Vettel versus Alonso for the title

Vettel versus Alonso for the title

There are 29 comments on the Iol.co.za story from Oct 18, 2012, titled Vettel versus Alonso for the title. In it, Iol.co.za reports that:

Sebastian Vettel, left, and Fernando Alonso on the podium at the Yeongam circuit after finishing respectively first and third in last Sundays Korean Grand Prix.

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Redenius

UK

#1 Oct 24, 2012
I‘m hoping Alonso collects his third driver‘s title this season.
Sam

Doha, Qatar

#2 Nov 2, 2012
Redenius wrote:
I‘m hoping Alonso collects his third driver‘s title this season.
At the moment I am watching AbuDhabi practice 2...and from the look of it, I don't see the surging (ferrari promised to build) Ferrari has a chance to win in normal circumstances...Ferrari is .8 slower than the Redbull.
Sorry Alonso your Ferrari sucks again...it's a rotten donkey at the moment
Stamp

UK

#3 Nov 2, 2012
Sam wrote:
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At the moment I am watching AbuDhabi practice 2...and from the look of it, I don't see the surging (ferrari promised to build) Ferrari has a chance to win in normal circumstances...Ferrari is .8 slower than the Redbull.
Sorry Alonso your Ferrari sucks again...it's a rotten donkey at the moment
Going to have to see what happens in the race since practice never gives the whole picture.
Sam

Doha, Qatar

#4 Nov 3, 2012
Stamp wrote:
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Going to have to see what happens in the race since practice never gives the whole picture.
I agree with you since the difference between the fastest and the 2nd/3rd fastest is not significant due to track characteristics, we might see a close race...but being at the front at the start is the best way to stay out of trouble.
Enjoy the race.
F1 Funatic

Reynoldsburg, OH

#5 Nov 3, 2012
Vettel starts from pit lane - P24.

6.2.2 catches another.

Last time Maldonado won.

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#6 Nov 3, 2012
F1 Funatic wrote:
Vettel starts from pit lane - P24.
6.2.2 catches another.
Last time Maldonado won.
F1 Funatic, Vettel starts from the back of the grid, unless they find something wrong with the fuel tank and they need to change something on the car and change the spec of the car, then it's the pit lane. I hope Fernando does well in the race and it will get very interesting in the last two races.
Redenius

London, UK

#7 Nov 4, 2012
This is a great chance for Alonso to at least close thar points gap and I would‘nt count out a pidium finish for him. That said, if the RedBull remains strong I‘d not be surprised to find Vettel score some points.
F1 Funatic

Reynoldsburg, OH

#8 Nov 4, 2012
Gazzuk wrote:
<quoted text> F1 Funatic, Vettel starts from the back of the grid, unless they find something wrong with the fuel tank and they need to change something on the car and change the spec of the car, then it's the pit lane. I hope Fernando does well in the race and it will get very interesting in the last two races.
Vettel will start from pit lane.

Since: Nov 12

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#9 Nov 30, 2012
Alonso was given a golden opportunity and still he choked ... not for the first time in his career ... totally over rated to be honest.
Redenius

UK

#10 Dec 1, 2012
Alonso was close but not quite there. Vettel managed not to crack this time and was gracious enough to thank Mr. Schumacher for his efforts. Alonso‘s been the main man this year for me frankly.

“Just love F1”

Since: Oct 07

Benavidez, Tigre

#11 Dec 1, 2012
buffalo horns wrote:
Alonso was given a golden opportunity and still he choked ... not for the first time in his career ... totally over rated to be honest.
Given a golden opportunity?, by who?...by Grosjean or Kimi on in Belgium or Japan???...over rated ??... ha ha ... that can only be in the mind of the haters ... or Schumi lovers !!!... I told you, the Second Comming and The Return of the King would show his true colours !!!... Michael Schumacher is the one who was over rated !!...7 years with the best car and with no competition was a farse and some of the most boring years of F1 !!!.... When he had competition he lost ... to Hakkinen, to Alonso ... to Rosberg !!!... THE KING HAS NO CLOTHES !!!!

But hey ... let him have his 7 titles please ... I wish nobody ever beat that record !!!

