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Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws

There are 9850 comments on the Bloomberg story from Mar 20, 2012, titled Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws. In it, Bloomberg reports that:

The Justice Department opened an investigation this week into the killing of Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old high school student who was shot dead on Feb.

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“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#46 Mar 22, 2012
Telmark wrote:
This tragic case reminds me of the city of Phoenix (up until the mid or late 80's) when it was legal to carry a loaded side arm in public (w/no permit).
It still is legal to open carry in AZ without a permit, ya dunce.

Since: Nov 11

Salt Lake City, UT

#47 Mar 22, 2012
Telmark wrote:
Carrying a gun around in public is very bad idea imo (unless you're a trained LEO).
A case in point is the fact that many "old west" towns had strict laws against carrying side arms and guns within the town/city limits.
This tragic case reminds me of the city of Phoenix (up until the mid or late 80's) when it was legal to carry a loaded side arm in public (w/no permit). This, unfortunately, resulted in numerous "parking space" murder/shootings when gun totting citizens decided that they had a right to shoot people over vehicle parking space disputes.
Unfortuneatly, the thugs carry them and trained LEOs are minutes away when seconds count. Until you get the criminals to follow all of the gun laws already on the books people are still required to protect themselves. The SCOTUS has ruled that LEOs are not obligated to protect citizens.

With respect to this issue, it sound like the shooter screwed the pooch. People are blaming the stand your ground law and that law isn't the problem. LEOs many times do not make an immediate arrest in cases like this. They gather ALL of the evidence, take it to the prosecutor and charges are filed at that point in time and an arrest made. The concerned clergy does nothing but make noise.
Telmark

United States

#48 Mar 22, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>Your analogy is kin to saying that black guys armed with guns have a right to shoot convenience store clerks because the shooter thinks they have a right to the money in the store cash register. LOL.
What in the heck are you babbling about Richard?

Where did I say that "black guys armed with guns have a right to shoot convenience store clerks because the shooter thinks they have a right to the money in the store cash register"?

If you read my post you'll see that I, imo, think that carrying a gun around in public is very bad idea. I base this opinion on the number of senseless "parking space" murder/shootings that occurred while I was in Phoenix during the early 80s.

This makes your "analogy" out to be nothing but a bunch of assumptive mumbo jumbo. This is not to mention that your lame attempt to interject "race" into this issue says much about you.

People like you put responsible gun owners in a bad light. This type of attitude only gives the government yet another reason to ban, or place even greater restraints on, private citizen gun ownership.
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>It still is legal to open carry in AZ without a permit, ya dunce.
You are correct.

Meanwhile, I suggest that you learn to "think things through" in a rational way before you type, let alone before you open carry and loaded gun.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#49 Mar 22, 2012
Telmark wrote:
<quoted text>
What in the heck are you babbling about Richard?
Where did I say that "black guys armed with guns have a right to shoot convenience store clerks because the shooter thinks they have a right to the money in the store cash register"?
You inferred it.

Since: Oct 11

Austin, Texas

#50 Mar 22, 2012
Provocateur wrote:
There is no reason in the world to carry a gun for Neighborhood Watch," said Chris Tutko, a retired police chief who now directs Neighborhood Watch for the sheriffs' association. "It gets people more into trouble than out of it."
A manual published by the association for its "USAonWatch" program makes that very clear.
"It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles," the manual states. "Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous."
Zimmerman is reportedly the self-appointed leader for the group at his complex of town homes. A sign at the gated entrance warns it is surveilled by Neighborhood Watch, and says, "We report all suspicious persons and activities to the Sanford Police Department."
That's a prudent step for any neighborhood. In fact, Neighborhood Watches are popular in Central Florida. In Orlando alone, there are 905 block captains listed with Orlando police.
Some groups are highly organized and walk their neighborhoods in scheduled patrols. More often, though, neighbors just get acquainted with one another, exchange phone numbers and learn to report anything out of the ordinary that they notice as they move through life's predictable moments: taking out the garbage, walking the dog or getting the mail.
Even the basis for Zimmerman's initial phone call is questionable.
Here's why: The sheriffs' association manual lists the type of suspicious activity that should be reported to police. Among the examples: "Someone peering into car windows" and "broken doors or windows."
Nowhere does it list walking while black, which is all Trayvon appeared to be doing as he made his way back to the house of his dad's fiancée after a candy run to 7-Eleven. Trayvon was armed only with a package of Skittles in his pocket.
Zimmerman was not a self-appointed leader of the group. He was appointed. He also wasn't on patrol with the watch when it happened. He was on a personal errand. Every gun carrier on this forum would be carrying while on a personal errand. Only media reports have him chasing down this kid. Yes he got out of his vehicle but 911 calls have him saying "OK" when the dispatcher tells him not to pursue and he also says that the kid is approaching him. He told police that he was attacked while walking back to his vehicle. Wait for the investigation to conclude and if he is wrong he will be punished for it. He shouldn't be tried in a court of public opinion.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Trayvon-Ma...
Telmark

United States

#51 Mar 22, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>You inferred it.
No Richard, you inferred it by way of a faulty reading comprehension on your part.
Pat

Winter Springs, FL

#52 Mar 22, 2012
The no confidence vote by Sanford's leaders just shows how politicians are influenced by the media snipets and sound bites from people who don't have all the facts but are emotional and that under the circumstances is understandable but leaders need to take emotions out of issues. Maybe a no confidencce vote should be levied on the 3 that voted they way they did.

