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Gun stores in Charlotte County have experienced increased sales since Election Day as local gun owners brace for an anticipated restriction of gun laws following the re-election of President Barack Obama.

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xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6406 Apr 28, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>
It is but you also have to support the structure that allows you that opportunity,which just so happens to be the lawmakers, NOT the corporate barons that teabaggers wholeheartedly support.
These scumbags not only cut your "allowance", they bleed your salary so dry,you don't even get one.
Because they found a cheaper resource..........overseas, and as a parting gift, they "let" you train your replacement.
Darn, they "deserve" another tax cut/rebate/refund.
Meanwhile you look for your "allowance" elsewhere.
I guess you don't realize that the people responsible for sending jobs overseas is not the government, not the CEO's, not the Republicans, not the corporations, but YOU, the consumer.

It's the American consumer that demands the lowest prices and they don't care where the product is made or who it's made by. It's the reason Wal-Mart is number one in the USA.

Did you take a look at your IRA portfolio lately? Are your investments in American companies using American workers only with a return of about 1.5%, or are you invested in companies that are returning you 3-6%, but using foreign labor? If you are invested in American companies, did you take a look at what those companies are paying for non-skilled labor?

Government doesn't provide opportunities--you provide your own. All government can do is speed up or impede the process.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#6407 Apr 28, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>They make fools out of all teabaggers, not that they had that far to go anyway.

They take advantage of the government and "tax incentives" which they now control to take even more taxpayer money.

NOT "jealous", pissed off, that they have such control over the government that is "supposed" to be "by" the people,"of" the people and "for" the people.

Do athletes, actors or musicians force you to buy a ticket?

But teabaggers insist you buy a "ticket" though tax incentives, on the promise of a job, the very same corporations that eliminated your job.

So you can go to work for them at 1/3 of the salary you once made.

Teabaggers think that corporations will take care of them, just as long as you give them enough of your money and enough rope to hang yourself with.
A word of advice, when you start your reply with an insult, it's foreshadowing of the lack of substance in the rest of your post. Why is it that liberals think insults win debates? Could it be that they have no facts to stand on?
Oh, the "elite" control the government? You mean like Feinstein? Pelosi? The rest of the fat cat liberals in congress? You act like Republicans are the wealthiest people on planet earth. Take a close look at the finances of your saviors!
Not jealous? Pissed off? At the "elite" that has so much control over the government, Obama was re-elected? Lmao! Do you believe your own tripe? Or do you just hope others are stupid enough to believe it?
No they don't force me to buy a ticket. I don't buy a ticket.
Those corporations didn't eliminate jobs! They moved them somewhere that has cheaper labor, when Democrats want to raise the minimum wage. They moved them somewhere that says their people are just happy to have a damn job, when America forces them to deal with Democrat run unions. They moved them somewhere they could still make a profit because the average consumer wants cheap over quality. I refuse to buy products made in China! I'm a man wearing a shoe named SAS (San Antonio Shoes) because its made in the USA. They are $150 for a pair of tennis shoes. What do you wear? Look at the label. You contributed to this! Not me!
I don't go to work for them at all. I own my business. I went to school for 21 years to do it. I make about the national average income.
You talk about the corporations the way you should be talking about the unions.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6408 Apr 28, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess you don't realize that the people responsible for sending jobs overseas is not the government, not the CEO's, not the Republicans, not the corporations, but YOU, the consumer.
It's the American consumer that demands the lowest prices and they don't care where the product is made or who it's made by. It's the reason Wal-Mart is number one in the USA.
Did you take a look at your IRA portfolio lately? Are your investments in American companies using American workers only with a return of about 1.5%, or are you invested in companies that are returning you 3-6%, but using foreign labor? If you are invested in American companies, did you take a look at what those companies are paying for non-skilled labor?
Government doesn't provide opportunities--you provide your own. All government can do is speed up or impede the process.
Most all of that happened after Reaganomics was implemented.

Goods and services were made in the U.S., easily available, affordable and durable.

Reaganomics encouraged "free" makets, "free" trade, deregulation and encouraged tax "incentives" for outsourcing jobs overseas.

Teabaggers always claim that companies can't profit by making or providing services here but seem to claw their way right back into the American consumers pockets, now they're "profitable".

Name ONE company that went out of business because of taxes?

Excluding cheating, penalties or just not paying them.