“Just love F1”

Since: Oct 07

Benavidez, Tigre

#12 Dec 1, 2012
Montoya4ever wrote:
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Given a golden opportunity?, by who?...by Grosjean or Kimi on in Belgium or Japan???...over rated ??... ha ha ... that can only be in the mind of the haters ... or Schumi lovers !!!... I told you, the Second Comming and The Return of the King would show his true colours !!!... Michael Schumacher is the one who was over rated !!...7 years with the best car and with no competition was a farse and some of the most boring years of F1 !!!.... When he had competition he lost ... to Hakkinen, to Alonso ... to Rosberg !!!... THE KING HAS NO CLOTHES !!!!
But hey ... let him have his 7 titles please ... I wish nobody ever beat that record !!!
... and also to VILLENEUVE !!!!.... booohh ... booohhh ... here comes Jacques Villeneuve !!!!
Kimister

Finland

#13 Dec 1, 2012
Listen what Helmut has to say on Eyebrow (which has big god complex my mind n many others):http://www.yallaf1.com /2012/11/24/marko-if-alonso-sa ys-hes-fighting-with-blunt-wea pons-then-he-is-whining/
Kimister

Finland

#14 Dec 1, 2012
Also Helmut is saying that if Eyebrow was only fighting against Adrian Newey not Vettel why Webber was almost always slower( or unfortunate ) than Vettel with same car..or how Floplonso was faster than Webber....hmmmm?? Big questions?? Showing that Floplonso is just trying too hard everything to be this "Legendary driver" that no one has yeat ever seen and making as all see how heroin he is this underdog situation n he's like David n Goljat. OMG give me a break....
Kimister

Finland

#15 Dec 1, 2012
This tells me only one thing of him IS UNSURE of HIMSELF...low self-esteem...needs repeat to himself how good he is...taps on his shoulders....well I think u all Kapish what I mean.

“Just love F1”

Since: Oct 07

Benavidez, Tigre

#16 Dec 1, 2012
Be happy Kimister ... and don't forget to send a Christmas card to Helmut asking to hire KImi !!!

By the way ... in that same article Lewis Hamilton said:

McLaren’s Lewis Hamilton, however, said German Vettel has been “lucky” to have a top car in the last few seasons, delivering him two so far and quite possibly three consecutive drivers’ titles

So?, it is almost as saying he didn't have the best car (as Alonso said in that article). What is Helmut Marko saying about Lewis ????

Come on ... pls

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#17 Dec 1, 2012
buffalo horns wrote:
Alonso was given a golden opportunity and still he choked ... not for the first time in his career ... totally over rated to be honest.
Totally overrated! The samurai-comparisons are also embarrassing. Hopefully he stops coming with them.

Since: May 12

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#18 Dec 1, 2012
I found this one on the internet, translated by Levi:

Original, dated 8th November 2012: http://www.grandepremio.com.br/f1/noticias/co...

A championship that’s going to have a loser between Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel rises the doubt that looked eternal when comparing Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher – thankfully so. Now that the German engaged 7th gear on his way to his third title, the rivals claim that the pavement to the German’s glory is made by Adrian Newey’s ingenious machine as well as luck. Being that Vettel is equally a genius and doesn’t owe anything to Alonso in terms of talent.

F1 allows that we ask the question of who’s better between the two, and a public poll without error margin would hand Alonso the win. But the people’s answer is based on an imagination exercise: that Vettel wouldn’t do anything with this Ferrari car or that Alonso would already be champion with Red Bull at Hungary, for example. Less. Vettel is far from being a rider of perfect cars. The flaw in this evaluation is in not thinking about other reasoning paths that lead into believing that Vettel works better than Alonso to build a perfect car. Therefore, why not question Alonso’s efficiency as a setup specialist or not research why the cars the Spaniard drives don’t develop like the others? Why must a driver be evaluated only by merely what he does on the track during qualification and races?

Alonso won his last title in 2006 with a Renault a priori worse than Michael Schumacher’s Ferrari. There, the biggest name in F1 was about to rise, the one who slapped the best ever twice. But when he moved to McLaren and lost all the infinite privileges conquered by the not so respectable and ethical Flavio Briatore, Alonso couldn’t find himself. By entering into a conflict with Hamilton, he made McLaren lose an easy title to Raikkonen. Back to Renault in 2008, he won a race in the midst of Singapore’s scheme, another by talent in Japan and spent 2009 winless. After, he jumped to Ferrari. Three more years of drought. He couldn’t beat Red Bull in 2010 because there was a Petrov in the way at Abu Dhabi – and who loses a title stopped cold by a Petrov, doesn’t deserve to win anyway. And, last year, he couldn’t stand a chance against a Vettel motivated by the unexpected title from the year before.

