Area gun sales, fears rising

Area gun sales, fears rising

There are 7566 comments on the North Port Sun story from Nov 14, 2012, titled Area gun sales, fears rising. In it, North Port Sun reports that:

Gun stores in Charlotte County have experienced increased sales since Election Day as local gun owners brace for an anticipated restriction of gun laws following the re-election of President Barack Obama.

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Since: Dec 12

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#6639 May 3, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly.

They wanted targeted cut cuts that actually help Americans.

Shrinking the federal SNAP (food stamp) program.

Canceling the Home Affordable Modification Program
Eliminating the $11.4 billion public-health fund in the Affordable Care Act
Trimming the Social Services Block Grant program (which funds, among other things, Meals on Wheels for seniors.)

Cuts to the DOT.

The bill also would have defunded some of the financial regulatory reforms passed in 2010. It would have slashed funding to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.(Of course)

As well as NO tax increases and no cuts for the military.

On a related note:

Lawmakers from both parties have devoted nearly half a billion dollars in taxpayer money over the past two years to build improved versions of the 70-ton Abrams.

But senior Army officials have said repeatedly, "No thanks."

It's the inverse of the federal budget world these days, in which automatic spending cuts are leaving sought-after pet programs struggling or unpaid altogether.

Yet in the case of the Abrams tank, there's a bipartisan push to spend an extra $436 million on a weapon the experts explicitly say is not needed.

If there's a home of the Abrams, it's politically important Ohio. The nation's only tank plant is in Lima. So it's no coincidence that the champions for more tanks are Rep. Jim Jordan and Sen. Rob Portman, two of Capitol's Hill most prominent deficit hawks.

"The one area where we are supposed to spend taxpayer money is in defense of the country," said Jordan, whose district in the northwest part of the state includes the tank plant.

Congressional backers of the Abrams upgrades view the vast network of companies, many of them small businesses, that manufacture the tanks' materials and parts as a critical asset that has to be preserved. The money, they say, is a modest investment that will keep important tooling and manufacturing skills from being lost if the Abrams line were to be shut down.

The Lima plant is a study in how federal dollars affect local communities, which in turn hold tight to the federal dollars. The facility is owned by the federal government but operated by the land systems division of General Dynamics, a major defense contractor that spent close to $11 million last year on lobbying, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

Jordan, a House conservative leader who has pushed for deep reductions in federal spending, supported the automatic cuts known as the sequester that require $42 billion to be shaved from the Pentagon's budget by the end of September. The military also has to absorb a $487 billion reduction in defense spending over the next 10 years, as required by the Budget Control Act passed in 2011.

Still, said Jordan, it would be a big mistake to stop producing tanks.

"Look,(the plant) is in the 4th Congressional District and my job is to represent the 4th Congressional District, so I understand that," he said. "But the fact remains, if it was not in the best interests of the national defense for the United States of America, then you would not see me supporting it like we do."
Heaven forbid we cut funding to programs that are laden with fraud and abuse.
That is the best thing that could happen to this country.

Since: Dec 12

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#6640 May 3, 2013
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>yeeaahhh, Democrats NEVER do that.
LOL
Precisely!
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6641 May 3, 2013
spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it painful to have friggen rocks in your head? Nothing will STOP shootings or criminal acts in a free society but we sure as hell can keep it on a minimal level ...
And you have no proof to substantiate your claim. It's just guesswork on your part. We had a national gun ban in this country for ten years. Did it work? Not according to criminal experts it didn't. That's because criminals found legal weapons they could get their hands on. Not that they cared about the legality of the weapon, but the fact they were more accessible.

Here is the only way a gun ban could possibly work: anybody besides a military officer on duty, or employees of the police department or armed security employees found with a weapon, the penalty is death, and not 18 years of appeals either. Death within six months. That's the only way a gun ban can possibly work.

But since we have liberals and liberal judges who oppose the death penalty for even mass murderers, don't expect to see a law like that anytime soon.