"Are your investments in American companies using American workers only with a return of about 1.5%".

Yes I did, I owned to "small" businesses at two different times.

I earned a more than 1.5%, until I didn't

I have no "investments" left.

I work for a living now and am making the same hourly rate as I was 25 years ago.

A lot less stressful but the money doesn't go half as far.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6409 Apr 28, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>
Most all of that happened after Reaganomics was implemented.
Goods and services were made in the U.S., easily available, affordable and durable.
Reaganomics encouraged "free" makets, "free" trade, deregulation and encouraged tax "incentives" for outsourcing jobs overseas.
Teabaggers always claim that companies can't profit by making or providing services here but seem to claw their way right back into the American consumers pockets, now they're "profitable".
Name ONE company that went out of business because of taxes?
Excluding cheating, penalties or just not paying them.
"Are your investments in American companies using American workers only with a return of about 1.5%".
Yes I did, I owned to "small" businesses at two different times.
I earned a more than 1.5%, until I didn't
I have no "investments" left.
I work for a living now and am making the same hourly rate as I was 25 years ago.
A lot less stressful but the money doesn't go half as far.
No companies went out of business because of taxes. This is because they instead moved their operations overseas to escape them. This along with unions, environmental regulations and various other costs such as unemployment insurance and workman's compensation.

Sure affordable things were made here years ago. This is because years ago, workers were in a rat race to make the most money. But as time went on, nobody got ahead. We just priced ourselves out of the world market. If I insist I make two dollars per hour more for my labor, then you pay the cost. In order to recoup your loss, you insist that you make two-fifty an hour more, and then I have to pay that cost in the products or services your company provides. It was a a train headed for dirt road all along.

Today we have way more things to spend our money on than let's say 30 years ago. Thirty years ago, you needed furniture, a phone and a television. That's it. Today we spend our money on internet services, cable or satellite television, satellite radio, DVD players, CD players, cell phones, big screen televisions, video games, Net Flix or pay-per-view. Of course we have less in our pockets. As for our pay, healthcare insurance sucks that out before it hits our pockets.

You can't blame Reagan or Bush or any trade agreements. When we Americans decide we will only buy American made products, that's when we will see any kind of change in this country.

Economist Walter Williams explaining what happened to our jobs and how. It's a bit dated, but a short read and worth your time:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/william...
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6410 Apr 28, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
A word of advice, when you start your reply with an insult, it's foreshadowing of the lack of substance in the rest of your post. Why is it that liberals think insults win debates? Could it be that they have no facts to stand on?
Oh, the "elite" control the government? You mean like Feinstein? Pelosi? The rest of the fat cat liberals in congress? You act like Republicans are the wealthiest people on planet earth. Take a close look at the finances of your saviors!
Not jealous? Pissed off? At the "elite" that has so much control over the government, Obama was re-elected? Lmao! Do you believe your own tripe? Or do you just hope others are stupid enough to believe it?
No they don't force me to buy a ticket. I don't buy a ticket.
Those corporations didn't eliminate jobs! They moved them somewhere that has cheaper labor, when Democrats want to raise the minimum wage. They moved them somewhere that says their people are just happy to have a damn job, when America forces them to deal with Democrat run unions. They moved them somewhere they could still make a profit because the average consumer wants cheap over quality. I refuse to buy products made in China! I'm a man wearing a shoe named SAS (San Antonio Shoes) because its made in the USA. They are $150 for a pair of tennis shoes. What do you wear? Look at the label. You contributed to this! Not me!
I don't go to work for them at all. I own my business. I went to school for 21 years to do it. I make about the national average income.
You talk about the corporations the way you should be talking about the unions.
"Why is it that liberals think insults win debates? Could it be that they have no facts to stand on?
Oh, the "elite" control the government? You mean like Feinstein? Pelosi? The rest of the fat cat liberals in congress? You act like Republicans are the wealthiest people on planet earth. Take a close look at the finances of your saviors"!

Insults?

How do you figure?

No one is a republican anymore, neocon? Out.

Do you think you're "conservative"?

No such ideology or person or politician, so I refuse.

A corporatist perhaps.

Take a look at who?

At least they try to fake it.

Corporatist don't even try to fake they are here to help the people of the U.S.

