Putina s Support of Abkhaziaa s Indep...

Putina s Support of Abkhaziaa s Independence Increases Tensions...

There are 37 comments on the findingDulcinea story from Aug 13, 2009, titled Putina s Support of Abkhaziaa s Independence Increases Tensions.... In it, findingDulcinea reports that:

Vladimir Putin's promise to defend the Abkhazia region has reignited tensions with Georgia, stoking fears of another armed conflict.

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Ariel

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#21 Aug 16, 2009
Also Big Joe,
I hope you understand that Mhedrioni massacred Abhazians, while "Chechens and Cossacks from the militarized Confederation of Mountain Peoples of the Caucasus (CMPC)who joined the Abkhaz military" were killing georgians. Hardly you'll be able to say that Chechens and Basaev were under Russian control - it would really be weird discussion then.
Ariel

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#22 Aug 16, 2009
One more thing, Big Joe, I think you are american?- Tell me please why USA can not stop violence in Iraq?- remember those suicide bombings shia against sunni etc? Why can not USA stop smuggling drugs from Afganistan (where it is grown/)- is it because USA condone it?- Hardly. And now think how many US troops are there and compare it to several hundred Russians in Abhazia in the middle of violence of such a proportion described in your links? So, please, be reasonable and don't accuse us that we failed to do things which were IMPOSSIBLE to do...
Big Joe

Cambridge, Canada

#23 Aug 16, 2009
Ariel

Your English is very good your knowledgeable and you seem like a decent dude.
What i am basically pointing out is many Georgians lost there homes in Abkhazia in large numbers and are being blocked from returning which is not really right.
In Iraq the Shia,Sunni conflicts will go on after the US leaves most likely Lebanon quite diverse is a little shakey at times themselves.
Drug smuggling it seems is almost impossible to stop Afghanistan has been a leader for a long time it's a real quagmire there.
I will say Russia is a far closer ally with the west than they themselves realize Islamic radicals appear to be very fanatical.
Good day sir.

“Lost college graduate”

Since: Jun 09

Portland

#24 Aug 16, 2009
I am sorry if my question is weird. I was curious if you read any newspapers where this information is also posted. I wanted to know because I wanted to research this topic further. I wanted to know if you can point me to any media source you think is reliable.
Ariel

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#25 Aug 17, 2009
cutglassnews,

You ofcourse need newspapers or sites in English - and that is real problem, because nearly everything in English on the topic is written in the West or by Georgians (Saakashvili himself speaks more English then his own language). I read both Russian and Abhazian (and S.Ossetian) sources in Russian - Russian language for them is the only way to be understood (how many people can read in Abhazian or Ossetian?- they have such sites but thanks God also they have some media in Russian)- but Russian is not enough for you - you need English - unfortunatelly, I don't know English language sources originated in Abhazia or S.Ossetia. Georgians do have such - but it is pure propaganda. Unfortunatelly Western sources are biased - like even in Wikipedia (the link provided by Big Joe) some very important facts to understand situation are missing - for example - there are names of all the Russian ships and troops which were in Abhazia during the War of 1992 - but it is not mentioned that those were not troops send there by Russia - but that those were troops which were stationed there since soviet times (USSR collapsed in december 1991 and Soviet army was everywhere in all republics - there were separate agreements for withdrawal which took months at least. But in Georgia at this moment president Gamsahurdia was besiedged in his palace by Mhedrioni paramilitants of Jaba Ioseliani (and those paramilitants had artillery and tanks!!!!). Gamsahurdia was besieged for 3 months - so since times when USSR was not yeat dismissed - he just had no opportunity not only for negotiations, but to eat in his dining room (he was siting in the bunker). On January 6 1992 he managed to escape slaming through Ioseliani's troops and fled to Megrelia (those megrels whom Georgians tryed to register as georgians to get numbers of "their" population figures in Abhazia (ha-ha!). Ioseliani and his Mhedrioni fighters invited Shewardnadze to be a president (but he was elected only in 1995 and before that was chairmen of temporary government. Gamsahurdia, although fugitive, was officially still the President). Gamsahurdia fled to Zugdidi (stronghold of megrels who supported him and hated Georgians) and there started civil war in western georgia (near the border of Abhazia) megrels were fighting Georgians of Shevardnadze (government forces) and Ioseliani (Mhedrioni) to restore Gamsahurdia. That was going on in the moment events in Abhazia agrevated in 1992 - naturaly Russian troops (ex-Soviet army) were siting in barraks both in Georgia proper and in Abhazia - those georgian leaders even didn't bother to negotiate withdrowal (what to say about Abhasians!). It was in this mess that Shewardnadse decided to ask Moscow for mediation with Abhazia (he had to solve problems with Gamsahurdia in Megrelia and didn't want to fight on 2 fronts, but Ioseliani with his Mhedrioni did want to fight in Abhasia!) Gamsahurdia who considered himself real President was going to fight everybody and everywhere, but had no army (only loyal megrels!, but those megrels didn't want to fight with Abhazians because megrels also suffered a lot from Georgians). So at that moment aggreement was sighned by Shewardnadze for Government georgian troops withdrawal from Abhazia (Russia as a garant), Ioseliani and his Mhedrioni didn't obey - then read our previous correspondence with Big Joe - wikipedia make impression that those Russians as if invaded from somewhere in Russia - no way, they have always been there with everybody's consent - it makes a big difference isn't it? So I really don't know what to recommend you in English. Unfortunatelly the West don't like Russia and Western analises will always be biased...Thank you for reading.
joseph

