Somali piracy 'evil that must be erased'

Nov 24, 2008 Full story: Independent Online 45

The spate of piracy attacks off the Somali coast, such as the hijacking of the Sirius Star super-tanker last weekend, raises the spectre of maritime terrorism, according to experts.

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Captain A

Tolleson, AZ

#1 Nov 25, 2008
Go ahead France, go get them! Lets see the French Navy take action for the peace of the world? Its a noble cause and no one would give you grief for it.

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#2 Nov 26, 2008
We're already doing it, you moron.
We seem able to carry it out rapidly, calmly, with aplmomb, saving the crew, the vessel, the ransom money, and transferring the pirates to the competent legal authorities.

You could learn so much from us, but your flapping lips get in the way of your blinkered tunnel vision.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3647...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/15/fr...

http://informationdissemination.blogspot.com/...
Captain A

Tolleson, AZ

#3 Nov 26, 2008
WOW!! you neeed to stop drinking so much caffeine....Pierre! I read the links you posted and I think its great. Like I said above it would be great if the French became more involved in the anti terrorist business and it looks like they are starting to so Viva la France!(On this one)

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#4 Nov 26, 2008
Captain A wrote:
WOW!! you neeed to stop drinking so much caffeine....Pierre! I read the links you posted and I think its great. Like I said above it would be great if the French became more involved in the anti terrorist business and it looks like they are starting to so Viva la France!(On this one)
Sorry, I'm so used to your continual sniping and running down of the French that even a compliment from you looks like a snide, sneering attack.

I do also think you'll find we are VERY involved in the anti-terrorist side of things, but we don't tend to make a big fuss about it, because it's not worth making a fuss over.

It's far more efficient to address the root causes of the problems as well.

Locking the stable door after the horse has bolted is a bad way to run things.
lily

Ilford, UK

#5 Nov 26, 2008
islamists first say theyll chase the pirates away then join them to share the booty- and now theyre also going for muslim countries ships. money talks. theyll turn on their own kind for money. same like in malaysia they ban yoga but they run casinos and the money goes in the govt coffers? how low is their moral bar

Since: Nov 08

Drayton, UK

#6 Nov 26, 2008
Piracy will continue as long as somalia is lawless. You can't police a 2,300 mile sea border and 1.1 million square miles of water.
Just wondering

Oslo, Norway

#7 Nov 26, 2008
lily wrote:
islamists first say theyll chase the pirates away then join them to share the booty- and now theyre also going for muslim countries ships. money talks. theyll turn on their own kind for money. same like in malaysia they ban yoga but they run casinos and the money goes in the govt coffers? how low is their moral bar
Then you will have 101 nights Arabian wedding with one pirate. Wow! what a night.
Jazz singer

Romford, UK

#8 Nov 26, 2008
unforgivable wrote:
You can't police a 2,300 mile sea border and 1.1 million square miles of water.
Yes you can, easy !!

With all the technology available, a 'task force' could monitor by satellite all movements coming from Somali harbours, track down any vessel leaving a coastal position, approach it by sea or air, challenge it, and if met by resistance sink it.

Any small vessel, fishing boat, small feighter, pleasure boat out of any Somali harbour should be treated as suspect, intercepted and destroyed.
Large navy ships could blockage Somali ports and prevent the pirates to operate freely.

There is at the moment no Somali 'government' that could protest against this action.
The West knows perfectly well who is behind this, where the pirates operate from, where they live, etc...
As usual nothing is done about it.

Maybe a massive ecological disaster, like the sinking of this huge tanker bringing unheard-of pollution in the Ocean would make the world take notice of these pirates and do something about them.
As usual, the international community will react too late.
Jazz singer

Romford, UK

#9 Nov 26, 2008
unforgivable wrote:
Piracy will continue as long as somalia is lawless. You can't police a 2,300 mile sea border and 1.1 million square miles of water.
Piracy payback: UN plans blitz on Somali bases

The United Nations is reportedly planning military action against east African pirates. A source close to the UN Security Council told RT itís considering authorising a raid on bases along the Somali coast. If this happens, armed strikes could target land bases of known pirates threatening boats in the Gulf of Aden.

The UN Security Council has unanimously agreed to adopt a resolution aimed at tackling piracy off the coast of Somalia. The measures include freezing the assets and restricting the travel of individuals and organisations who violate the country's arms embargo.