"Those corporations didn't eliminate jobs! They moved them somewhere that has cheaper labor, when Democrats want to raise the minimum wage. They moved them somewhere that says their people are just happy to have a damn job"

Yes they did.

Now look who is happy to have a "damned job"?

Guess what?

We provided the infrastruture,money, power and capacity for them to dictate their agenda, then instead of gratitude, you get you should be "happy to have a damn job."

"I refuse to buy products made in China! I'm a man wearing a shoe named SAS (San Antonio Shoes) because its made in the USA. They are $150 for a pair of tennis shoes. What do you wear? Look at the label. You contributed to this! Not me"!

So do I, when possible and within reason, which it used to be, which is part of the problem.

SAS has cheaper tennis shoes, so don't try to imply the shoes you CHOSE to buy are the result of American labor.

You wanted those shoes, just as our customers should want U.S. products, because they are the best.

"You talk about the corporations the way you should be talking about the unions".

If you ever worked for a living, you would think differently, not unions, per se but they afforded the employee a lot of protections, salary and stability.

Corporatist have and are taking that all away so you can be "happy to have a damn job."
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6411 Apr 28, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No companies went out of business because of taxes. This is because they instead moved their operations overseas to escape them. This along with unions, environmental regulations and various other costs such as unemployment insurance and workman's compensation.
Sure affordable things were made here years ago. This is because years ago, workers were in a rat race to make the most money. But as time went on, nobody got ahead. We just priced ourselves out of the world market. If I insist I make two dollars per hour more for my labor, then you pay the cost. In order to recoup your loss, you insist that you make two-fifty an hour more, and then I have to pay that cost in the products or services your company provides. It was a a train headed for dirt road all along.
Today we have way more things to spend our money on than let's say 30 years ago. Thirty years ago, you needed furniture, a phone and a television. That's it. Today we spend our money on internet services, cable or satellite television, satellite radio, DVD players, CD players, cell phones, big screen televisions, video games, Net Flix or pay-per-view. Of course we have less in our pockets. As for our pay, healthcare insurance sucks that out before it hits our pockets.
You can't blame Reagan or Bush or any trade agreements. When we Americans decide we will only buy American made products, that's when we will see any kind of change in this country.
Economist Walter Williams explaining what happened to our jobs and how. It's a bit dated, but a short read and worth your time:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/william...
"No companies went out of business because of taxes. This is because they instead moved their operations overseas to escape them. This along with unions, environmental regulations and various other costs such as unemployment insurance and workman's compensation".

Walter Williams?

As an economist, Williams is a proponent of free market economics and opposes socialist systems of government intervention. "I praise lassez-faire capitalism as being the most moral and most productive system man has ever devised. Capitalism is relatively new in human history. Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. Capitalism made it possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man." In advancing these theories, Williams has said "That's a challenge I love: making economics fun and understandable."

Only problem is Reaganomics is NOT "free".

"Capitalism" isn't "new".

Reaganomics is "relitivly "new"

That say's alot about the way corporatist think, and the way they act.

To make more profit on the backs of the consumer and employees that built their company into what it may be today.

That includes the lawyers, who only as good as their last litigation or the drug salesman who is as trying to make their sales bonus.

"You can't blame Reagan or Bush or any trade agreements"?

Give me a break, when you can flood the market with cheap crap and corner the market like Home Depot or Walmart, that puts mainstreet out of business.

Which can't compete with cheap Chinese crap, that "free" trade agreements and tax "incentives" afforded them but NOT the small business owner.

Walter Williams?

As an economist, Williams is a proponent of free market economics and opposes socialist systems of government intervention. "I praise lassez-faire capitalism as being the most moral and most productive system man has ever devised. Capitalism is relatively new in human history. Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. Capitalism made it possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man." In advancing these theories, Williams has said "That's a challenge I love: making economics fun and understandable."

Reaganomics is NOT "free" market.

"Capitalism" is NOT "new".
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6412 Apr 28, 2013
Don't know WHAT happened to the above.
My apologies.

