, watching out for creeps and thugs and he found one. Trayvon was no "kid" and he was not walking home, he had no home remember he was kicked out of his home by his own mother. If your neighbor saw a suspicious person around your home and came out to check them out would your neighbor be a creep or a good neighbor concerned for your safety? If that suspicious person then attacked your neighbor who had done nothing but follow and observe till the police they called got there then who would you feel was in the right?

[Tray]

Dan wrote:

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By the way....there's thousands of 17 year old high school kids whom are lanky in stature.
Do they scare you too? Shit...they must. You must be scared of every God damned teenager out there.
Be brave my little CHICKENSHIT.
...they won't bother you if you don't bother them.
LOL!!!!

Do you really need a listing of 17 year old killers, rapist, and muggers? Do you know the average age of gang members in LA, Chicago, New York ect.? You should check the rap sheets of some of those 17 year old "little girl scouts".

[Tray]

Dan wrote:

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Right.
So anytime someone kills another where there are no witnesses around we should just not think critically when they shooter claims self defense.
Right on.
Talk about a simpleton....I bet you got stuck in 7-11 pushing on the "PULL" door for hours because someone switched the sign...LOL!!!
Wait until court dumbass.

Any time there is a victim of a crime such as assault, rape or other violent crime we should interrogate the victim? Your mother gets raped but she is forced to kill him to stop the attack she should be put on trial for murder because no one saw it? If the rapist is under 18 should she just let him continue with the rape for fear of "hurting" a minor?

[Dan]

Tray wrote:

<quoted text> Any time there is a victim of a crime such as assault, rape or other violent crime we should interrogate the victim? Your mother gets raped but she is forced to kill him to stop the attack she should be put on trial for murder because no one saw it? If the rapist is under 18 should she just let him continue with the rape for fear of "hurting" a minor?

The beauty of this I don't have to argue shit with you.

Zimmerman is going down brother. Any arguments will be brought to court on both sides...we've already gone over them here repeatedly.

Myself I'm comfortable enough tol place a wager that Zimmerman won't walk. He might not do life or get a substantial number of years but he's going to be doing time and will be a felon.

His head was up his ass. He made the wrong moves and for that he's responsible.

You can march on and continue thinking as long as there are no real witnesses it's OK to blow someone away only to later claim self defense but you're going to get an education my little putz once you see George get his sentence handed down.

[Tray]

Dan wrote:

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The beauty of this I don't have to argue shit with you.
Zimmerman is going down brother. Any arguments will be brought to court on both sides...we've already gone over them here repeatedly.
Myself I'm comfortable enough tol place a wager that Zimmerman won't walk. He might not do life or get a substantial number of years but he's going to be doing time and will be a felon.
His head was up his ass. He made the wrong moves and for that he's responsible.
You can march on and continue thinking as long as there are no real witnesses it's OK to blow someone away only to later claim self defense but you're going to get an education my little putz once you see George get his sentence handed down.

I love it when people take a stand and make accusations they can't defend. You want to join a debate but only if you don't have to defend your points. I simply asked a few questions, is your stance so weak you can't answer a few questions? To bad the prosecution can't do that. They must provide facts. To bad like you say "there are no real witnesses" so the jury will only hear one story. I wounder what story that will be?

[Dan]

Tray wrote:

<quoted text> I love it when people take a stand and make accusations they can't defend. You want to join a debate but only if you don't have to defend your points. I simply asked a few questions, is your stance so weak you can't answer a few questions? To bad the prosecution can't do that. They must provide facts. To bad like you say "there are no real witnesses" so the jury will only hear one story. I wounder what story that will be?

Listen idiot...they've been answered. After f-ing how many posts I think every angle of this case has been answered you dumbfuck.

Now let's get our lawnchairs ready to watch the show. It won't probably go to court until early 2013 but it will soon be the end of Zimmerman's freedom.

[Tray]

Dan wrote:

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Listen idiot...they've been answered. After f-ing how many posts I think every angle of this case has been answered you dumbfuck.
Now let's get our lawnchairs ready to watch the show. It won't probably go to court until early 2013 but it will soon be the end of Zimmerman's freedom.

