Renault: No Hurry To Name 2011 Line-Up

Sep 16, 2010 Full story: Planet-F1.com 48

Renault team owner Gerard Lopez has revealed the marque again has the luxury of being able to pick and choose its second driver.

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Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei Darussalam

#1 Sep 16, 2010
raikkonen is better than ALONSO
GFG

Australia

#2 Sep 16, 2010
The only thing that raikkonen is better at than Alonso is getting drunk,cheating on his wife,keeping quiet and making a fool of himself in the WRC!
F1 Funatic

Reynoldsburg, OH

#3 Sep 17, 2010
Please, not Raikkonen! Please, please, please, please! Not Raikkonen!

“Is that Banjo Music I hear ...”

Since: Jul 07

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#4 Sep 17, 2010
GFG wrote:
The only thing that raikkonen is better at than Alonso is getting drunk,cheating on his wife,keeping quiet and making a fool of himself in the WRC!
you looking in the mirror again Platypus breath .....
turrini kulta dribble

Wrexham, UK

#5 Sep 17, 2010
GFG wrote:
The only thing that raikkonen is better at than Alonso is getting drunk,cheating on his wife,keeping quiet and making a fool of himself in the WRC!
sum persons have trouble accepting this he also is better at off roading and crashing nevermind a solid frame of mind he must be bored with the real pinicle of motorsport as one says after 1 year he hasnt impreesed the teams in rallying a no proper team not junoir team have offered him a seat raikonen in f1 will not happen its not even worth 3 dead flys its a bad joke i mean look at mr schumacher and he was the best 7 titles compared to a flawed one a lamb to the slaughter hes into cocaine now aswell
Bo Smith

Burnaby, Canada

#6 Sep 17, 2010
GFG wrote:
The only thing that raikkonen is better at than Alonso is getting drunk,cheating on his wife,keeping quiet and making a fool of himself in the WRC!
No big deal GFG, this is well known, although I disagree with you about the WRC part. Besides, Kimi's biggest fan here accepts it. I'm more concerned about his F1 motivation if he does return in 2011.
turrini kulta dribble

Mold, UK

#7 Sep 17, 2010
the only reason why he wants to return is so he doesnt spill all his cocaine in the rally car floor with all the bumps being in f1 and on smoother tracks is far less waistfull he can snort more

“F1”

Since: Jul 08

Miami, FL

#8 Sep 17, 2010
^ what?!?! dude what are you on? thats the biggest crap ive seen since Schumacher jumped into a brawn!! haha

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#9 Sep 17, 2010
Alonso4Mil wrote:
^ what?!?! dude what are you on? thats the biggest crap ive seen since Schumacher jumped into a brawn!! haha
I don't think he is on anything, it's just dribble-drabble as himself. And I thoroughly enjoy reading his comments especially since he boasts around here how much knowledge he has and yet he gets a tantrum everytime I post something that actual F1-reporters have written - LOL

Just for dribble-drabble so he can get a new tantrum and throw his toys - Signor Leo Turrini:

Massa's big misunderstanding
Published by Leo Turrini Fri, 17/09/2010 - 11:06

After the pitfalls of Red Bull and McLaren we seem to take for granted one thing: Alonso's chances depend very much on Massa. That is if he can or will get the help from his Brazilian team-mate.

I believe that Felipe's position is tremendously sensitive. He played in five Grand Prix and now he knows his place. Furthermore, there is a misunderstanding behind it. I will try to explain.

1) I was used to Massa Raikkonen. Kimi is not a guy who raises his voice, not the kind of a guy who demands respect in hierarchies and so on.

2) The pair Massa-Raikkonen worked great for two years. The personal title was won by the Blond in 2007 and was again lost by the Brazilian in 2008 but still winning both titles for manufacturers. These are the numbers, you may not like them but you can't argue with numbers.

3) In 2009 we stopped the development of F60 after the Brazilian had a terrible incident in Budapest.

4) Massa did not understand how much his position in the Scuderia would suffer and be downgraded with the arrival of Fernando. When I say and write that Alonso bought Scuderia via Santander I write and say something obvious and not offensive at all (to the touchy bloggers). Excuse me: I'm Spanish, I have two global mega-big sponsors who assure me that I am invited to Maranello because they want someone who is more like Schumacher in his working methods etc and who spends more time in the factory and garage. Who do you choose, the Spanish or the Brazilian? In other words don't pretend to be stupid.