“Protest / support the marchers”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#6413 Apr 28, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I see now, it's the "intelligent people" who fail to question how the US can prosper using socialism when no other country has prospered using it. It's those "intelligent people" that vote more and more socialist policies into practice and into law. Its the "intelligent people" that cant figure out, despite numerous examples throughout history, the second amendment is the only thing standing between Freedom and living under dictator rule. It's the "intelligent people" that haven't figured out liberal government programs have one source of funding, the working taxpayer. Yet knowing the number of retirees is about to snowball, the number of moochers getting their "free" handouts is growing, the number of working taxpayers is decreasing, the country has 11 million illegals and counting that could end up granted amnesty and sucking up more government assistance, those "intelligent people" can't see that system is doomed to fail. How can the government fund more people on assistance, while collecting from fewer taxpayers, without increasing taxes? How can a growing number of retirees collect from social security, with fewer people working to pay into social security, without social security going bankrupt? You're so "intelligent", answer those few questions.
Where do you keep your brain? As every intelligent person knows, we’ve been living with socialism all our lives. That proves that you’re not intelligent, and that you don’t even know what socialism is.
Moron, the biggest FREE HANDOUTS go to the people who have skrood up your brain with nothing but lies. Then they laugh at you all the way to the bank. They can’t wait to destroy you either.
If you had a working brain, you’d demand more taxes from those who caused the Recession, the Elite, instead of from us.
You’d also know it was greedy conservatives who brought those illegals here, under REPUBLICAN Ronald Reagan, because they didn’t want to have to pay the American people a living wage, and that includes conservatives who can’t add 2 and 2.
Social security was fine until Republicans first started embezzling from it decades ago, but you’re too stupid to even know that basic fact.

Here’s one fact you never talk about, because it’s about something totally foreign to you people: accountability.
It’s only right that Republicans should pay higher taxes as compensation to their victims.
If there was any justice, the Elite would now be homeless, and the homeless would be filthy rich. The Elite would have been hauled into court, found guilty of their crimes and would be filling our prisons so those who should be release could be set free. They’d also lose everything they own to pay their victims, and the families of those whom they’ve murdered.
However, our legal system is nothing less than organized crime, but you never hear conservatives complain about any kind of evil. They only complain when an intelligent and good person attacks evil.

“Protest / support the marchers”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#6414 Apr 28, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
I would guess that intelligent people would reelect a President who's unemployment has been steadily bad, scandal after scandal such as Benghazi, Fast and Furious and Solyndra, has spent more money than all Presidents combined before him. That's what intelligent people do, reelect failures. LOL!
Conservatives proved they're traitors when the TWICE elected the World's Village Idiot, George Bush whose parents were so stupid they didn't even know enough to either name him Jr. or give him a different name to avoid a lifetime of confusion.
They also proved they're traitors when they kept electing him and his da-da as they kept promoting the New World Order.
The N W O is the worst treason in history, and it will destroy this country, but AGAIN, CONSERVATIVES ARE TRAITORS, LOYAL TO THE PARTY, NOT TO THE COUNTRY.
Where have we seen that before? Oh yes, Nazi Germany where the conservatives were loyal to Hitler and betrayed their country. Morons never learn the lessons of history.
They're so brain-dead they can't even learn current history, like the fact that GEORGE BUSH STARTED FAST AND FURIOUS, but Obama was caught up in it.
Lies, lies, lies, poor little conservative brains just soak them up.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6415 Apr 28, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
Don't know WHAT happened to the above.
My apologies.
No problem. This service is not known for it's perfection.

I see in your blame game that you consistently omit Bill Clinton. Wasn't he the President that signed the free trade agreement?

Yes, Williams is a conservative free market economist. But nobody has ever disputed his facts and figures. If you read the piece, you see he points to all of his sources which anybody could look up.

In short, free trade not only gained us jobs, but also better paying jobs. His point is that you can't have insourcing without outsourcing. We can't just close the doors on the borders and say we only let in--not out.

During Bush's first term, we seen a lot of steel mills closing down in the US. Bush tried to put an import tax on steel. Those countries put an import tax on American goods. Taxes don't work.

You also can't willy nilly things you heard all the time. Some of them have no truth to it. Bush didn't give tax breaks to companies that went overseas:

http://www.factcheck.org/kerry_blames_corpora...

“Protest / support the marchers”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#6416 Apr 28, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess you never heard of a woman named Oprah. When she gave to charity, she used her so-called generosity to make themes for her show which of course got ratings and made her money right back. She would have shows about her visiting her school in Africa that she had built or have shows on who she gave cars to. You're not kidding anybody.
Tax write offs are not all that much. They bring down your tax rate a little, but not like most people think. Just ask DumBama. He paid a lower tax rate than his secretary with his write-offs.
Yes, the wealthy use tax write-offs. So what?
The POINT is that you conveniently ignored the fact that I proved your point about liberals vs. conservatives was ridiculous.