That brings me to my next question: If you got my support (along with other gunnutters as you call us) provided we had such a law, would YOU support it?
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6642 May 3, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's not.
Congress works on the details, Obama didn't decide where the cuts would be made, the teabagger congress did.
As usual, they failed miserably.
Poor teabagger
Oh sure I failed. As long as it makes you feel better. But it seems you only use FactCheck when it serves your purpose. When FactCheck works against your claims, FactCheck is wrong and so are we.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6643 May 3, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>
Did the Surface Transportation Board or Federal Railroad Administration say they weren't needed?
Not that I recall.
Name one.
Poor teabagger.
Poor non-teabagger. Several states refused to build these idiotic railways that nobody will use including my state of Ohio led by conservative John Kasich.

This is flawed liberal logic: if these high-speed railroads are such a grand concept that will produce profit, why didn't private industry corner the market before government? Hint: there is no money in a product nobody wants or needs. Building them would not only be a complete waste of money, but a further drag on taxpayers to maintain these lines in the future.
spocko

Oakland, CA

#6644 May 3, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
And you have no proof to substantiate your claim. It's just guesswork on your part. We had a national gun ban in this country for ten years. Did it work? Not according to criminal experts it didn't. That's because criminals found legal weapons they could get their hands on. Not that they cared about the legality of the weapon, but the fact they were more accessible.
Here is the only way a gun ban could possibly work: anybody besides a military officer on duty, or employees of the police department or armed security employees found with a weapon, the penalty is death, and not 18 years of appeals either. Death within six months. That's the only way a gun ban can possibly work.
But since we have liberals and liberal judges who oppose the death penalty for even mass murderers, don't expect to see a law like that anytime soon.
That brings me to my next question: If you got my support (along with other gunnutters as you call us) provided we had such a law, would YOU support it?
The legend in his own head has spoken again!
“your guns must be in your hands, on your hips or in your gunsafe – no exceptions”
No transportation

Santa Fe, NM

#6645 May 3, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Poor non-teabagger. Several states refused to build these idiotic railways that nobody will use including my state of Ohio led by conservative John Kasich.
This is flawed liberal logic: if these high-speed railroads are such a grand concept that will produce profit, why didn't private industry corner the market before government? Hint: there is no money in a product nobody wants or needs. Building them would not only be a complete waste of money, but a further drag on taxpayers to maintain these lines in the future.
system can exist without being subsidized in some form. Do you really think we'd have a highway system and all the benefits to commerce and the common good that it has brought us had we surrendered to the private profit making dogma?
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6646 May 3, 2013
No transportation wrote:
<quoted text>
system can exist without being subsidized in some form. Do you really think we'd have a highway system and all the benefits to commerce and the common good that it has brought us had we surrendered to the private profit making dogma?
No. That's the problem. No such system can exist without subsidization. Ever hear of AmTrack?

It's one thing if the government builds transits like highways that benefit everybody, and another thing when they build railroads that only panders to environmentalists.

The majority of people don't use trains or busses. The majority of people (including business) DO use highways due to the convenience of such transportation.

The problem is that this Socialist wants to take us down a few notches to Europe. Nobody wants such transportation, but I guess DumBama figures that he can convince people to give up their personal vehicle and wait in lines, in the cold winters, and purchase tickets just to go shopping.

A chicken in every pot and a car in every driveway is a milestone in our country. We've exceeded that threshold, and now some environmentalist wants to take us back to the stone age.

I frequently read how progressives want to take us ahead and not behind. Yet when it comes to their agenda, moving in reverse is quite fine with them while they soar on their personal or government jets burning up fuel like Nazi Piglosi when she was speaker, or Al Gore when he attends fundraising events.
What

Santa Fe, NM

#6647 May 3, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>

It's one thing if the government builds transits like highways that benefit everybody, and another thing when they build railroads that only panders to environmentalists.
.
a crock!
blackprincess70

