Area gun sales, fears rising

There are 20 comments on the North Port Sun story from Nov 14, 2012, titled Area gun sales, fears rising. In it, North Port Sun reports that:

Gun stores in Charlotte County have experienced increased sales since Election Day as local gun owners brace for an anticipated restriction of gun laws following the re-election of President Barack Obama.

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xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#799 Dec 9, 2012
JusttheFacts wrote:
<quoted text>Taxes on business have never caused one to fail. Taxes on a business is based on profit. Business makes money they pay taxes. No profit then no taxes. You Repub always list the problem coming from the poor. How about the fact that most millionaires and billionaires now pay a tax rate of 15%. How about the fact that America spends more than the next 10 nations on defense combined. How about the fact that the rich CEOs have closed 22,000 factories in the US over the past 20 years leaving 5.5 million without a job. And I did mean the RICH CEOs did it. I have never heard of a worker on a factory floor tell his fellow workers we need to close and ship this to China.
No businesses moved or went out of business for one particular reason. Usually it's multiple reasons, and taxes being one of them. Who knows which issue broke the camels back?

If a business is making no profit, they still pay property taxes, they still have to pay into unemployment insurance, they still have to have workman's compensation insurance, they still have to match their employees social security and medicare contributions.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#800 Dec 9, 2012
Quit wrote:
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playing stupid. It is about preexisting conditions restricting your ability to change jobs based insurance coverage. The ACA requires people to take responsibility for maintaining insurance. If you want to play dumb, distort and lie - that is your business. It appears to be the only way the right wingers can try to sell their sht.
I've had a preexisting condition for the last 25 years. I've switched jobs, got on the new health insurance plan, never went a day without coverage.

If I can accomplish that, why can't others with preexisting conditions?
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#801 Dec 9, 2012
Dr-Sniper wrote:
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And why was it worth moving factories all the way to China for cheap labor?
It's not just cheap labor. Look at all the things an American employer has to payout: Federal taxes, state taxes, county taxes, city or township taxes, unemployment insurance, workman's compensation insurance, OSHA regulations, vacation pay for employees, medical insurance, holiday pay, match employee's social security taxes, match employees medicare taxes, time-and-a-half for over 40 hours per week.

They don't have much of this in other countries. Sure, cheap labor is part of the deal, but not exclusively.

Number one reason businesses move out of the country: their competitor already did so and they will lose all their business to their competitors unless they follow suit.
Cat74

Westmont, IL

#802 Dec 9, 2012
There are other reasons as well. We have not really educated a vast number of people in public schools, so there isn't a large number of half way intelligent workers available. There are millions of technical jobs in America that we have to import workers to fill. They are here from India, and China.
another

Santa Fe, NM

#803 Dec 9, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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ignorant liar. Clearly the discussion is about maintaining coverage for preexisting conditions such as diabetes when you change jobs. The ACA requires the person to obtain insurance. Your head is so full of ideological crap that you can't admit the truth.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#804 Dec 9, 2012
JusttheFacts wrote:
<quoted text>No safety laws, no environmental laws, no unemployment, no workers comp and you get to pay little teens .30 cents an hour to work 16 hrs./day - 6 days per week. Whenever the big corps. can get the Americans to work for .25/hour I'm sure they'll be back.
P.S. Corporate profits in 2010 hit a historic record high along with CEO pay.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/25/corp...
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http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/05/investing/sto...
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/12...
What? No OSHA riding their ass? No DEQ inspections and license fees? No Occupational License fee? No Unemployment tax to pay? No Workers Comp Insurance to carry? No FICA? No registration fees with the Secretary Of State?

You may be on to something.
Your

Santa Fe, NM

#805 Dec 9, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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I've had a preexisting condition for the last 25 years. I've switched jobs, got on the new health insurance plan, never went a day without coverage.
If I can accomplish that, why can't others with preexisting conditions?
company's plan covers mental health, others don't.
Yeah

Santa Fe, NM

#806 Dec 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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What? No OSHA riding their ass? No DEQ inspections and license fees? No Occupational License fee? No Unemployment tax to pay? No Workers Comp Insurance to carry? No FICA? No registration fees with the Secretary Of State?
You may be on to something.
we don't want worker safety, we don't want employers contributing to unemployment insurance, we prefer to screw our citizens and pocket the difference.
Please

Santa Fe, NM

#807 Dec 9, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Yep, but I'm not holding my breath ;-D
hold your breath.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/c...

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#808 Dec 9, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>It's not just cheap labor. Look at all the things an American employer has to payout: Federal taxes, state taxes, county taxes, city or township taxes, unemployment insurance, workman's compensation insurance, OSHA regulations, vacation pay for employees, medical insurance, holiday pay, match employee's social security taxes, match employees medicare taxes, time-and-a-half for over 40 hours per week.

They don't have much of this in other countries. Sure, cheap labor is part of the deal, but not exclusively.