“Protest / support the marchers”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#6417 Apr 28, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
What double standard? I see no double standard in his comment.
You don't understand because we on the right have a different philosophy of money than you on the left.
We believe that the money we create (through whatever means) is rightfully ours. What's wrong with that? On the other hand, lefties believe that all money earned by people belongs to government, and they give you an allowance of sorts, and it's their generosity that allowed you to keep some of your money.
"Liberals believe that if you earn money, you're not entitled to it. But if you want money, you are."
Ken Blackwell
Money you CREATE? Really?
Liberals believe ALL the money earned belongs to the government? Really?
Then you use an idiot’s quote to prove your point? Really?
This is just so much stupidity I don’t need to say anything. Nobody’s buying that stuff but other conservatives who believe everything they hear from each other.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6418 Apr 28, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No problem. This service is not known for it's perfection.
I see in your blame game that you consistently omit Bill Clinton. Wasn't he the President that signed the free trade agreement?
Yes, Williams is a conservative free market economist. But nobody has ever disputed his facts and figures. If you read the piece, you see he points to all of his sources which anybody could look up.
In short, free trade not only gained us jobs, but also better paying jobs. His point is that you can't have insourcing without outsourcing. We can't just close the doors on the borders and say we only let in--not out.
During Bush's first term, we seen a lot of steel mills closing down in the US. Bush tried to put an import tax on steel. Those countries put an import tax on American goods. Taxes don't work.
You also can't willy nilly things you heard all the time. Some of them have no truth to it. Bush didn't give tax breaks to companies that went overseas:
http://www.factcheck.org/kerry_blames_corpora...
Yes he did, it was actually signed by daddy Bush:

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The signed agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.

Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.

In the US, Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the signing prior to the end of his term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and signing into law to incoming president Bill Clinton. Prior to sending it to the United States Senate, Clinton introduced clauses to protect American workers and allay the concerns of many House members. It also required US partners to adhere to environmental practices and regulations similar to its own.

With much consideration and emotional discussion, the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, 234-200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats.

"In short, free trade not only gained us jobs, but also better paying jobs".

NOTHING could be further from the truth.

"Free" trade is a job and wage killer just as much as having Walmart come to town.

"During Bush's first term, we seen a lot of steel mills closing down in the US. Bush tried to put an import tax on steel. Those countries put an import tax on American goods. Taxes don't work".

Guess what happened?

Most of OUR steel and metal products come from.......... overseas.

Reaganomics doesn't work.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#6419 Apr 28, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>"Why is it that liberals think insults win debates? Could it be that they have no facts to stand on?
Oh, the "elite" control the government? You mean like Feinstein? Pelosi? The rest of the fat cat liberals in congress? You act like Republicans are the wealthiest people on planet earth. Take a close look at the finances of your saviors"!

Insults?

How do you figure?

No one is a republican anymore, neocon? Out.

Do you think you're "conservative"?

No such ideology or person or politician, so I refuse.

A corporatist perhaps.

Take a look at who?

At least they try to fake it.

Corporatist don't even try to fake they are here to help the people of the U.S.

"Those corporations didn't eliminate jobs! They moved them somewhere that has cheaper labor, when Democrats want to raise the minimum wage. They moved them somewhere that says their people are just happy to have a damn job"

Yes they did.

Now look who is happy to have a "damned job"?

Guess what?

We provided the infrastruture,money, power and capacity for them to dictate their agenda, then instead of gratitude, you get you should be "happy to have a damn job."

"I refuse to buy products made in China! I'm a man wearing a shoe named SAS (San Antonio Shoes) because its made in the USA. They are $150 for a pair of tennis shoes. What do you wear? Look at the label. You contributed to this! Not me"!

So do I, when possible and within reason, which it used to be, which is part of the problem.

SAS has cheaper tennis shoes, so don't try to imply the shoes you CHOSE to buy are the result of American labor.

You wanted those shoes, just as our customers should want U.S. products, because they are the best.

"You talk about the corporations the way you should be talking about the unions".

If you ever worked for a living, you would think differently, not unions, per se but they afforded the employee a lot of protections, salary and stability.

