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Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws

There are 9850 comments on the Bloomberg story from Mar 20, 2012, titled Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws. In it, Bloomberg reports that:

The Justice Department opened an investigation this week into the killing of Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old high school student who was shot dead on Feb.

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“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#7764 Sep 15, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> A private sale can occur anywhere but not inside a gun show.
Depends on the laws in your state. They are legal in Virginia.
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#7765 Sep 15, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>Seldom any more.
The FFL dealers who pay for tables frown on people walking in and selling not having the same upfront cost.
But they would not be a part of the gun show but private citizens not affiliated with the show so no gun show related loop hole.
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#7766 Sep 15, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Depends on the laws in your state. They are legal in Virginia.
I have never seen the sponsor of a show allow a non licensed person a table to deal guns. That would constitute a business and be under federal law regardless of state law. The feds not enforcing a law is not a loop hole but discretion. I personally would be very careful violating a law that might or might not be enforced. California allows pot shops but they are still federal laws against them and subject to being busted.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#7767 Sep 15, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> But they would not be a part of the gun show but private citizens not affiliated with the show so no gun show related loop hole.
The term "gun show loophole"
was fabricated by left wing politicians and parroted by the left wing media.

It is the same tactic as calling any rifle that is not a bolt action one shot an "assault rifle".

“always”

Since: May 12

Ticklaw

#7768 Sep 15, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> I have never seen the sponsor of a show allow a non licensed person a table to deal guns. That would constitute a business and be under federal law regardless of state law. The feds not enforcing a law is not a loop hole but discretion. I personally would be very careful violating a law that might or might not be enforced. California allows pot shops but they are still federal laws against them and subject to being busted.
It doesn't make any difference what you've seen or haven't and loophole is not my term. As I suggested yesterday you can simply google "gun show arrests" and get hundreds of entries from the various states that allow those shows.

ABC news produced an undercover expose' at a gun show in Virginia just after the Va Tech massacre and their buyer, who was accompanied by an ATF agent purchased over a half dozen weapons including a Glock similar to that used by the Va Tech shooter. No background checks were required, no laws were broken, no one was arrested, all those sales were legal.

Many of the weapons used in crimes in NYC come from those gun shows in Virginia.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#7769 Sep 15, 2012
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't make any difference what you've seen or haven't and loophole is not my term. As I suggested yesterday you can simply google "gun show arrests" and get hundreds of entries from the various states that allow those shows.
ABC news produced an undercover expose' at a gun show in Virginia just after the Va Tech massacre and their buyer, who was accompanied by an ATF agent purchased over a half dozen weapons including a Glock similar to that used by the Va Tech shooter. No background checks were required, no laws were broken, no one was arrested, all those sales were legal.
Many of the weapons used in crimes in NYC come from those gun shows in Virginia.
If NYC was Conditionally correct guns would be purchased there and the NYC police could monitor the situation.

The newest problem NYC faces is the importation of 32oz. sodas from southern states.
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#7770 Sep 15, 2012
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't make any difference what you've seen or haven't and loophole is not my term. As I suggested yesterday you can simply google "gun show arrests" and get hundreds of entries from the various states that allow those shows.
ABC news produced an undercover expose' at a gun show in Virginia just after the Va Tech massacre and their buyer, who was accompanied by an ATF agent purchased over a half dozen weapons including a Glock similar to that used by the Va Tech shooter. No background checks were required, no laws were broken, no one was arrested, all those sales were legal.
Many of the weapons used in crimes in NYC come from those gun shows in Virginia.
Was that right after trying to get a Chevy pickup to blow up or was it after altering some 911 tapes? Let's settle this. Have you personally been to a gun show and tried to buy a gun from a dealer without a background check? A simple yes or no will do.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#7771 Sep 16, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> A private sale can occur anywhere but not inside a gun show. What happens outside or down the street or over the hill is not inside a gun show and is not a gun show loop hole. I've seen a many a gun sale and gun trade at deer camp but that's not called the deer camp loop hole.
Actually you may privately sell your firearms at a gun show. I could rent a table and place some of my firearms up for sale at a gun show. Itís legal and still a private sale. However, I begin to setup frequently and then Iím engaged in the business of selling arms and an FFL would be required to remain legal.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#7772 Sep 16, 2012
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>Private sales do occur inside gun shows, that's the loophole azzhole.
Itís not a loophole. If Iím legally able to sell my arms privately, why not a gun show?

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#7773 Sep 16, 2012
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't make any difference what you've seen or haven't and loophole is not my term. As I suggested yesterday you can simply google "gun show arrests" and get hundreds of entries from the various states that allow those shows.
ABC news produced an undercover expose' at a gun show in Virginia just after the Va Tech massacre and their buyer, who was accompanied by an ATF agent purchased over a half dozen weapons including a Glock similar to that used by the Va Tech shooter. No background checks were required, no laws were broken, no one was arrested, all those sales were legal.
Many of the weapons used in crimes in NYC come from those gun shows in Virginia.
Correct, gun show loophole may not be your term but youíre propagating the incorrect usage of the term.
Tray