5) Well, Felipe tried to rebel right from the beginning. Remember a year ago when he requested for an explanation from Alonso concerning the Singapore Gate Crash? Massa was sincere but he was forced to change his opinion. Of course he never got any explanation from Alonso.

6) Let's be honest. I think Fernando has always been better than Massa. Even before the incident in Budapest. It's my opinion and open for discussion. Despite my sympathies and antipathies.

7) In Hockenheim the management closed the circle. If Ferrari wouldn't have sacrificed Massa in Germany then hell would break loose in Maranello (see point 4). Once again facts aren't discussed. Could Domenicali and the other members have acted differently? Certainly, in theory. But they didn't do it in practice. Question is why?

8) Felipe's manager is Todt's son and Ferrari's history reached a certain end when Todt left. Today the junior Todt is there to make sure of Felipe's interests in Ferrari. I repeat, his interests. Can you confirm that you have received this message?

9) So, now it's Massa's decision. Does he want to leave? Like Mansell did in 1990 when teamed up with Prost. It takes balls to escape a barrichello-like end. Will he accept being part of Ferrari for at least another two years, satisfied with a lot of money and partial satisfaction? And serve the Spaniard. Tertium non datur, sorry. Take it or leave it.

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#10 Sep 17, 2010
redneck Bob from Atlanta wrote:
<quoted text>
you looking in the mirror again Platypus breath .....
Have you noticed Bob how GFG loves to use the word cheating when talking about any other drivers than Alonso?

I think there's a huge group out there who still believe that Alonso was only a poor innocent victim of a witch hunt.

But Bob, I sympathise with you. The things I read about Massa on forums follow the exactly same pattern as when it was about Kimi.

I hope Massa leaves Ferrari and goes to a team where he can really fight for the championship. It breaks my heart everytime I see footage about him and I hope he keeps his dignity in a higher esteem than driving for a team that makes him look bad.

“F1”

Since: Jul 08

Miami, FL

#11 Sep 17, 2010
Nicole i think it was inevitable,even though bob said otherwise the past is always an example when it comes to ferrari. They are known to pick one good driver and a supporting driver. Massa was obviously outraged with the arrival of Alonso. I'm sure they probly dont speak much to each other off camera. Alot of the positive quotes on ferraris website seem fabricated even alonsos. so who knows whats really going on with Massa and Ferrari. Some people blame Alonso for the way hes getting treated with ferrari. But to be honest, if you were in that position would you sympathize with your teamate? Life is unfair sometimes i think we all know that. I just hope Alonso takes advantage of the 3rd chance he's gotten to really make something out of the opportunity. He had a rough start this year but hes shaping up before our eyes.

I feel for massa because you can tell he really wants to win a title with Ferrari. Alonsos arrival killed any chance of that.

Since: Aug 08

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#12 Sep 17, 2010
Alonso4Mil wrote:
Nicole i think it was inevitable,even though bob said otherwise the past is always an example when it comes to ferrari. They are known to pick one good driver and a supporting driver. Massa was obviously outraged with the arrival of Alonso. I'm sure they probly dont speak much to each other off camera. Alot of the positive quotes on ferraris website seem fabricated even alonsos. so who knows whats really going on with Massa and Ferrari. Some people blame Alonso for the way hes getting treated with ferrari. But to be honest, if you were in that position would you sympathize with your teamate? Life is unfair sometimes i think we all know that. I just hope Alonso takes advantage of the 3rd chance he's gotten to really make something out of the opportunity. He had a rough start this year but hes shaping up before our eyes.
I feel for massa because you can tell he really wants to win a title with Ferrari. Alonsos arrival killed any chance of that.
Turrini talks all the time about Alonso buying Scuderia so I think he calls the shots there. What was disturbing was Emmerson Fittipaldi in Italy last week, he was one of the stewards there: Fittipaldi said that he would want to sit in a Ferrari with Santander's ad stickers...

Is Santander taking over Ferrari since they are very visible on the Ferrari-shirts I saw in Monza - Santander was the only thing you could read from the shirts in the audience?

But to be fair to Massa, he had no problem with Schumi in Ferrari so I think it's because Alonso cannot form a relationship based upon respect with his team mate.