Corporatist have and are taking that all away so you can be "happy to have a damn job."
I see, this isn't an insult: Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>They make fools out of all teabaggers, not that they had that far to go anyway.
I guess you talk to your parents that way. That's part of this country's problem too.
The rest of your corporatist propaganda is just that.
Yes, look who's crying for jobs now! The same people that were to cheap to pay for made in the USA products.
Really? I didn't see any cheaper tennis shoes made by SAS. Please provide a link to them. I'll buy a pair.
I have worked for a living since I was 16 years old, in addition to attending school. I've been a pooper scooper at a vet's office, laborer in residential construction, painter, professional bass fisherman, and now own a small medical practice. You assumed I never worked for a living. That's another problem in this country. People assume others do as they do.
So the corporatist make it so people are glad to have a damn job? It has nothing to do with the liberal socialist Democrats stealing from the successful and giving to themselves and the freeloaders? It has nothing to do with people choosing cheap planned obsolescence over quality made in USA products? You have an Ostrich's perspective.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Lake Charles, LA

#6420 Apr 28, 2013
Protester wrote:
<quoted text>Where do you keep your brain? As every intelligent person knows, weÂ’ve been living with socialism all our lives. That proves that youÂ’re not intelligent, and that you donÂ’t even know what socialism is.
Moron, the biggest FREE HANDOUTS go to the people who have skrood up your brain with nothing but lies. Then they laugh at you all the way to the bank. They canÂ’t wait to destroy you either.
If you had a working brain, youÂ’d demand more taxes from those who caused the Recession, the Elite, instead of from us.
YouÂ’d also know it was greedy conservatives who brought those illegals here, under REPUBLICAN Ronald Reagan, because they didnÂ’t want to have to pay the American people a living wage, and that includes conservatives who canÂ’t add 2 and 2.
Social security was fine until Republicans first started embezzling from it decades ago, but youÂ’re too stupid to even know that basic fact.

HereÂ’s one fact you never talk about, because itÂ’s about something totally foreign to you people: accountability.
ItÂ’s only right that Republicans should pay higher taxes as compensation to their victims.
If there was any justice, the Elite would now be homeless, and the homeless would be filthy rich. The Elite would have been hauled into court, found guilty of their crimes and would be filling our prisons so those who should be release could be set free. TheyÂ’d also lose everything they own to pay their victims, and the families of those whom theyÂ’ve murdered.
However, our legal system is nothing less than organized crime, but you never hear conservatives complain about any kind of evil. They only complain when an intelligent and good person attacks evil.
Again with the insults. It's a way of life for you liberals. Lets just say I keep my brain protected where its supposed to be, unlike you who utilizes a protective coating of feces.
Please show where I stated we haven't lived with socialism. I pointed out that it was one of the problems in this country! Must ALL liberals put words in conservatives' mouths to stay in a debate?
The rest of your post is propaganda and projection. Scrape away a layer of feces, you may actually begin to understand the world around you.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#6422 Apr 28, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes he did, it was actually signed by daddy Bush:
Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The signed agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.
Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.
In the US, Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the signing prior to the end of his term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and signing into law to incoming president Bill Clinton. Prior to sending it to the United States Senate, Clinton introduced clauses to protect American workers and allay the concerns of many House members. It also required US partners to adhere to environmental practices and regulations similar to its own.
With much consideration and emotional discussion, the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, 234-200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats.
"In short, free trade not only gained us jobs, but also better paying jobs".
NOTHING could be further from the truth.
"Free" trade is a job and wage killer just as much as having Walmart come to town.
"During Bush's first term, we seen a lot of steel mills closing down in the US. Bush tried to put an import tax on steel. Those countries put an import tax on American goods. Taxes don't work".
Guess what happened?
Most of OUR steel and metal products come from.......... overseas.
Reaganomics doesn't work.
And how many jobs have we lost to Mexico or Canada? Most all of our goods come from China today, and some of it from India. I don't have to tell you that much of our customer service work is farmed to India. That's why you can't get a straight answer when you call for a problem with your toaster or cable television.

I'll stick with Dr. Williams theory that we are becoming an automated world. Furthermore, I see a great problem with illegal and legal immigration; people willing to come here and work for nothing. This lowers the worth of the American worker.