But some experts say the fight won't be effective unless a new international body is set up to co-ordinate the forces from the various nations.

A number of countries have agreed to send more ships to the Gulf of Aden, while the British navy has offered a ship to act as a command centre.

The UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon told the Security Council the surge in piracy against ships along the Somali coast has affected trade, and contributed to a humanitarian crisis. He also said the countryís transitional federal government is suffering. The East African nation has been without a functioning government since 1991 and has no navy to police its coastline.

In early June, the UN Security Council passed a resolution permitting countries to enter Somalia's territorial waters to combat "acts of piracy and armed robbery at sea."

The UN Charter allows the Council to order action like this if there is a perceived threat to peace or security.

Pirates' trophies

The crew of at least seventeen ships are being held hostage by pirates off Somalia, including three vessels seized in the past two days: a Greek bulk carrier, a Thai fishing boat and an Iranian bulk freighter.

International concern over shipping safety in the region has risen since a huge tanker, the Sirius Star, carrying up to 2 million barrels of Saudi oil was seized on Saturday.

Nine ships have been hijacked in the area in just two weeks. Over two hundred sailors are being held hostage by Somali pirates.

Indian warship sinks pirate vessel

On Wednesday pirates saw the first failure after a series of successful seizures. An Indian navy warship Tabar sank a pirate vessel in the Gulf of Aden when it attempted to ram Tabar.

The Indian ship is part of a multi-national force patrolling the region where one in ten merchant vessels comes under attack.

It is a multi-purpose vessel built at a Russian shipbuilding plant in St Petersburg. The ship entered the Indian Navy in 2004. Tabar is capable of leading military actions against ships and submarines as well as counter air attacks.

Earlier Tabar took part in battles with pirates. In early November it countered the attack at the Indian cargo ship Jag Arnav, making the pirates flee.

Indian military vessels were dispatched to the Gulf of Aden on October 3.

Source Russia Today.
The Chief

Oslo, Norway

#10 Nov 26, 2008
Jazz singer wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes you can, easy !!
With all the technology available, a 'task force' could monitor by satellite all movements coming from Somali harbours, track down any vessel leaving a coastal position, approach it by sea or air, challenge it, and if met by resistance sink it.
Any small vessel, fishing boat, small feighter, pleasure boat out of any Somali harbour should be treated as suspect, intercepted and destroyed.
Large navy ships could blockage Somali ports and prevent the pirates to operate freely.
There is at the moment no Somali 'government' that could protest against this action.
The West knows perfectly well who is behind this, where the pirates operate from, where they live, etc...
As usual nothing is done about it.
Maybe a massive ecological disaster, like the sinking of this huge tanker bringing unheard-of pollution in the Ocean would make the world take notice of these pirates and do something about them.
As usual, the international community will react too late.
I wish something could be done about these pirates without harming the livelihood of those people at the coast. Fishing is scurry these days as I listened VOA which says fishing income is reduced at the coastal towns. The fishers were harassed they said by patrol ships, and they are also scared to be shot mistakenly.
I think such things could be overcome, but I am not sure how long this mission can continue due to the the high cost of the operation.
Jazz singer

Romford, UK

#11 Nov 26, 2008
The Chief wrote:
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I wish something could be done about these pirates without harming the livelihood of those people at the coast. Fishing is scurry these days as I listened VOA which says fishing income is reduced at the coastal towns. The fishers were harassed they said by patrol ships, and they are also scared to be shot mistakenly.
I think such things could be overcome, but I am not sure how long this mission can continue due to the the high cost of the operation.
It's all very well to worry about genuine Somalian fishermen, but that will not solve the problem of piracy. The tip-toe approach is typical of the West.

We, the West, have to be as ruthless as they are and hunt them in their stronghold, and systematically sink every vessel found on the Somali coast. We should track them, destroy their houses, their equipment and get rid of the problem, once and for all.

There are already mentions of possible links between these pirates and Al Qaeda.