2012 started with Ferrari slower than even Sauber, Mercedes, Lotus and Force India. There, McLaren had by far the best equipment and Red Bull was 0.5s worse on average. Meaning that the Bulls had a slightly complicated job to do for a team used to being ahead of the pack and Ferrari, a more than steep mountain to climb. With luck and competence, Alonso took advantage of the inconsistency and mechanical failures from his rivals to rise to the top of the tables with a car that improved a lot compared to the beginning, even more so because it had a much bigger window for development. Quietly, Red Bull caught up with McLaren, which showed some recovery and started to dominate for some races. But Hamilton again didn’t take advantage of it and Button, slow during some seven races, was too far to dream high.

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#19 Dec 1, 2012
Then the F1 vacation arrived, and Red Bull did its work. Knowing their efficiency was in the aerodynamics and the corners, Belgium and Italy served to extract the maximum possible amount of points until the Asian races arrived, with tracks different from each other, but all demanding the car’s precision. Done. The work developed by Vettel and delivered to Newey had its effect. Notice that Webber also took advantage of it, scoring seconds and thirds, but it’s evident that Webber isn’t expected to have the last word in the garage on where to move a flap or a wing’s height or how to efficiently utilize the tires. In a championship that started with seven different winners, Vettel made it boring with four consecutive wins and a formidable recovery at Abu Dhabi, finishing close behind Alonso staring from the pits.

In other words, Vettel built and rose Red Bull to the top in four years. Alonso never did this with Ferrari in three.

Technical master Ricardo Divila pointed at some stories and factors about the relationship driver/engineer that support the thesis that Alonso lacks the fine tune.“As much as you look at data and telemetry, the interpretation of what the driver feels is paramount, especially when the driver can identify what he wants to go faster”, he said.“There’s what’s called the perfect car, by the laws of physics, but every driver drives his own way – not necessarily the fastest theoretically possible, but the fastest in reality.”

Each driver, then, sets up the car in the manner they find best. It’s obvious Red Bull and Ferrari develop their cars according to the style of their first drivers, as what happened with Schumacher – who preferred an aggressive front – or Alain Prost – whose choice was a car with a more stable rear. Divila, by the way, remembered the contrast between the Frenchman and Keke Rosberg.“Keke was a juggler, with an incredible sense of balance, and very fast. But when he was at McLaren partnering Prost he was always slower, because John Barnard based the car’s setup on Prost and forced Keke to run with the same setup”, he told.“Discussing the subject with Keke at the time, he complained about a car that had a soft front, difficult and slow into the corners. He hated to drive against his instincts and reflexes. Only in the end of his last year they changed his track engineer, setting the car up towards his driving style, when he started to equal or beat Prost.”

The skill in developing a car to your own driving style is also exemplified to the extreme when Ferrari moved ahead with Schumacher, Divila emphasized.“Car, aerodynamics and tires were strictly developed to such point that he was able to dominate for a large period of time. After his retirement, the car became difficult to drive for the following drivers”, he pointed out, then saying adjustment is missing between Michael, Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne, the “true engineer at Ferrari”.

Then speaking of the current question, Divila underlined that Alonso is one of the best ever “in the criteria of aggression, skill and fighting spirit”, but he lacks “a little technical capacity”. Something the German competitor has in abundance.“By Newey’s comments, Vettel has that, he’s as fast as Alonso, but has a little difficulty in traffic, for he is less aggressive. But in comparison, Red Bull’s skill-technique match is superior to Ferrari’s”, he evaluated.

Divila, who worked with Newey, didn’t forget to compliment his work.“I must say he’s much better than me in aerodynamics”, he confessed and finished.

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#20 Dec 1, 2012
In conclusion, it’s no use for Alonso to credit to only Newey his new defeats. Vettel, it’s good to refresh the selective memory, won a race start-to-finish in a Toro Rosso when it was as slow as the then current Red Bull. His development is noticeable. And, dealing with the real facts, they should kneel themselves to the one who, with a triple championship in hand, becomes bigger than Alonso in numbers and statistics five years younger. And who already is one of the best drivers of all time.

Victor Martins

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