Can Ohio sustain all these casinos?

Can Ohio sustain all these casinos?

There are 39 comments on the The Columbus Dispatch story from Oct 7, 2012, titled Can Ohio sustain all these casinos?. In it, The Columbus Dispatch reports that:

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Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#26 Oct 7, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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Yeah, but once we reach saturation--which is where we seem to be now, don't look for it to be pulling in out of state dollars to any great extent. And the social costs are real.
I would imagine in another 10 years or so the surviving casinos on any great scale will be in places like Atlantic City and Las Vegas, where they have build an entire tourist industry around it. All the rest is going to look more like those neighborhood "internet cafes," nothing more than seedy establishments that bleed the truly involved and maybe a few local recreational gamblers.
Atlantic City is not a tourist destination? Have you ever been there? Go a few blocks away from the casinos and you have desolation and crime that rivals Detroit. 90% of Atlantic City's clientele are day trippers from New England, Philly, Baltimore and DC. And the majority are seniors with low incomes. They make Vegas look like Monaco.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#27 Oct 7, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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Yeah, but once we reach saturation--which is where we seem to be now, don't look for it to be pulling in out of state dollars to any great extent. And the social costs are real.
I would imagine in another 10 years or so the surviving casinos on any great scale will be in places like Atlantic City and Las Vegas, where they have build an entire tourist industry around it. All the rest is going to look more like those neighborhood "internet cafes," nothing more than seedy establishments that bleed the truly involved and maybe a few local recreational gamblers.
Nevada only has 4 casino's?

if those survive after 60 years, maybe they will build another one.

I await your spin how that is different.

Problem with casino's is that they prey on the stupid.

Nevada has Harry Ried as a Senator. Enough said.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#28 Oct 7, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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As usual, Cleveland F'd up again. Do you know how many cities would kill for a lakefront? Not Cleveland. Our lakefront looks like something from a scary movie. We have an airport that hardly anybody uses, and then there are those ugly buildings that look like barracks or something next to the marina.
What they should have done is start clearing out that property and put the casino on the lake. Then you would have something to brag about. But no, just bury it downtown or something and put up a bunch of speed cameras.
I don't agree with that. These casinos they're building here aren't to be confused with the Luxor or the Mandalay Bay. They are simply not going to be any more glamorous than the casinos you see in old Las Vegas, and even less glamourous than Atlantic City.

It's an activity. it's something people wanted, but you shouldn't ruin something like the waterfront with a casino. Columbus "almost" has the right idea creating parkland along the river. The river is your focal point, establishments come and go. Twenty years ago all the floating bars and restaurants in Covington were something to see. Now people have moved on to the Main Strasse.

If you junk up the lakefront now, it'll be nice for 20 years and then it becomes a hole again as people race for something newer and better.

Where Columbus went wrong is that there should be an isolated area where there is some activity, just to create some buzz, but they were probably afraid of hurting the Arena District. But Columbus still did the right thing making most of the river parkland. Central Park is a true gem for New York. Something along the same lines on the lake would do the same for Cleveland and making it more of a destination.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#29 Oct 7, 2012
Cleavon Little wrote:
<quoted text>Atlantic City is not a tourist destination? Have you ever been there? Go a few blocks away from the casinos and you have desolation and crime that rivals Detroit. 90% of Atlantic City's clientele are day trippers from New England, Philly, Baltimore and DC. And the majority are seniors with low incomes. They make Vegas look like Monaco.
The casinos they're building here have all the glamour of a big box store. in fact, that's what the Hollywood looks like to me. Like a mall department store anchor.