Charleston, WV

#6648 May 3, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No. That's the problem. No such system can exist without subsidization. Ever hear of AmTrack?
It's one thing if the government builds transits like highways that benefit everybody, and another thing when they build railroads that only panders to environmentalists.
The majority of people don't use trains or busses. The majority of people (including business) DO use highways due to the convenience of such transportation.
The problem is that this Socialist wants to take us down a few notches to Europe. Nobody wants such transportation, but I guess DumBama figures that he can convince people to give up their personal vehicle and wait in lines, in the cold winters, and purchase tickets just to go shopping.
A chicken in every pot and a car in every driveway is a milestone in our country. We've exceeded that threshold, and now some environmentalist wants to take us back to the stone age.
I frequently read how progressives want to take us ahead and not behind. Yet when it comes to their agenda, moving in reverse is quite fine with them while they soar on their personal or government jets burning up fuel like Nazi Piglosi when she was speaker, or Al Gore when he attends fundraising events.
you parrot Rush very well he will be proud...that is the same stuff verbatim what he puts out...uninformed, ignorant tea party

Since: Aug 11

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#6649 May 3, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No. That's the problem. No such system can exist without subsidization. Ever hear of AmTrack?
It's one thing if the government builds transits like highways that benefit everybody, and another thing when they build railroads that only panders to environmentalists.
The majority of people don't use trains or busses. The majority of people (including business) DO use highways due to the convenience of such transportation.
The problem is that this Socialist wants to take us down a few notches to Europe. Nobody wants such transportation, but I guess DumBama figures that he can convince people to give up their personal vehicle and wait in lines, in the cold winters, and purchase tickets just to go shopping.
A chicken in every pot and a car in every driveway is a milestone in our country. We've exceeded that threshold, and now some environmentalist wants to take us back to the stone age.
I frequently read how progressives want to take us ahead and not behind. Yet when it comes to their agenda, moving in reverse is quite fine with them while they soar on their personal or government jets burning up fuel like Nazi Piglosi when she was speaker, or Al Gore when he attends fundraising events.
Socialism is the Foundation of every economical system just like here in the US like Karl Marxs said and its got two paths it can take which is one towards Capitalism which is to the Right or towards Communism which is to the Left besides Karl Marxs is the one who is responsible for terms we know as Capitalism, Communism, and Socialism and just think Lincoln & the Republican preferred Communism over Capitalism.

An Unfinished Revolution: Karl Marx and Abraham Lincoln

The impact of the American Civil War on Karl Marx, and Karl Marx on America.

Karl Marx and Abraham Lincoln exchanged letters at the end of the Civil War. Although they were divided by far more than the Atlantic Ocean, they agreed on the cause of “free labor” and the urgent need to end slavery. In his introduction, Robin Blackburn argues that Lincoln’s response signaled the importance of the German American community and the role of the international communists in opposing European recognition of the Confederacy.

The ideals of communism, voiced through the International Working Men’s Association, attracted many thousands of supporters throughout the US, and helped spread the demand for an eight-hour day. Blackburn shows how the IWA in America—born out of the Civil War—sought to radicalize Lincoln’s unfinished revolution and to advance the rights of labor, uniting black and white, men and women, native and foreign-born. The International contributed to a profound critique of the capitalist robber barons who enriched themselves during and after the war, and it inspired an extraordinary series of strikes and class struggles in the postwar decades.

In addition to a range of key texts and letters by both Lincoln and Marx, this book includes articles from the radical New York-based journal Woodhull and Claflin’s Weekly, an extract from Thomas Fortune’s classic work on racism Black and White, Frederick Engels on the progress of US labor in the 1880s, and Lucy Parson’s speech at the founding of the Industrial Workers of the World.

http://www.versobooks.com/books/954-an-unfini...

Communism in America - Alive & Kicking!

http://www.nolanchart.com/article5011-communi...
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6650 May 4, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
<quoted text>
Heaven forbid we cut funding to programs that are laden with fraud and abuse.
That is the best thing that could happen to this country.
If that were the case then teabaggers would want to cut this:

3/27/08

I'm proud to present to you a brand new member of the Bush Administration War Profiteer Hall of Shame: 22 year-old Efraim Diveroli, who's company AEY has been awarded approximately $300 million in contracts by the Pentagon.

