Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws

Mar 20, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Bloomberg

The Justice Department opened an investigation this week into the killing of Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old high school student who was shot dead on Feb.

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ROFL!!!!
Those injuries were pretty light to claim he was defending himself against a "life threatening situation" and what led him to those injuries isw questionable given he was the pursuer who could have easily led Trayvon to defend himself.
Georges injuries were too light to claim self defense? Just how many wounds did Trayvon get to justify self defense? Let's refer to the physical evidence. Oops Trayvon had no defensive wounds. Looks like George walks and a thug gets to feed the worms.
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Riiiight.
Zimmerman can get new shoes, new suits, new lawyers and have the courtroom freshly painted in his favorite color but it won't change the facts.
That's right, only facts get into the courtroom not racist bull. No "maybe, could be, might have, I didn't see but assume, but Sharpton said so, NBC said so, or once upon a time". You can't provide evidence then it's crap for the state. George walks and gets big checks from NBC, Sharpton, Lee, Jackson, and book and movie deals. Thugs must find a new line of work or feed worms.

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ROFL!!!!
Those injuries were pretty light to claim he was defending himself against a "life threatening situation" and what led him to those injuries isw questionable given he was the pursuer who could have easily led Trayvon to defend himself.
Fractured nose is light? Perhaps he should have waited for more damage to be inflicted before shooting? Another poster with no experience with violent e.counters.
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ROFL!!!!
Those injuries were pretty light to claim he was defending himself against a "life threatening situation" and what led him to those injuries isw questionable given he was the pursuer who could have easily led Trayvon to defend himself.
So you're another person that subscribes to the notion that a victim must wait until they are blacking out, their skull cracks open...or facing one with a knife they have to be stabbed first...or wait for the guy with the gun to shoot first.

When can a woman begin to defend against rape...when she is pinned down..?..after her panties are ripped off..?..criminal has his johnson out..?..or does she have to wait for full penetration...or deposit of his semen..?

Remember, these are the words contained in the law;

"...reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself..."

"...prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony..."

"...imminent danger of death or great bodily harm..."

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Riiiight.
Zimmerman can get new shoes, new suits, new lawyers and have the courtroom freshly painted in his favorite color but it won't change the facts.
Thatís the first factual statement youíve made. The facts donít change with new shoes, lawyers or by painting the courtroom. The evidence still would point to legal self-defense.

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Riiiight.
Zimmerman can get new shoes, new suits, new lawyers and have the courtroom freshly painted in his favorite color but it won't change the facts.
You don't have any "facts", dimbulb. All you have is speculation based on what could have been one possible scenario. Plus, in order to get a guilt on 2nd degree murder, you have to prove malicious intent. Where is your "proof" of such?? There is a TON of reasonable doubt in this case on both sides of the aisle, and guess what that means, genius?? That right...Zimmemrman walks.
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<quoted text> You can't find 12 people on here so just how are you going to find 12 for a jury to say guilty? Remember it only takes one for him to walk but takes 12 to serve time and then he has appeals with 12 more and 12 more. Your tax dollar going to a deep hole.
"Here" is nothing but a majority of biased individuals who would probably find merit in someone shooting another because they accidentally ran their shopping carts into each other at the supermarket....LOL!!!!
And as it is friend 'I' don't have to find 12 jurors....the defense and the prosecution will manage that.
My tax 'dollar'??? Well idiot....it's more important to make sure me or others don't get shot because some gun toting moron thinks he's protecting his life and feels compelled to shoot when he gets pushed for blocking the way to the men's bathroom during halftime at a football gamed...LOL!!! George had all SORTS of options that night not only to avoid the situation but be a man. He chose to act like a punk and it cost a life. Screw him and screw you for being stupid enough to defend the punk.
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<quoted text> Georges injuries were too light to claim self defense? Just how many wounds did Trayvon get to justify self defense? Let's refer to the physical evidence. Oops Trayvon had no defensive wounds. Looks like George walks and a thug gets to feed the worms.
Let's say someone followed you around like a God damned creep at night and would not stop. Let's say they intervened in your path at one or more points. Let's say they never identified themselves but continued their actions in playing a threatening role.

Better to act thanm to wait and see what happens. Most reasonable people with balls will follow that path but maybe you'd go screaming into the woods screaming like a little bitch girl who knows....LOL!!!

There's many plausible and reasonable reasons as to why things went down like they did and they too can point to the fact Trayvon felt endangered.

Don't forget Einstein - it was George following Trayvon around at night like some freakish stalker with a gun.
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<quoted text> Fractured nose is light? Perhaps he should have waited for more damage to be inflicted before shooting? Another poster with no experience with violent e.counters.
ROFL!!!!!!!!!

I saw and read about his wounds. George probably felt his life was in danger when momma spanked his ass for getgting an F in geometry friend. That case in Texas in which that retired fireman blew away a teacher is no better.

Maybe before we issxue concealed permits for guns we should establish the carrier can actually tell a life threatening situation from a scuffle. And as it is George brought that little episode upon HIMSELF so don't forget the facts that will not be denied in court Chief.
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Thatís the first factual statement youíve made. The facts donít change with new shoes, lawyers or by painting the courtroom. The evidence still would point to legal self-defense.
Wanna bet?

LOL!!!!
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You don't have any "facts", dimbulb. All you have is speculation based on what could have been one possible scenario. Plus, in order to get a guilt on 2nd degree murder, you have to prove malicious intent. Where is your "proof" of such?? There is a TON of reasonable doubt in this case on both sides of the aisle, and guess what that means, genius?? That right...Zimmemrman walks.
You dombass....there's a BOATLAOD of facts.