So I know that Massa can build a relationship based upon respect with his team mate - there was nothing but peace between Kimi and him and I know for a fact that Kimi respected Massa highly and Massa also treated Kimi with respect.

It's the management, you remember when Massa was in the hospital? Kimi wanted to go there but Domenicali told him not to go there. What a drama they were able to build upon that one :(

I'm sorry, I don't want to be so negative about Alonso but so far it looks like Schumi built the team over the years around him and Alonso is a bit too impatient and looks like he has the team under his thumb. I might be wrong of course and will change my mind if other things come up that speak against it.

I'm just not Alonso-material - LOL

Since: Aug 08

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#13 Sep 17, 2010
Oh and about the Turrini-article:

Turrini mentioned Glock when saying that Massa lost the WDC, I just didn't know how to translate the whole sentence.

But it sums up what I also think about Massa: Kimi won the WDC by one point and Massa lost it by one point. In my eyes it makes no difference between them since Massa also had to suffer from many screw-ups from the team and other things. He could have easily won the WDC so in my eyes he won the WDC just like Hamilton also won the WDC.

That's why it really pains me to read how Massa is put down, it's so unfair :(

“F1”

Since: Jul 08

Miami, FL

#14 Sep 17, 2010
Nicole i think your over looking the past between Alonso and Massa. they have always had it out for each other. Alonso is very capable of having a teammate. Look at Fisi for example and Alonso i would imagine was under alot more pressure tyring to secure a WDC.
Bo Smith

Burnaby, Canada

#15 Sep 17, 2010
Icegirl wrote:
<quoted text>........
I hope Massa leaves Ferrari and goes to a team where he can really fight for the championship. It breaks my heart everytime I see footage about him and I hope he keeps his dignity in a higher esteem than driving for a team that makes him look bad.
if Massa does leave Ferrari it will to go to Ross Brawn's team to replace Schumi when he retires again.

I may be wrong but I don't believe Ross & Kimi are 'close' Friends.

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#16 Sep 17, 2010
Alonso4Mil wrote:
Nicole i think your over looking the past between Alonso and Massa. they have always had it out for each other. Alonso is very capable of having a teammate. Look at Fisi for example and Alonso i would imagine was under alot more pressure tyring to secure a WDC.
I don't know Smokey? Massa is a nice guy, there would have been problems with him and Kimi if he would be a troublemaker. Montoya ripped his pants over Kimi many times but it was always one-sided. Massa never did that.

As for Fisichella, there is the thing with Flavio too. In my opinion he breaks people and he sort of 'trained' Fisi for Alonso - it's my own opinion.

IMO Massa would have been willing to work things out with Alonso but the other party wasn't necessarily keen on that. Remember Kulta's interview? He mentioned that Alonso thinks that everyone is against him and if that's the case then there never was any chance to begin with?

TBH I think that Flavio has molded Alonso which isn't necessarily a good thing. My opinion ;)

“F1”

Since: Jul 08

Miami, FL

#17 Sep 17, 2010
Bo Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
if Massa does leave Ferrari it will to go to Ross Brawn's team to replace Schumi when he retires again.
I may be wrong but I don't believe Ross & Kimi are 'close' Friends.
whos knows, but he's certainly better than Sutil. But then again Sutil has made some impressive drives in a Force India. I think he could be a threat in a front running team. PF1 reports the drive will go to Sutil if he decides to leave.

Since: Aug 08

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#18 Sep 17, 2010
Bo Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
if Massa does leave Ferrari it will to go to Ross Brawn's team to replace Schumi when he retires again.
I may be wrong but I don't believe Ross & Kimi are 'close' Friends.
History would repeat itself again then - Schumi leaving and giving Massa his place. It was a beautiful act of Schumi to retire so that Massa could continue years ago and the combo Ross-Massa would definitely work better than Ross-Kimi.
Bo Smith

Burnaby, Canada

#19 Sep 17, 2010
Alonso4Mil wrote:
<quoted text>
whos knows, but he's certainly better than Sutil. But then again Sutil has made some impressive drives in a Force India. I think he could be a threat in a front running team. PF1 reports the drive will go to Sutil if he decides to leave.
Very Possible. Sutil is a good driver. It would be interesting to see what he could do in a front running car. He's paid his dues driving the 'back markers'. So not a rookie.
agus

Madrid, Spain

#20 Sep 17, 2010
kimi es el mejor y mas rapido y muchos tiene miedo de q regrese

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