No, you rant the same bull you heard on TV. You didn't know Trayvon, you have no idea of what he was capable of. You refuse to examine the facts just propaganda fed to you. The death of a young man is tragic but it happens all across this country every day. Young men like him is why George was there in the first place. Young black men had been breaking in in that community for months. What, were they all girl scouts too? Don't you get it? The reason more people are carrying and the whole reason for neighborhood watches is people are fed up with thugs running wild in the streets. Crime just will not stop by it's self. People are taking back their community's by force if necessary. Why don't you point your anger were it belongs, in the face of those who sent the message to young people that being a thug is cool. Gangsta's way of life is the "IN" thing. How about staying in school, obeying the law, making something of yourself. He had the same chances as everyone else it was his choice which way to go. George is not alone, people all across this country are saying "NO MORE".

[Dan]

Tray wrote:

<quoted text> No, you rant the same bull you heard on TV. You didn't know Trayvon, you have no idea of what he was capable of. You refuse to examine the facts just propaganda fed to you. The death of a young man is tragic but it happens all across this country every day. Young men like him is why George was there in the first place. Young black men had been breaking in in that community for months. What, were they all girl scouts too? Don't you get it? The reason more people are carrying and the whole reason for neighborhood watches is people are fed up with thugs running wild in the streets. Crime just will not stop by it's self. People are taking back their community's by force if necessary. Why don't you point your anger were it belongs, in the face of those who sent the message to young people that being a thug is cool. Gangsta's way of life is the "IN" thing. How about staying in school, obeying the law, making something of yourself. He had the same chances as everyone else it was his choice which way to go. George is not alone, people all across this country are saying "NO MORE".

I have access to the same information you do dumbass.

LOL!!!

[Dr Freud]

Tray wrote:

<quoted text> No, you rant the same bull you heard on TV. You didn't know Trayvon, you have no idea of what he was capable of. You refuse to examine the facts just propaganda fed to you. The death of a young man is tragic but it happens all across this country every day. Young men like him is why George was there in the first place. Young black men had been breaking in in that community for months. What, were they all girl scouts too? Don't you get it? The reason more people are carrying and the whole reason for neighborhood watches is people are fed up with thugs running wild in the streets. Crime just will not stop by it's self. People are taking back their community's by force if necessary. Why don't you point your anger were it belongs, in the face of those who sent the message to young people that being a thug is cool. Gangsta's way of life is the "IN" thing. How about staying in school, obeying the law, making something of yourself. He had the same chances as everyone else it was his choice which way to go. George is not alone, people all across this country are saying "NO MORE".

Well said!
People ought to stop making excuses for the entirely inexcusable.

[Michael Allred]

Dr Freud wrote:

People ought to stop making excuses for the entirely inexcusable.

Exactly. People *should* stop making excuses for Zimmerman.

[Where Is My America]

Tray wrote:

<quoted text> Do you really need a listing of 17 year old killers, rapist, and muggers? Do you know the average age of gang members in LA, Chicago, New York ect.? You should check the rap sheets of some of those 17 year old "little girl scouts".

You have been reading my mind.

I laugh when people bring up he was just 17.

Now , I won't discount that it is a shame to die at seventeen but that being said neither age nor size makes a person.

Flyweight boxers can beat someone twice their size and many a man went off to war at 17.

Once this trial is over one side or the other will claim victory but the real lesson is to avoid conflicts.

From all I have read it appears Martin started a physical conflict and Zimmerman ended it.

I think at the end of the day we will find neither party was completely innocent but now it only matters who's actions were in compliance with the law.

[Tray]

Michael Allred wrote:

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Exactly. People *should* stop making excuses for Zimmerman.

I'm not making excuses for George. I think he should have stayed in his car, he didn't know if Trayvon was armed or not or if he was alone. Had he not had a gun or the chance to reach it things could have been worse for him. But the facts point to George not breaking the law just by following. Making the first physical contact and the only physical contact was Trayvon. When your own mother kicks you out of your home you are not a sweet little girl scout.