How does a 22 year-old get a multi-million dollar defense contract? you ask.“AEY’s proposal represented the best value to the government," the Army tells the Times.(Never mind that AEY was headed by a guy who'd been busted by the police for carrying a fake ID.)

AEY's fattest contract came in January of last year, when a Pentagon contract made AEY, "which operates out of an unmarked office in Miami Beach,... the main supplier of munitions to Afghanistan’s army and police forces." AEY's VP is 25 and a licensed masseur. AEY also had a $5.7 million contract for rifles for Iraqi forces, among others.

6/15/2004

Top executives of Vice President Dick Cheney's former company, Halliburton, will be asked to testify next month before a House committee investigating potential favoritism and waste in Iraq reconstruction contracts.

Halliburton has been awarded more than $7 billion in Iraq contract work that involves everything from restoring oil production to feeding and housing U.S. troops.

A former logistics specialist said Halliburton charged taxpayers $10,000 a day to house employees in a five-star hotel in Kuwait instead of the $600 per day cost of using the same air-conditioned tents that house U.S. troops.

A former "convoy commander" said Halliburton removed spare tires from its new $85,000 trucks, and gave instructions to abandon or "torch" the vehicles if they had a flat tire.

Waxman also said the cost of a food service contract was reduced by 40% after Halliburton's middleman role was eliminated.

There are numerous individual instances that demonstrate some of the fraud, waste, and overcharging that occurs by private contractors. For example, KBR, a Halliburton subsidiary, bills the government nearly $100 per load of laundry, and charges about $45 for a 6-pack of soda. Halliburton was contracted to supply water for bathing and drinking for the troops, however, the water tested to be contaminated in 63 of the 67 treatment plants because they neglected to chlorinate the water.

Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6651 May 4, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
<quoted text>
Heaven forbid we cut funding to programs that are laden with fraud and abuse.
That is the best thing that could happen to this country.
If that were the case teabaggers would want to cut this:

Gov. Rick Scott is asking the Legislature to approve nearly $300 million in incentives funding this year, a massive increase from about $111 million last year.

A Miami-Dade company that received a large tax incentive deal from the state of Florida folded last week, casting another black eye on the state’s job recruitment incentives program.

Banah International Group, a sugar company, was approved for a “qualified target industry” tax credit worth $437,000.

Adding insult to injury: News that Banah’s chairman had been convicted of cocaine trafficking five years before the company was approved for inventives.

Enterprise Florida, which does much of the vetting in Florida’s multimillion-dollar business incentives program, has been under heightened scrutiny in recent weeks as lawmakers have questioned the practice of doling out tax breaks and cash to companies promising to create jobs. EFI said that Banah did not disclose the criminal past of its chairman.

Protein Solutions, a highflying supplier of meat to restaurant chains such as T.G.I. Friday's, abruptly filed for bankruptcy protection in October. Its remaining equipment will be auctioned later this month.

Unsettled economic times have hurt Chicago-area small businesses, and too many to count have gone out of business. What makes Protein Solution's liquidation unusual is that it received fresh capital through a state program just four months before it filed for bankruptcy, financial support many small businesses are begging for.

The Chicago company obtained $7.85 million in June under an Illinois economic development plan meant to foster job creation in low-income communities. The funds were supposed to reduce Protein Solutions' debt and support its continued growth.

Yet the company quickly unraveled, throwing more than 300 employees out of work in a city struggling with high unemployment and leaving suppliers with about $9.5 million in unpaid bills.

A Times investigation has examined and tallied thousands of local incentives granted nationwide and has found that states, counties and cities are giving up more than $80 billion each year to companies. The beneficiaries come from virtually every corner of the corporate world, encompassing oil and coal conglomerates, technology and entertainment companies, banks and big-box retail chains.

The cost of the awards is certainly far higher. A full accounting, The Times discovered, is not possible because the incentives are granted by thousands of government agencies and officials, and many do not know the value of all their awards. Nor do they know if the money was worth it because they rarely track how many jobs are created. Even where officials do track incentives, they acknowledge that it is impossible to know whether the jobs would have been created without the aid.