Since: Nov 08

Drayton, UK

#12 Nov 26, 2008
Jazz singer wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes you can, easy !!
With all the technology available, a 'task force' could monitor by satellite all movements coming from Somali harbours, track down any vessel leaving a coastal position, approach it by sea or air, challenge it, and if met by resistance sink it.
Any small vessel, fishing boat, small feighter, pleasure boat out of any Somali harbour should be treated as suspect, intercepted and destroyed.
Large navy ships could blockage Somali ports and prevent the pirates to operate freely.
There is at the moment no Somali 'government' that could protest against this action.
The West knows perfectly well who is behind this, where the pirates operate from, where they live, etc...
As usual nothing is done about it.
Maybe a massive ecological disaster, like the sinking of this huge tanker bringing unheard-of pollution in the Ocean would make the world take notice of these pirates and do something about them.
As usual, the international community will react too late.
That is unfeasable. The pirates are fishermen who know their waters in and out. Besides someone needs to keep those foreign theives and robbers from looting somalian resources and the pirates act as a deterrent

Since: Nov 08

Drayton, UK

#13 Nov 26, 2008
Jazz singer wrote:
<quoted text>
It's all very well to worry about genuine Somalian fishermen, but that will not solve the problem of piracy. The tip-toe approach is typical of the West.
We, the West, have to be as ruthless as they are and hunt them in their stronghold, and systematically sink every vessel found on the Somali coast. We should track them, destroy their houses, their equipment and get rid of the problem, once and for all.
There are already mentions of possible links between these pirates and Al Qaeda.
The top us general says there is no link between fishermen and al qaeda. The fiherman needs fish to live. Why does he care about al qaeda?

Besides if the west will not stop these thugs from asia and europe coming into somali waters illegaly then they deserve to be kidnapped or be thrown overseas.
Jazz singer

Romford, UK

#14 Nov 26, 2008
unforgivable wrote:
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That is unfeasable. The pirates are fishermen who know their waters in and out. Besides someone needs to keep those foreign theives and robbers from looting somalian resources and the pirates act as a deterrent
Are you real or are you joking?

Who care about fishermen if they are pirates: send them at the bottom.

And who are these foreign thieves you talk about?
Pirates are thieves!!!
Jazz singer

Romford, UK

#15 Nov 26, 2008
unforgivable wrote:
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The top us general says there is no link between fishermen and al qaeda. The fiherman needs fish to live. Why does he care about al qaeda?
Besides if the west will not stop these thugs from asia and europe coming into somali waters illegaly then they deserve to be kidnapped or be thrown overseas.
The Gulf of Aden, the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean are NOT Somali waters!!

What are you talking about?
Who are the thugs from asia and europe ?

The Somali pirates are the thugs!!

What the top us general knows anyway? He is still looking for WMDs in Iraq?

If there is no link between Somali pirates and Al Qaeda, let's invent one and have the excuse to bomb these bastards!!
Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#16 Nov 26, 2008
The chickenshits are too PC to do anything efective
Jazz singer

Romford, UK

#17 Nov 26, 2008
Bob Burns wrote:
The chickenshits are too PC to do anything efective
I am afraid that you are right there!

Too much PC, too much 'human right', too much compassion.
Jazz singer

Romford, UK

#18 Nov 26, 2008
unforgivable wrote:
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That is unfeasable. The pirates are fishermen who know their waters in and out. Besides someone needs to keep those foreign theives and robbers from looting somalian resources and the pirates act as a deterrent
Hey, you are actually supporting these pirates!!

You are all over the Somalia forum, telling how justified these bastards are !!

You must ne one of them !!
Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#19 Nov 26, 2008
Jazz singer wrote:
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I am afraid that you are right there!
Too much PC, too much 'human right', too much compassion.
Misplaced compassion

“Cogito Ergo Sum”

Since: Feb 08

South of France

#20 Nov 27, 2008
Jazz singer wrote:
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It's all very well to worry about genuine Somalian fishermen, but that will not solve the problem of piracy. The tip-toe approach is typical of the West.
We, the West, have to be as ruthless as they are and hunt them in their stronghold, and systematically sink every vessel found on the Somali coast. We should track them, destroy their houses, their equipment and get rid of the problem, once and for all.
There are already mentions of possible links between these pirates and Al Qaeda.
Whilst I agree with some of what you write, this is way over the top, and will create more problems than it will solve.
This is a typical neocon knee-jerk type action, and it simply doesn't work. Ever.

Look at the root causes of the problem, and start thinking from there.
Most of the Somalian pirates are fishermen, who joined up with armed bandits to earn a livelihood because their coastal waters were being fished out by foreign trawlers taking advantage of the lack of a Somalian navy and fisheries protection force.

I don't condone their actions, but I do understand their level of desperation.

Al Qaeda as some nebulous global terrorist organization is a mythical bogeyman with as much grounding in reality as Santa Claus.
Seriously, research a little.

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