French say King Arthur is a figment o...

French say King Arthur is a figment of the British imagination

There are 18 comments on the Daily India story from Jun 30, 2008, titled French say King Arthur is a figment of the British imagination. In it, Daily India reports that:

London, June 30: French historians have determined that King Arthur was nothing but a mythical character who was invented at a certain point in history by the British for essentially political reasons.

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“Centurionus Primus”

Since: Jun 08

Brendesium

#1 Jun 30, 2008
If King Arthur was a myth of the British; then cowardice, treachery, complicity, ingratitude and enemy collaboration is a FACT for the Gauls (modern-day French)
Sillius Soddus

Madrid, Spain

#2 Jul 1, 2008
well, I donĀ“t believe in De Gaulle.
Krypteia

Shoreham-by-sea, UK

#3 Jul 1, 2008
Was Napoleon a horse in a book.
Toltec

United States

#4 Jul 2, 2008
Time and time again the so called legends of the past have all too often been proven to be true. Besides what do the French know of the British?
This sounds like the Muslims at the dome of the Rock claiming they were there before the Jews. It is a historical fact the Jews were there many centuries before the Muslims.

I am much more inclined to believe legend than "modern day historians".
Franck

United States

#5 Jul 3, 2008
Toltec wrote:
Time and time again the so called legends of the past have all too often been proven to be true. Besides what do the French know of the British?
This sounds like the Muslims at the dome of the Rock claiming they were there before the Jews. It is a historical fact the Jews were there many centuries before the Muslims.
I am much more inclined to believe legend than "modern day historians".
Um.. the French know a lot about the British. We did have a little war with them at one point in history.

Where is the proof of this so called King Arthur?
He's a legend. He didn't exist.

"King Arthur and the Myth of History considers why, in the 12th century, tales of a 6th-century British king who achieved immortality in an apparently hopeless struggle to repel Saxon invaders, suddenly emerged full blown, virtually from nowhere. Further, why did this figure from the margins of the Norman empire suddenly become an important subject of historical writing at the center of that empire, and why has he since continued to be an enduring cultural icon? Laurie Finke and Martin Shichtman contend that Arthur has been employed by historians as a potent but empty symbol to legitimize institutional political ambitions during times of social stress.

The study focuses on three periods of cultural crisis: the Norman colonization of England in the 11th and 12th centuries, the Warsof the Roses in the 15th century, and the rise and resurgence of fascism in 20th-century Europe. It examines four English chronicles of the Norman period--those of William of Malmesbury, Geoffrey of Monmouth, Wace, and Layamon. Other chapters investigate John Hardyng's Chronicle and Malory's Morte D'Arthur, both produced during the tumult of the Wars of the Roses. Finally, it considers more contemporary texts that offer the history of Adolf Hitler's acquisition of the Holy Grail: Jean-Michel Angebert's The Occult and the Third Reich: The Mystical Origins of Nazism and the Search for the Holy Grail and Trevor Ravenscroft's Spear of Destiny.

Finke and Shichtman argue that these texts reveal tensions between the claims that history makes about objectivity or referentiality and particular social, political, and ideological agendas. They demonstrate that at historical moments of great stress, the turn to antiquarianism, in an effort to bypass traumas of the recent past in favor of archaic origins, offers a unique opportunity for the literary and cultural theorists to investigate the aims and uses of history itself."

http://www.upf.com/book.asp...

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#6 Jul 3, 2008
I believe even the Brits think King Arthur is a legend.

“...a river of conscience ...”

Since: Oct 07

Scotland

#7 Jul 3, 2008
Robespierre wrote:
I believe even the Brits think King Arthur is a legend.
Don't think so Robbie Boy. Arthur is a well known fact who lives on in legend. He may well have been a Celtic warlord and chieftain, but he could never be considered a frog. For a start he could always be counted on making a his own decision, hardly a frog trait. However the fact that he couldn't keep a hold of his own woman suggest that perhaps he may well have some frog in him. Who knows?

“...a river of conscience ...”

Since: Oct 07

Scotland

#8 Jul 3, 2008
Toltec wrote:
.... It is a historical fact the Jews were there many centuries before the Muslims....
Sorry to disappoint you, but Arthur was definitely not circumcised!

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#9 Jul 3, 2008
HealingTime wrote:
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Don't think so Robbie Boy. Arthur is a well known fact who lives on in legend. He may well have been a Celtic warlord and chieftain, but he could never be considered a frog. For a start he could always be counted on making a his own decision, hardly a frog trait. However the fact that he couldn't keep a hold of his own woman suggest that perhaps he may well have some frog in him. Who knows?
I don't know how the 'frog' bit comes in your discourse, but anyway, King Arthur is a legend, probably based on a Celtic warlord of the time.
Krypteia

Shoreham-by-sea, UK

#10 Jul 3, 2008
HealingTime wrote:
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Sorry to disappoint you, but Arthur was definitely not circumcised!
lol..If he was born a few hundred tears later he would be a roundhead.
Your right king Arthur is based on a man and yes maybe a celt warlord from the dark ages.
Isn't France apart of Germany?

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#11 Jul 3, 2008
Krypteia wrote:
<quoted text>Isn't France apart of Germany?
Duno, but your queen is German, isn't she?
Krypteia

Shoreham-by-sea, UK

#12 Jul 3, 2008
Robespierre wrote:
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Duno, but your queen is German, isn't she?
Yes and Scottish.I am a royalist but i hate as an Engliashman having the national anthem at rugby and the Scots have something else, and its more their queen than ours.[Her mother was Scottish her father kraut desent]

“...a river of conscience ...”

Since: Oct 07

Scotland

#13 Jul 3, 2008
Krypteia wrote:
<quoted text>lol..If he was born a few hundred tears later he would be a roundhead.
Your right king Arthur is based on a man and yes maybe a celt warlord from the dark ages.
Isn't France apart of Germany?
Would have been part of Britain had Arthur hung around a bit longer. At least we'd have better food and that jerk Sarko would be under control. The guillotine would have sorted out the Queen, but that would be a shame. I'm quite fond of the harmless old dear in her own way!
Krypteia

Shoreham-by-sea, UK

#14 Jul 3, 2008
HealingTime wrote:
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Would have been part of Britain had Arthur hung around a bit longer. At least we'd have better food and that jerk Sarko would be under control. The guillotine would have sorted out the Queen, but that would be a shame. I'm quite fond of the harmless old dear in her own way!
lol..I must admit i like her.
Do you know the myth of Drakes drum?
I think we need to call on Arthur now to save us.lol
shorty

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#15 Jul 3, 2008
We already know this.
Grumpy Guy

United States

#16 Jul 3, 2008
I think France is a figment of the imagination . So let us all close our eyes and count to 10 and see if its still there.

“...a river of conscience ...”

Since: Oct 07

Scotland

#17 Jul 3, 2008
Krypteia wrote:
<quoted text>lol..I must admit i like her.
Do you know the myth of Drakes drum?
I think we need to call on Arthur now to save us.lol
Every country needs an Arthur, and if that drum still works, let's give it a bang. Those old Arthurian legends are awesome and inspirational, and each one is worth more than a shed full of the myths which most newspapers and governments propogate!

Arthur is rock solid real, always was and always will be.
Krypteia

Shoreham-by-sea, UK

#18 Jul 3, 2008
HealingTime wrote:
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Every country needs an Arthur, and if that drum still works, let's give it a bang. Those old Arthurian legends are awesome and inspirational, and each one is worth more than a shed full of the myths which most newspapers and governments propogate!
Arthur is rock solid real, always was and always will be.
Absolutely.

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