Number one reason businesses move out of the country: their competitor already did so and they will lose all their business to their competitors unless they follow suit.
That's exactly what I was trying to get him to admit or realize.
You are absolutely correct.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#809 Dec 9, 2012
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>we don't want worker safety, we don't want employers contributing to unemployment insurance, we prefer to screw our citizens and pocket the difference.
Again, you obviously are not a business owner or employer.
Abuse of the system by employees is why employers have a problem with said system.
Fraud is rampant and the government and its agencies don't care. They do nothing about it. In fact in most cases they instruct their agents to look the other way.
BTW, an agent from the DEQ visited my clinic a little over four years ago. He tested my x-ray equipment and told me it was emitting way too much radiation. I showed him the reports on the radiation badges we wear, which showed acceptable levels. He said it didn't matter, the levels were too high that day. I was forced to purchase a new x-ray unit or face fines and charges. I bought the new unit.
Come to find out, he did that at numerous clinics, and it was his mistake. He didn't know how to properly test the equipment. It doesn't change the fact I had to spend $10,000 unnecessarily. Do you think the DEQ will reimburse me? Hell no.
If I push the issue, I'll have an inspection every week just to take up time and hurt my business.
Sorry

Santa Fe, NM

#810 Dec 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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Again, you obviously are not a business owner or employer.

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I am a business owner. I sympathize with you personal issues, but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater if your local yokels are corrupt or incompetent.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#811 Dec 9, 2012
Sorry wrote:
<quoted text>I am a business owner. I sympathize with you personal issues, but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater if your local yokels are corrupt or incompetent.
It's not local yokels.
There is too much waste, corruption, and incompetence in the Federal Government System. Even down to the Postal Service. More than half our clients fail to receive the reminders we mail out. Neighboring businesses get our mail and visa versa. The Postal employees do not follow their regulations. A simple example is that they are not allowed to talk on their cell phone while delivering mail. They do it all the time. Thats one of the reasons they deliver mail to the wrong address all the time. I have video of it.
Did you know each individual job at the Post Office has its own Union? Did you know a deliverer has to have something like 27 complaints to be fired? After 5-7 complaints from the same person they get a day of reflection with pay.

Don't get me started on the IRS.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#812 Dec 9, 2012
apparently wrote:
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you are choosing stupid instead of admitting dishonesty. It is clearly about being able to change jobs and insurance due to the elimination of the fear of losing insurance due to preeexisting conditions.
Instead of calling me names, break it down.

"A bill that says to someone, if you want to be creative and be a musician or whatever, you can leave your work, focus on your talent, your skill, your passion, your aspirations because you will have health care. You won’t have to be job locked."

Where is the quote "clearly about being able to change jobs and insurance"?

She says "you can leave your work", not change jobs.

She says you can "focus on your talent, your skill, your passion", not a single mention of "preeexisting conditions."

She plainly states you "won’t have to be job locked." What else can that mean except you can go to music or art school while others foot your health care expenses?

You know what? Never mind. You believe your 'what she really meant' scenario and I'll stick with believing what she actually said.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#813 Dec 9, 2012
another wrote:
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ignorant liar. Clearly the discussion is about maintaining coverage for preexisting conditions such as diabetes when you change jobs. The ACA requires the person to obtain insurance. Your head is so full of ideological crap that you can't admit the truth.
And I explained to you that I have done that. Been diabetic for over 25 years. Never had a problem maintaining healthcare by going to another job.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#814 Dec 9, 2012
another wrote:
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ignorant liar. Clearly the discussion is about maintaining coverage for preexisting conditions such as diabetes when you change jobs. The ACA requires the person to obtain insurance. Your head is so full of ideological crap that you can't admit the truth.
Instead of insulting everyone who disagrees with you, point out the specific part of Pelosi's quote which addresses "preexisting conditions."

C'mon. If it's as "clear" as you claim it is, that should be a breeze.
duh

Santa Fe, NM

#815 Dec 9, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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Instead of insulting everyone who disagrees with you, point out the specific part of Pelosi's quote which addresses "preexisting conditions."
C'mon. If it's as "clear" as you claim it is, that should be a breeze.
...but not be job-locked because a child has a child has asthma or diabetes or someone in the family is bipolar. You name it, any condition is job-locking....

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#816 Dec 9, 2012
duh wrote:
<quoted text>...but not be job-locked because a child has a child has asthma or diabetes or someone in the family is bipolar. You name it, any condition is job-locking....
You made the same typo that you made earlier. Did you copy and paste from your talking point source?
JusttheFacts

Russellville, KY

#817 Dec 9, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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No businesses moved or went out of business for one particular reason. Usually it's multiple reasons, and taxes being one of them. Who knows which issue broke the camels back?
If a business is making no profit, they still pay property taxes, they still have to pay into unemployment insurance, they still have to have workman's compensation insurance, they still have to match their employees social security and medicare contributions.
"Broke the camels back" The two riches persons in the US and pretty much the world made billions working teen slave girls in China to make their products. So does the richest family in the US. The Waltons. Gates and Jobs. Greed is what sent all the jobs to China from the US. Gates may have lost $10 billion to have stayed in the US. That still would have left him with over a $100 BILLION had he kept it all here. The new CEO of Apple, Tim Cook, said last week it would not raise the cost of their products ANY to be made in the US.
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“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#818 Dec 9, 2012
you have wrote:
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no idea what you are talking about.
Really. "You have no idea...." is the best retort you can come back with??? I am sorely disappointed. Well then answer this. Who is responsible for your health, well-being and livelihood if not YOURSELF?????

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