Plantersville, MS

#7774 Sep 16, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually you may privately sell your firearms at a gun show. I could rent a table and place some of my firearms up for sale at a gun show. Itís legal and still a private sale. However, I begin to setup frequently and then Iím engaged in the business of selling arms and an FFL would be required to remain legal.
That is a grey area. To set up in a venue where for profit dealers are and a place advertising as a business could make a case for you "dealing". You would be in a place were the public is invited and expected to buy guns, legally that is a business. I have not been to every show in every state but the ones I have been to the sponsors would never let you set up guns without a license. The BATF could raid, shut down, seize inventory, and take into custody any and all involved and that's a risk all I've met will not take. Of course many laws are grey for a reason.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#7775 Sep 16, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> I have never seen the sponsor of a show allow a non licensed person a table to deal guns. That would constitute a business and be under federal law regardless of state law. The feds not enforcing a law is not a loop hole but discretion. I personally would be very careful violating a law that might or might not be enforced. California allows pot shops but they are still federal laws against them and subject to being busted.
A private owner selling his personal firearms at a gun show is no different than him setting up a table at a garage sale and selling them from his driveway. As long as he is not doing it on a regular basis as a form of income he is NOT considered a "dealer". Private sales of firearms are legal in VA regardless of location.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#7776 Sep 16, 2012
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>Since you're not very bright, I'll dumb it down for you.
Did the State of Virginia close the loophole that allowed dealers to sell weapons at gun shows without doing background checks?
Is the BATF second or third hand?
Federally licensed dealers are NOT allowed to sell guns at gun shows without doing a background checks, and they are watched like a hawk by the venue operator and law-enforcement. Private sellers (non-licensed gun owners) are not required to do background checks whether they sell their gun at a gun show, out of the trunk of their car in the parking lot, or out of their living room. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#7777 Sep 16, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct, gun show loophole may not be your term but youíre propagating the incorrect usage of the term.
You're being WAAAAAYYY to kind to him, EC. He is propagating a LIE!

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#7778 Sep 16, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> That is a grey area. To set up in a venue where for profit dealers are and a place advertising as a business could make a case for you "dealing". You would be in a place were the public is invited and expected to buy guns, legally that is a business. I have not been to every show in every state but the ones I have been to the sponsors would never let you set up guns without a license. The BATF could raid, shut down, seize inventory, and take into custody any and all involved and that's a risk all I've met will not take. Of course many laws are grey for a reason.
It all depends on the laws in your particular state, Tray. I work 4-5 gun shows a year here in VA, and private sales are the norm. But that being said, they are NOT the majority. Most sellers of firearms are federally licensed dealers, and some vendors don't sell firearms at all.

“always”

Since: May 12

Ticklaw

#7779 Sep 16, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Federally licensed dealers are NOT allowed to sell guns at gun shows without doing a background checks, and they are watched like a hawk by the venue operator and law-enforcement. Private sellers (non-licensed gun owners) are not required to do background checks whether they sell their gun at a gun show, out of the trunk of their car in the parking lot, or out of their living room. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE.
You're a stooge, gun shows bring buyers and sellers together. In a perfect world the sellers would all be licensed and the buyers all squeaky clean. That's not so because it's been shown over and over that many of the unlicensed sellers are criminals as are many of the buyers.

I'm perpetuating a lie to who? Five second amendment freaks on this lonely ass thread who can't even agree on the freaking laws they pretend to support?

You can google gun show arrests, gun show loophole, gun show violence, gun show criminals or gun show "any word" and find thousands of entries that will raise your blood pressure LMAO.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#7780 Sep 16, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>If NYC was Conditionally correct guns would be purchased there and the NYC police could monitor the situation.
The newest problem NYC faces is the importation of 32oz. sodas from southern states.
Little known fact. NYC Bloombergs real motivation for banning 32 oz sodas was the embarrassing photo taken of him several years ago. He was campaigning in a Bodega standing next to a 32oz soda cup and the next mornings NY Post front page revealed just how close in height the two were.

“always”

Since: May 12

Ticklaw

#7781 Sep 16, 2012
Hugh Crumpler, a local Bass guide inherited a couple of weapons from his father, took them to a gun show to sell and a star was born.

Today Hugh resides in federal prison...he fell in love with the money eventually selling weapons abroad. He was reeled in by the Tampa ATF office and received a lenient sentence for his cooperation with authorities. In other words he ratted out his sources and his buyers.

If you google his name you'll find some interesting photos.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#7782 Sep 16, 2012
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>You're a stooge, gun shows bring buyers and sellers together. In a perfect world the sellers would all be licensed and the buyers all squeaky clean. That's not so because it's been shown over and over that many of the unlicensed sellers are criminals as are many of the buyers.
I'm perpetuating a lie to who? Five second amendment freaks on this lonely ass thread who can't even agree on the freaking laws they pretend to support?
You can google gun show arrests, gun show loophole, gun show violence, gun show criminals or gun show "any word" and find thousands of entries that will raise your blood pressure LMAO.
Only in your f-ed up nanny state world, libtard.

OK genius. I will try to break this down for you as simply as I can. In the state of Virginia, it is LEGAL for a private individual to sell his privately owned firearm to anyone, regardless of his location, as long as he doesn't KNOWINGLY sell that gun to someone who is prohibited from owning it by law. In Virginia, private gun sales are NOT required to have a background check done. PERIOD. So if a PRIVATE SELLER sells his privately owned gun to someone at a gun show....a place he is legally allowed to sell that gun at....how has he gotten around an existing law (used a loophole)???

Answer: HE HASN'T. HENCE, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE!

You got it now, retard???

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#7783 Sep 16, 2012
RuffnReddy wrote:
Hugh Crumpler, a local Bass guide inherited a couple of weapons from his father, took them to a gun show to sell and a star was born.
Today Hugh resides in federal prison...he fell in love with the money eventually selling weapons abroad. He was reeled in by the Tampa ATF office and received a lenient sentence for his cooperation with authorities. In other words he ratted out his sources and his buyers.
If you google his name you'll find some interesting photos.
So someone who was selling guns ILLEGALLY was arrested and is now in jail. Sounds to me like the system worked. What's your point.

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