Chieti, Italy

#26 Aug 24, 2009
All peoples have straight to build its indipendent state.
Abkhazia and South ossetia are indipendent by the Georgia and needs
respecte their straight to the self-
determination.
LOL

Georgia

#27 Aug 25, 2009
Ariel wrote:
Stalin (who was georgian) gave Abhazia (which have NEVER been part of Georgia) to Georgia as autonomy and as a result...
Ariel---which idiot educated your vodka rotting brain that you think Stalin gave Abkhazia to Georgia? then again it is not a surprise that you would say that, Putin is washing your stupid mongol brain as it it not very hard to do so.
you stupid moron, Abkhazia was part of Georgia for 1000s of years, way before stalin was born. fcuk Stalins mother, if he wasnt born, russia would not exist today, that tirant prick.
its funny how you russians hate and love Stalin. if he did somthing bad, he was Georgian, if good he was Russian.
enough time wasted talking to mongols like you, but i have news for you. Russia will be split in many parts before 2015, Ingush, Chechen and rest will rape your mothers and sisters while your corrupt governemnt is blown up by bombs. good luck my vodka drinking mongoloids, you gona need it.
LOL

Georgia

#28 Aug 25, 2009
Ariel wrote:
cutglassnews,
You ofcourse need newspapers or sites in English - and that is real problem, because nearly everything in English on the topic is written in the West or by Georgians (Saakashvili himself speaks more English then his own language). I read both Russian and Abhazian (and S.Ossetian) sources in Russian - Russian language for them is the only way to be understood (how many people can read in Abhazian or Ossetian?- they have such sites but thanks God also they have some media in Russian)- but Russian is not enough for you - you need English - unfortunatelly, I don't know English language sources originated in Abhazia or S.Ossetia. Georgians do have such - but it is pure propaganda. Unfortunatelly Western sources are biased - like even in Wikipedia (the link provided by Big Joe) some very important facts to understand situation are missing - for example - there are names of all the Russian ships and troops which were in Abhazia during the War of 1992 - but it is not mentioned that those were not troops send there by Russia - but that those were troops which were stationed there since soviet times (USSR collapsed in december 1991 and Soviet army was everywhere in all republics - there were separate agreements for withdrawal which took months at least. But in Georgia at this moment president Gamsahurdia was besiedged in his palace by Mhedrioni paramilitants of Jaba Ioseliani (and those paramilitants had artillery and tanks!!!!). Gamsahurdia was besieged for 3 months - so since times when USSR was not yeat dismissed - he just had no opportunity not only for negotiations, but to eat in his dining room (he was siting in the bunker). On January 6 1992 he managed to escape slaming through Ioseliani's troops and fled to Megrelia (those megrels whom Georgians tryed to register as georgians to get numbers of "their" population figures in Abhazia (ha-ha!). Ioseliani and his Mhedrioni fighters invited Shewardnadze to be a president (but he was elected only in 1995 and before that was chairmen of temporary government. Gamsahurdia, although fugitive, was officially still the President). Gamsahurdia fled to Zugdidi (stronghold of megrels who supported him and hated Georgians) and there started civil war in western georgia (near the border of Abhazia) megrels were fighting Georgians of Shevardnadze (government forces) and Ioseliani (Mhedrioni) to restore Gamsahurdia. That was going on in the moment events in Abhazia agrevated in 1992 - naturaly Russian troops (ex-Soviet army) were siting in barraks both in Georgia proper and in Abhazia - those georgian leaders even didn't bother to negotiate withdrowal (what to say about Abhasians!). It was in this mess that Shewardnadse decided to ask Moscow for mediation with Abhazia (he had to solve problems with Gamsahurdia in Megrelia and didn't want to fight on 2 fronts, but Ioseliani with his Mhedrioni did want to fight in Abhasia!) Gamsahurdia who considered himself real President was going to fight everybody and everywhere, but had no army (only loyal megrels!, but those megrels didn't want to fight with Abhazians
you should change your name to Propaganda+
and you realy need to stop spreading your bullshit, if anyone believes your lies is twice an idiot you are. I MEAN COMON PEOPLE IS IT REALY THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND? its so simple: look at the Russian Government: coruption is at its peak as always, KGB(so called fsb) is terrorising journalists who say truth and murder inocent, Mafia is running prety much everything and Putin is mob leader. need more?
Hans Puss

New York, NY

#29 Aug 25, 2009
Putin's annual shirtless photo op really cracks me up. I hope one year he's pictured wrestling an alligator or flying on the wings of an eagle.

Since: Apr 09

Georgia

#30 Aug 28, 2009
Mad Puttin,I am so sorry that Russians are suffering under his dictatorship and criminal regieme. I hope soon you will be liberated from this pathetic aggressor.(Rassia bez Putina!!!)
Carlos

Georgia

#32 Aug 30, 2009
Too much discussions based on unclear statistics, and predetermined concepts that are often driven into people's mind by propaganda. The basic principles are:

1. Inhabitants of an area have the right to chose their plight. Nobody, however enlighted he/she may be, has the right to deny them that. People who lived their own history are better juges of it. This is the principle of self determination

2. Reaity is that security is a reciprocal interest between neighbors. This is wisdom 101 - Conflicts between neighbors are always harmful to the parties in conflict, and often become ever lasting.

What is needed is wisdom, not rhetoric.

Since: Apr 09

Tbilisi, Georgia

#33 Aug 31, 2009
Carlos wrote:
Too much discussions based on unclear statistics, and predetermined concepts that are often driven into people's mind by propaganda. The basic principles are:
1. Inhabitants of an area have the right to chose their plight. Nobody, however enlighted he/she may be, has the right to deny them that. People who lived their own history are better juges of it. This is the principle of self determination
2. Reaity is that security is a reciprocal interest between neighbors. This is wisdom 101 - Conflicts between neighbors are always harmful to the parties in conflict, and often become ever lasting.
What is needed is wisdom, not rhetoric.
Depends upon the situation.
Abchazian

Newark, NJ

#34 Oct 27, 2009
Besserk wrote:
<quoted text>
Depends upon the situation.
You have no chance
Janet

Irrigon, OR

#35 Oct 27, 2009
Someone needs to put Putin in his place.
Abchazian

Newark, NJ

#36 Oct 27, 2009
And...

Since: Apr 09

York, UK

#37 Oct 27, 2009
Abchazian wrote:
<quoted text>You have no chance
Without Russian support,we will take all abkhazia and Ossetia in 5 days.
Abchazian

Newark, NJ

#39 Oct 27, 2009
All right

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