Over the years, corporations have increasingly exploited that fear, creating a high-stakes bazaar where they pit local officials against one another to get the most lucrative packages. States compete with other states, cities compete with surrounding suburbs, and even small towns have entered the race with the goal of defeating their neighbors.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6652 May 4, 2013
Senate Republicans successfully blocked a bill from coming to the Senate floor Tuesday that Democrats claim would help keep American jobs from going overseas.

The Democratic bill would have ended certain tax breaks for companies expanding overseas while giving new tax incentives to businesses bringing jobs home.

Republicans say they disagree that these measures will keep jobs in America and are lashing out at Democrats for holding last minute political votes.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6653 May 4, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
<quoted text>
Heaven forbid we cut funding to programs that are laden with fraud and abuse.
That is the best thing that could happen to this country.
Then why are you defending the outlay of $$$$$$, that the recipient said they don't need?

Teabagger "logic"?
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6654 May 4, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh sure I failed. As long as it makes you feel better. But it seems you only use FactCheck when it serves your purpose. When FactCheck works against your claims, FactCheck is wrong and so are we.
I didn't dispute what FactCheck stated, they stated the sequester was the Ombama administrations idea, based on a quote out of a book,they DIDN'T say he created the legislation.

Congress does that.

Or in this case just 12, known as the super committee.

You don't even know the background of the sequester and your trying to argue.

Do you think George thought of all the details of the "Patriot" Act?
Marine corp pat

Mount Hope, WV

#6655 May 4, 2013
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6656 May 4, 2013
No transportation wrote:
<quoted text>
system can exist without being subsidized in some form. Do you really think we'd have a highway system and all the benefits to commerce and the common good that it has brought us had we surrendered to the private profit making dogma?
So, you just made my point.

The governors said they didn't want it.

Similar concerns are threatening to stall many of the nation’s biggest train projects. In Ohio, the Republican candidate for governor, John Kasich, is vowing to kill a $400 million federal stimulus project to link Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati by rail. In Florida, Rick Scott, the Republican candidate for governor, has questioned whether the state should invest in the planned rail line from Orlando to Tampa. The state got $1.25 billion in federal stimulus money for the project.

Federal officials declined to speculate on what would happen if anti-rail candidates were to win. But states that turn down rail money would probably have to return it to the federal government, which could then award it to states that want it.

They aren't FORCING them to take the money and BUILD a railway.

But Teabagger politicians in Ohio are FORCING the the ARMY to take tanks, they DON'T need.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6657 May 4, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No. That's the problem. No such system can exist without subsidization. Ever hear of AmTrack?
It's one thing if the government builds transits like highways that benefit everybody, and another thing when they build railroads that only panders to environmentalists.
The majority of people don't use trains or busses. The majority of people (including business) DO use highways due to the convenience of such transportation.
The problem is that this Socialist wants to take us down a few notches to Europe. Nobody wants such transportation, but I guess DumBama figures that he can convince people to give up their personal vehicle and wait in lines, in the cold winters, and purchase tickets just to go shopping.
A chicken in every pot and a car in every driveway is a milestone in our country. We've exceeded that threshold, and now some environmentalist wants to take us back to the stone age.
I frequently read how progressives want to take us ahead and not behind. Yet when it comes to their agenda, moving in reverse is quite fine with them while they soar on their personal or government jets burning up fuel like Nazi Piglosi when she was speaker, or Al Gore when he attends fundraising events.
"No. That's the problem. No such system can exist without subsidization. Ever hear of AmTrack?
It's one thing if the government builds transits like highways that benefit everybody, and another thing when they build railroads that only panders to environmentalists".

Or building tanks no one wants or needs, that only benefit defense contractors.
Ice Pick Justice

Woodbridge, VA

#6658 May 4, 2013
Marine corp pat wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =rja0iQ3hMkkXX
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/03/ms...
Our liberal news lies again. But we expect it.
Very interesting, thanks for the link

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