All ranting and raving aside, if that's what you enjoy then be my guest. But don't mistake these places for the Bellagio or Wynn's. You are going to the Macy's or maybe even Target of casinos. You shouldn't base long term development on something that will probably look like crap in 20 years.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#30 Oct 7, 2012
Reality Speaks wrote:
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Nevada only has 4 casino's?
if those survive after 60 years, maybe they will build another one.
I await your spin how that is different.
Problem with casino's is that they prey on the stupid.
Nevada has Harry Ried as a Senator. Enough said.
One of our taxi drivers was from Eastern Europe and we were talking. He told me Vegas is a great city, but it's no place to raise a family. With all the seedy things Vegas is known for, he just didn't like the environment and the people his kids rubbed elbows with. That's just one opinion, but I thought it was interesting and why I was against the casino downtown. I have no problem with where it's at now, as the entire area is practically desolate. That was the ONE place in town where the casino actually was a benefit.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#31 Oct 7, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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One of our taxi drivers was from Eastern Europe and we were talking. He told me Vegas is a great city, but it's no place to raise a family. With all the seedy things Vegas is known for, he just didn't like the environment and the people his kids rubbed elbows with. That's just one opinion, but I thought it was interesting and why I was against the casino downtown. I have no problem with where it's at now, as the entire area is practically desolate. That was the ONE place in town where the casino actually was a benefit.
Vegas built up on gambling, but also a whole slew of entertainment. Not sure it's as inexpensive as it once was when gambling was the big money-maker and the food and drinks, and shows were practically give-aways. But, as a non-gambler, I could have a good time there. Can't say the same about most of the mid-west gambling meccas.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#32 Oct 7, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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One of our taxi drivers was from Eastern Europe and we were talking. He told me Vegas is a great city, but it's no place to raise a family. With all the seedy things Vegas is known for, he just didn't like the environment and the people his kids rubbed elbows with. That's just one opinion, but I thought it was interesting and why I was against the casino downtown. I have no problem with where it's at now, as the entire area is practically desolate. That was the ONE place in town where the casino actually was a benefit.
I agree about the current location, Short-term it has to be an improvement. Ten years down the road it may be back to nothing--or simply ripe for some other new development, hard to say.

Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#33 Oct 7, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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The casinos they're building here have all the glamour of a big box store. in fact, that's what the Hollywood looks like to me. Like a mall department store anchor.
All ranting and raving aside, if that's what you enjoy then be my guest. But don't mistake these places for the Bellagio or Wynn's. You are going to the Macy's or maybe even Target of casinos. You shouldn't base long term development on something that will probably look like crap in 20 years.
Atlantic City casinos look like that because they know their clientele. Blue hairs from Queens and Nassau County who buy the $69 bus trip that includes lunch and $25 in chips.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#34 Oct 7, 2012
Ohio Wrangler wrote:
All of the Ohio casinos surrounded by other states gambling facilities reminds me of the big box stores. They all crowd into an area where one was doing great--and they all must share in the sales.
McDonald's and Starbucks did much better business until they put one on each block.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#35 Oct 7, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
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McDonald's and Starbucks did much better business until they put one on each block.
Of the casinos, I read somewhere where the Hollywood people consider Columbus the gem of all the casino sites. I don't know about that unless they are counting on bus tours like George mentioned coming from places like Dayton, Indiana, West Virginia and Southern Ohio. I actually mapped it out - the Columbus Hollywood is actually closer to about half of Dayton than the Hollywood casino in Lawrenceburg. But then again, Dayton's going to get a racino so I wonder how much of a market there is for table games, when you're already going to have horses and slots. I guess if you live in Mansfield and don't like the Horseshoe, Columbus is about the same distance. We'll see what happens.

Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#36 Oct 7, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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Vegas built up on gambling, but also a whole slew of entertainment. Not sure it's as inexpensive as it once was when gambling was the big money-maker and the food and drinks, and shows were practically give-aways. But, as a non-gambler, I could have a good time there. Can't say the same about most of the mid-west gambling meccas.
No more $5 buffets in Vegas. You're looking at $25 and up even for mediocre dinner buffets (unless you want to subject yourself to a place like Circus Circus.) As for shows, you're going to pay Broadway play prices for anything worth seeing. Not sure what it takes to get comped these days, but I guarantee it's a lot more than it was in the past.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#37 Oct 7, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Of the casinos, I read somewhere where the Hollywood people consider Columbus the gem of all the casino sites. I don't know about that unless they are counting on bus tours like George mentioned coming from places like Dayton, Indiana, West Virginia and Southern Ohio. I actually mapped it out - the Columbus Hollywood is actually closer to about half of Dayton than the Hollywood casino in Lawrenceburg. But then again, Dayton's going to get a racino so I wonder how much of a market there is for table games, when you're already going to have horses and slots. I guess if you live in Mansfield and don't like the Horseshoe, Columbus is about the same distance. We'll see what happens.
The only desire I even have to visit a casino is just to watch the people. If I so choose, I can lose money in a heartbeat but I choose to hold on to it. The biggest gamble I ever made was getting married and boy did I crap out on that one!!!
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#38 Oct 7, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
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The only desire I even have to visit a casino is just to watch the people. If I so choose, I can lose money in a heartbeat but I choose to hold on to it. The biggest gamble I ever made was getting married and boy did I crap out on that one!!!
At some point I'm going to pop in just to see the building, how it's laid out and how it's designed. I doubt it'll be that much different than the one in Lawrenceburg (been there twice). I just can't get that excited over the prospect of winning $50, especially since the likelihood of losing is greater - and I always lose. The games don't interest me enough that I actually want to know the math behind craps, slots or any of those things. It does nothing for me.

Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#39 Oct 7, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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At some point I'm going to pop in just to see the building, how it's laid out and how it's designed. I doubt it'll be that much different than the one in Lawrenceburg (been there twice). I just can't get that excited over the prospect of winning $50, especially since the likelihood of losing is greater - and I always lose. The games don't interest me enough that I actually want to know the math behind craps, slots or any of those things. It does nothing for me.
Like I said before, if we can get the Bradley Act repealed, it will mean more money and a hell of a lot more fun with a sports book operating. Why do you think weekends in the Fall are so busy in Vegas?
Trixy

Columbus, OH

#40 Oct 7, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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At some point I'm going to pop in just to see the building, how it's laid out and how it's designed. I doubt it'll be that much different than the one in Lawrenceburg (been there twice). I just can't get that excited over the prospect of winning $50, especially since the likelihood of losing is greater - and I always lose. The games don't interest me enough that I actually want to know the math behind craps, slots or any of those things. It does nothing for me.
Agreed
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#41 Oct 7, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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Vegas built up on gambling, but also a whole slew of entertainment. Not sure it's as inexpensive as it once was when gambling was the big money-maker and the food and drinks, and shows were practically give-aways. But, as a non-gambler, I could have a good time there. Can't say the same about most of the mid-west gambling meccas.
I can tell you from experience.

Since 1985 I have gone to Vegas for multiple trade shows as a Manufacturers Representative.

At minimum I would have to work 4 separate trade shows in Vegas a year. I have spent a minimum of 108 weeks of my life in Vegas over the past 27 years.

Trade shows are held there because they are better attended than say Chicago, Orlando, New Orleans, Orange County, Dallas, Atlanta, NYC. I have attended trade shows in all those cities as well.

Vegas tried to reinvent itself a few years back as a family vacation spot and failed miserably.

It is now back to what goes on in Vegas stays in Vegas.

I figured out real early in life they don't build those fancy resorts on winners.

vegas has great food and entertainment. Don't gamble.

Casino's prey on the stupid and drunk. They will take all you have; and smile telling you to have a nice day.

When the Columbus casino opens I plan on going for dinner and entertainment; but will only gamble with stock or mutual fund picks.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#42 Oct 7, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
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The only desire I even have to visit a casino is just to watch the people. If I so choose, I can lose money in a heartbeat but I choose to hold on to it. The biggest gamble I ever made was getting married and boy did I crap out on that one!!!
smart man.

learn from experience

next time think with the big head.

I failed in the same gamble you did; but rebounded quite nicely.

I would rather drink a $100 bottle of wine, then gamble $100.

at least when I urinate I see what I paid for.

Casino's are not built by losing bets.
hef

Mooresville, NC

#43 Oct 7, 2012
ha

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#44 Oct 7, 2012
Reality Speaks wrote:
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smart man.
learn from experience
next time think with the big head.
I failed in the same gamble you did; but rebounded quite nicely.
I would rather drink a $100 bottle of wine, then gamble $100.
at least when I urinate I see what I paid for.
Casino's are not built by losing bets.
Uh, I think you meant Casino's aren't built by winning bets. It's the losers who pay for the buildings, entertainment etc...

When I was out of the country I dabbled with slot machines, gee, this was 30 years ago. I hit one jackpot, collected my coins, cashed them in and I was done. My buddies couldn't figure out why I didn't try to play for 'the big one' My answer was simple, I put up a few bucks with the intent of losing it. When that didn't pan out, I got free dinner and drinks for the night.

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