A 17 year old unarmed BOY is shot dead by some busybody punk of a man who felt his life was in danger and killed the kid after he followed him around like a freaking pedophile only to have it end up in a scuffle all of which could have been avoided by the shooter.

Don't pick and choose friend. The court won't.

That fireman in Texas who claimed 'sefl defense' after shooting his neighbor thought he could hide behind a 'stand your ground' ruling and he walked. He walked straight into prison. LOL!!!!

Zimmerman will probably not get life over this but he's gonna have a few gray hairs before he can walk down a public street again is my bet and it's shared by a plethora of others Ace.
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So you're another person that subscribes to the notion that a victim must wait until they are blacking out, their skull cracks open...or facing one with a knife they have to be stabbed first...or wait for the guy with the gun to shoot first.
When can a woman begin to defend against rape...when she is pinned down..?..after her panties are ripped off..?..criminal has his johnson out..?..or does she have to wait for full penetration...or deposit of his semen..?
Remember, these are the words contained in the law;
"...reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself..."
"...prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony..."
"...imminent danger of death or great bodily harm..."
Any "attack" Trayvon made upon George can be seen as self defense.

Trayvon did not have a history of beating up strangers.

Any reasonable person could and probably would have felt threatened by having some strange man follow them around leading them to feel a need to defend themselves.

The actual injuries George substained were not life threatening. There's a ton of people out there who have had real world experience and don't count on the jury being made up of delicate houseives who have only ventured out of their house because Target had a sale on toilet paper.

Ohhh....the defense is going to push self defense harder than some hobo is working his bumming skills to get enough money for a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 but the prosecution also has a case in showing George not only got himself into this mess but probably couldn't tell the difference from a bitch slap from a shotgun blast to the face.

Zimmerman was irresponsible all around here Chief. If you want to stand behind every pussy who feels "threatened" by even blue haired old ladies at the supermarket whom are getting pushy then it's your idiotic opinion, not mine. I'd rather see cases of REAL self defense bolster the idea we should be allowed guns.
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So you're another person that subscribes to the notion that a victim must wait until they are blacking out, their skull cracks open...or facing one with a knife they have to be stabbed first...or wait for the guy with the gun to shoot first.
When can a woman begin to defend against rape...when she is pinned down..?..after her panties are ripped off..?..criminal has his johnson out..?..or does she have to wait for full penetration...or deposit of his semen..?
Remember, these are the words contained in the law;
"...reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself..."
"...prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony..."
"...imminent danger of death or great bodily harm..."
I gotta come back to this.

Let's see if a reasonable jury will see Zimmerman's case as one in which an innocent man was brutally beaten for no reason by a strange BOY and felt his life was "in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm" because that's the train we're on and I don't think you're going to like the final destination.
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Tray wrote:
<quoted text> That's right, only facts get into the courtroom not racist bull. No "maybe, could be, might have, I didn't see but assume, but Sharpton said so, NBC said so, or once upon a time". You can't provide evidence then it's crap for the state. George walks and gets big checks from NBC, Sharpton, Lee, Jackson, and book and movie deals. Thugs must find a new line of work or feed worms.
WTF???

No racism. Factual occurances based on the actions of Zimmerman.
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<quoted text> Fractured nose is light? Perhaps he should have waited for more damage to be inflicted before shooting? Another poster with no experience with violent e.counters.
There was a case where there was a man working in his open garage late one day and a high school foreign exchange student from Japan was with his friends all dressed up since it was Halloween only to approach the man in the man's driveway for f-ing candy and ended up getting shot and killed by that man because the fool in the garage felt his "life was in danger".

That shooter has the same ball size as you apparently.

How did momma raise you? In the BASEMENT?

LOL!!!!
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When can a woman begin to defend against rape...when she is pinned down..?..after her panties are ripped off..?..criminal has his johnson out..?..or does she have to wait for full penetration...or deposit of his semen..?
Was Trayvon trying to rape pudgy boy George?

LOL!!!

Talk about a derailment of facts.
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God help the Girl Scout who shows up at your door one day to demand the money you owe her for the 3 boxes of 'Thin Mints' you ordered and gets a little pushy.

She'll be dead from you emptying your clip off your 9 MM into her abdomen and you'll find yourself in court all teary eyed you had no choice because you felt your 'life was in danger'.

LOL!!!!

Balless asses like you and Zimmerman don't have the judgement skills to own guns Skippy.

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Let's say someone followed you around like a God damned creep at night and would not stop. Let's say they intervened in your path at one or more points. Let's say they never identified themselves but continued their actions in playing a threatening role.
Better to act thanm to wait and see what happens. Most reasonable people with balls will follow that path but maybe you'd go screaming into the woods screaming like a little bitch girl who knows....LOL!!!
There's many plausible and reasonable reasons as to why things went down like they did and they too can point to the fact Trayvon felt endangered.
Don't forget Einstein - it was George following Trayvon around at night like some freakish stalker with a gun.
You are advocating battery.

That is against the law.
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Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>You are advocating battery.
That is against the law.
Hardly.

I'm advocating self defense and that's not.
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Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>You are advocating battery.
That is against the law.
Going out for a jog.

While I'm gone you polish your guns, read your Guns & Ammo magazine or Soldier Of Fortune rag and keep on thinking it would be a case of self defense by shooting your neighbor's 12 year old daughter because she climbed the fense to retrieve a Frisbee.

Maybe you too will end up in the hot seat Zimmerfman is in because your judgement skills are based on those only a pussy would support.

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