My father (a bricklayer) was asked if he wanted to take work in Florida for a few months during the winter. Usually during the winter, they are so harsh that bricklayers just go on unemployment for the season. My father loved his work and it sure beat the hell out of unemployment. He was all set to go when he found out that bricklayers down there make less than half of what he makes up here. Immigration.

I also see it in my line of work as a truck driver. These foreigners come here and will work weeks on end over the road, and they'll work for just about any wage.

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#6423 Apr 28, 2013
Protester wrote:
<quoted text>Conservatives proved they're traitors when the TWICE elected the World's Village Idiot, George Bush whose parents were so stupid they didn't even know enough to either name him Jr. or give him a different name to avoid a lifetime of confusion.
They also proved they're traitors when they kept electing him and his da-da as they kept promoting the New World Order.
The N W O is the worst treason in history, and it will destroy this country, but AGAIN, CONSERVATIVES ARE TRAITORS, LOYAL TO THE PARTY, NOT TO THE COUNTRY.
Where have we seen that before? Oh yes, Nazi Germany where the conservatives were loyal to Hitler and betrayed their country. Morons never learn the lessons of history.
They're so brain-dead they can't even learn current history, like the fact that GEORGE BUSH STARTED FAST AND FURIOUS, but Obama was caught up in it.
Lies, lies, lies, poor little conservative brains just soak them up.
You are confused by the two George Bushs, and you feel competent to debate politics? That is priceless!
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6424 Apr 28, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
And how many jobs have we lost to Mexico or Canada? Most all of our goods come from China today, and some of it from India. I don't have to tell you that much of our customer service work is farmed to India. That's why you can't get a straight answer when you call for a problem with your toaster or cable television.
I'll stick with Dr. Williams theory that we are becoming an automated world. Furthermore, I see a great problem with illegal and legal immigration; people willing to come here and work for nothing. This lowers the worth of the American worker.
My father (a bricklayer) was asked if he wanted to take work in Florida for a few months during the winter. Usually during the winter, they are so harsh that bricklayers just go on unemployment for the season. My father loved his work and it sure beat the hell out of unemployment. He was all set to go when he found out that bricklayers down there make less than half of what he makes up here. Immigration.
I also see it in my line of work as a truck driver. These foreigners come here and will work weeks on end over the road, and they'll work for just about any wage.
I don't agree as I have done both.

Down here and out of state when immigration had little to do with his and your assessment.

I started out as a blocklayer, did that for 6 years, when Igot out of that 25 years ago , I was making $17.00 hr., now they want to pay the same or less.

I drove cross country for Covenant transport (I know,spare me the insults) 15 years ago,@$0.24 a mile when I walked away 5 years later $@ 0.35 a mile.

What they pay now same damned thing, if your lucky.

Now, I'm making less than what I made 20 + years ago, it seems.

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#6425 Apr 28, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>No problem. This service is not known for it's perfection.

I see in your blame game that you consistently omit Bill Clinton. Wasn't he the President that signed the free trade agreement?

Yes, Williams is a conservative free market economist. But nobody has ever disputed his facts and figures. If you read the piece, you see he points to all of his sources which anybody could look up.

In short, free trade not only gained us jobs, but also better paying jobs. His point is that you can't have insourcing without outsourcing. We can't just close the doors on the borders and say we only let in--not out.

During Bush's first term, we seen a lot of steel mills closing down in the US. Bush tried to put an import tax on steel. Those countries put an import tax on American goods. Taxes don't work.

You also can't willy nilly things you heard all the time. Some of them have no truth to it. Bush didn't give tax breaks to companies that went overseas:

http://www.factcheck.org/kerry_blames_corpora...
Lol! That aught to leave a scar!

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#6426 Apr 28, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>I don't agree as I have done both.

Down here and out of state when immigration had little to do with his and your assessment.

I started out as a blocklayer, did that for 6 years, when Igot out of that 25 years ago , I was making $17.00 hr., now they want to pay the same or less.

I drove cross country for Covenant transport (I know,spare me the insults) 15 years ago,@$0.24 a mile when I walked away 5 years later $@ 0.35 a mile.

What they pay now same damned thing, if your lucky.

Now, I'm making less than what I made 20 + years ago, it seems.
Dude, you just made his point for him! Look at your time frame. Immigrants have increased in number over time. Does it not occur to you that is the reason for the lower wages?

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