This horrific incident has shown that Sanford lacks good solid leadership. Leadership that does not base their decisions on facts. They should be caling for the law to be followed instead they play into mob mentality. This is so sad for Trayvon and the city of Sanford!

They should have said we will wait until ALL of the facts have been investigated. After all the FBI, FDLE nad a grand jury is working to do just that.
Jabber

Alhambra, CA

#53 Mar 22, 2012
Now we're supposed to be disarmed so the thugs can victimize us more. George Zimmerman did the right thing. Thank goodness that thug was stopped before he could rape a white girl.
fedupwiththemess

Ashburn, VA

#54 Mar 22, 2012
Jabber wrote:
Now we're supposed to be disarmed so the thugs can victimize us more. George Zimmerman did the right thing. Thank goodness that thug was stopped before he could rape a white girl.
Who will stop your hateful, cracka punk azz? Keep hiding behind the computer. Can't say any of these things out loud to a black person. Just can't.

Since: Jul 08

Palm Beach, FL

#55 Mar 22, 2012
Our gun laws, lax or otherwise have absolutely nothing nothing to do with this or any other murder by gun. As the saying goes guns don't kill it is the person carrying the gun.

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

UZILAND

#56 Mar 22, 2012
Jabber wrote:
Now we're supposed to be disarmed so the thugs can victimize us more. George Zimmerman did the right thing. Thank goodness that thug was stopped before he could rape a white girl.
Actually, Zimmerman put gun owner right backwards by committing murder with a firearm.

“Schutzhund”

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#59 Mar 22, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>This shooting by Zimmerman has nothing to do with lax gun laws or the stand your ground law, this shooting was all zimmerman and he was bound and determine to shoot someone who was black.
I agree and have said much the same thing but the anti-gun crowd is trying to use this as a foot hold to regain ground that they've lost.

“Schutzhund”

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#60 Mar 22, 2012
Telmark wrote:
<quoted text>People like you put responsible gun owners in a bad light.
That credit goes to people like Zimmerman. He is every anti-gun person's wet dream.

Since: Nov 11

Salt Lake City, UT

#61 Mar 22, 2012
A Citizen Soldier wrote:
<quoted text>I agree and have said much the same thing but the anti-gun crowd is trying to use this as a foot hold to regain ground that they've lost.
Never let a tragedy go to waste...

“Schutzhund”

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#62 Mar 22, 2012
Telmark wrote:
<quoted text>
What in the heck are you babbling about Richard?
Where did I say that "black guys armed with guns have a right to shoot convenience store clerks because the shooter thinks they have a right to the money in the store cash register"?
If you read my post you'll see that I, imo, think that carrying a gun around in public is very bad idea. I base this opinion on the number of senseless "parking space" murder/shootings that occurred while I was in Phoenix during the early 80s.
This makes your "analogy" out to be nothing but a bunch of assumptive mumbo jumbo. This is not to mention that your lame attempt to interject "race" into this issue says much about you.
People like you put responsible gun owners in a bad light. This type of attitude only gives the government yet another reason to ban, or place even greater restraints on, private citizen gun ownership.
<quoted text>
You are correct.
Meanwhile, I suggest that you learn to "think things through" in a rational way before you type, let alone before you open carry and loaded gun.
Actually, hs analogy is spot on.

“Schutzhund”

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#63 Mar 22, 2012
Jabber wrote:
Now we're supposed to be disarmed so the thugs can victimize us more. George Zimmerman did the right thing. Thank goodness that thug was stopped before he could rape a white girl.
Yeah....cause all gang banger "thugs" carry Skittles and a soda when they're looking for some "white girl" to rape.

What a racist putz!!!!

“Schutzhund”

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#64 Mar 22, 2012
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, Zimmerman put gun owner right backwards by committing murder with a firearm.
Agreed!

“Schutzhund”

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#65 Mar 22, 2012
duzitreallymatter wrote:
<quoted text>Never let a tragedy go to waste...
Yes...that's their motto for sure.

“Schutzhund”

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#66 Mar 22, 2012
Well, it looks like the Sanford Police Chief resigned temporarily.
Jabber

Alhambra, CA

#67 Mar 22, 2012
A Citizen Soldier wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah....cause all gang banger "thugs" carry Skittles and a soda when they're looking for some "white girl" to rape.
What a racist putz!!!!
Yeah, they get hyped up on sugar and maybe dope. I love George Zimmerman.

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