Ripped apart by financial crisis, Gre...

Ripped apart by financial crisis, Greek society in free fall

There are 12 comments on the Star Tribune story from Nov 3, 2012, titled Ripped apart by financial crisis, Greek society in free fall. In it, Star Tribune reports that:

In this Oct. 4, 2012, file photo, riot police clash with protesters inside Greece's Defense Ministry in Athens.

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“Liberalism”

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#1 Nov 4, 2012
Greece need to become as USA and to follow eu-nato politic.

Only with this way will finish crisis and will become strong country.
Say What

Toronto, Canada

#2 Nov 5, 2012
Greece has been following NATO politics for the past 50 years.

If you look at the US and the EU, you will notice that the two have some similarities, but are very different in their approaches to economic growth.

Either way, economic growth is a joke - as it is artificial - growing through inflation and virtual (stock, real estate value, interest) money. The world is at a turning point - and Greece is one of the first tests to see what happens when an economy is deflated to bring it back to its "actual" net worth.

Big economies will be the last to go through this deflation, but it will happen when all of our companies move to developing nations, and our wages are slashed by 30 - 70% to make our economies "more competitive."

If we do not stand up and do something about it now, many more European and Western nations will go through what Greece is going through.

“Liberalism”

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#3 Nov 6, 2012
Greece not follow west politic.

Not only not follow, but used the seat in eu-nato and block politic of west.

1.Blocked solve of Cyprus.

2.Veto against Macedonia in NATO.

3.Refuse to recognize Kosovo.

4.Alliance with Putin.

Greece lost the support of west.

Crisis will stop only if Greece become west democracy and change politic in above subjects.
Say What

Toronto, Canada

#4 Nov 6, 2012
Greece like all "western democratic nations" belongs to the large banking system, to the corporations, and to the world economic powers that have stripped the middle and working class of all of their freedoms, and their quality of life.

If you want everyone to be a slave to money/the world economy, and you believe that the world will be better if everyone superficially jumped up and down yelling we are democratic, and we love our neighbours - then you have no understanding of how the world really works.

The US has the military muscle, and all western countries want to be part of NATO so they don't turn into targets like Iraq. Russia has political pull (with oil) and the Europeans have to give them respect. Putin is no worse than any other European leader, he only holds more power. The EU has the world's wealthiest "free market", so they are courted by the US, Russia, and by China which has the world's largest production line and a growing economy.

The west, including Greece, have all the same policies and are all on the same side. Kosovo, Macedonia, and Cyprus have the problem of not being part of the west - at least not for a long time. They need will learn to play the game, they will become western, and they will sell their souls to the same demons (banks, corporations, the IMF, the WTO, etc.) whom the west has been sold to as well.

Rethink your quest for a system feudal government where the world is owned by the wealthy. Think, don't regurgitate the crap you are being fed about how great the west is.

Peace to you.

“Liberalism”

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#5 Nov 7, 2012
1.Greece not have free economy. Everything control by the State.

2.Putin is nationalist antidemocrat and antiwest.

3.Free economy is the best system. And work if we have less State intervention.
Anonymous

Vancouver, Canada

#6 Nov 7, 2012
european2012 wrote:
1.Greece not have free economy. Everything control by the State.
2.Putin is nationalist antidemocrat and antiwest.
3.Free economy is the best system. And work if we have less State intervention.
How has a free economy helped the US compete with State run economies like China?

“Liberalism”

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#7 Nov 8, 2012
West accepted economy relations with China, because China accepted to make reforms.

China have development because made those liberal reforms.

As much liberal democratic politic, as much strong country.
Anonymous

Vancouver, Canada

#8 Nov 8, 2012
european2012 wrote:
West accepted economy relations with China, because China accepted to make reforms.
China have development because made those liberal reforms.
As much liberal democratic politic, as much strong country.
Could you give me an example?

“Liberalism”

Since: Oct 12

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#9 Nov 8, 2012
Example USA.
Anonymous

Vancouver, Canada

#10 Nov 8, 2012
Could you elaborate or am I to assume your proficiency at English is limited to monosyllabic responses?
well

Hamilton, Canada

#11 Nov 8, 2012
Greece is going down the drain. Excellent.
Say What

Toronto, Canada

#12 Nov 9, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Could you elaborate or am I to assume your proficiency at English is limited to monosyllabic responses?
Don't bother to ask... The level of reply from this individual is nothing more than neo-liberal Keynesian economic regurgitation pointing to 1. Trickle down theory, 2. Free Trade 3. Globalization 4. US multilateralism and multiculturalism, without thought of what those policies have done to the west during the past 30 years.

To watch the decline of western civilization, both in terms of economic well being and also, in democratic freedoms is painful. To see corporations move production, IT, and service positions to China, India, Indonesia, Mexico, etc. where wages are 70 - 90% less what they are in the west is criminal in the sense that they continue to sell those products back to us via free trade agreements. Then to see our governments curtail our rights - starting with all the policing after 9/11, then the way that governments treat protesters (G20 fences, and criminal police behaviour, etc.) and then to have our government pass bills that 1) allow workers to be imported to work in mines (not only do we outsource work, we now insource cheap labour from China) without any benefits or any protections 2) pass bills that don't allow individuals to strike, or to negotiate their wages (Bill 115 in Ontario).

Yet, we have some people who think that acting like the Eu and the US (both are in economic straights) is what will make things better. This is China's century, and the belief that multiculturalism and trickle down, slash taxes free trade economics will save the west is a joke...

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