Massa "can be faster than Alonso" thinks Vettel

Oct 10, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Formula 1 Blog

Sebastian Vettel has stated he does not "understand" why Felipe Massa has struggled so much alongside Fernando Alonso at Ferrari.

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It seems you didn't see the whole seasson and saw how Massa and Alonso performed and why Massa ended up helping THE TEAM in two or three races (out of 20)... neither you came here before to "discuss" ... you just come here when the dice are rolled and the results posted and as Alonso didn't win you are happy to write all this rubbish ... LAME !!

Merry Christmas people !!...see you next year ...!

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hey Monty your heartbreak just contunies .... Massa is still at ferrari, 2008 you said he would be gone, and Alonso still has not won another WDC ... life is great.

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hey Monty your heartbreak just contunies .... Massa is still at ferrari, 2008 you said he would be gone, and Alonso still has not won another WDC ... life is great.
Massa is still in Ferrari thanks to Alonso who's making almost all Ferrari points for the Constructor WC and after the head injury they gave him a long recovery time

I don't want Alonso to beat the big Traitor records ... so .. just one more title and the opportunity of enjoying his talent would be enough for me !!

Remember, it took 5 years in Ferrari for the Big Traitor to win the first WC for the Scuderia, Alonso's got just 3, so .. 2014 should be his year !!!

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Next year... it's always the next year.
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Dec 3, 2012
 
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Next year... it's always the next year.
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Massa is still in Ferrari thanks to Alonso who's making almost all Ferrari points for the Constructor WC and after the head injury they gave him a long recovery time
I don't want Alonso to beat the big Traitor records ... so .. just one more title and the opportunity of enjoying his talent would be enough for me !!
Remember, it took 5 years in Ferrari for the Big Traitor to win the first WC for the Scuderia, Alonso's got just 3, so .. 2014 should be his year !!!
Massa is at Ferrari thanks to Massa. Alonso had nothing to do with it. Massa showed he still has what it takes to be a driver for Scuderia Ferrari.

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Next year... it's always the next year.
I said 2014 .. so it is next year OR the next !.. and if not then it will be the following ... and?.. what is the problem with it?... I don't have a problem .. it seems you do, sorry about it !!

NEXT YEAR .. ALONSO WILL WIN THE WC NEXT YEAR ... YES YES YES YES !!!

GO ALONSO GO !!!!

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Massa is at Ferrari thanks to Massa. Alonso had nothing to do with it. Massa showed he still has what it takes to be a driver for Scuderia Ferrari.
What ??.. It shows you didn't follow Massa during these past 3 years !!!... I DID .. I saw how he didn't get to Q3 when Alonso did, I saw when he couldn't challenge the Macas and the Bulls and steal points from them when Alonso did...yes !!!... during these past 3 years !!!... I saw Massa underperforming all the time and even saw his engineers getting mad at him !! I remember myself yielling at the tube during a whole weekend asking Massa to put himself in the fight and help the team and Alonso !!!!.. but yes ... you just remember the last races and a couple of situations when Massa had to give his place to Alonso ... but that is because he EARNED that place ... THANKS TO ALONSO !!!!...and thanks to that he's allowed to ride a Ferrari for one more year ... ONE !!!

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here's the real deal, massa didn't do much at Ferrari, he didn't allow his teammate to pass him on numerous occasions to gain more points in his attempt to with the WDC, massa didn't allow ferrari to break his gearbox seal ... no no he didn't anything, but here's the newsfalsh, enither did Alonso, he didn't win a damned thing, well a few races when the RBR was not doing that great, so bottom line Ferrari has a problem they have a driver who performs at his best every week, is a stand up team player, a bloke they walk over all the time to help their other driver ... and then they have the other driver, supposedly the best driver out there, he has yet to win a WDC for Scuderia, wants everything given to him on plate, bitches like a pig when it goes wrong, always blames the car and the team when he doesn't win ... i think the decision is clear, just 1 more year El baboono, you don't bring us the WDC you go, you useless spanish clown, we had a drunk in a gorilla suit win the WDC after just a year with Ferrari, what the f**k is wrong with you Alonso, you keep telling the world you're the greatest, but a relative young newcomer has smacked you around 3 yrs in a row, ONE more year Alonso or you can piss of and join your mate Montoya racing nascar.

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What ??.. It shows you didn't follow Massa during these past 3 years !!!... I DID .. I saw how he didn't get to Q3 when Alonso did, I saw when he couldn't challenge the Macas and the Bulls and steal points from them when Alonso did...yes !!!... during these past 3 years !!!... I saw Massa underperforming all the time and even saw his engineers getting mad at him !! I remember myself yielling at the tube during a whole weekend asking Massa to put himself in the fight and help the team and Alonso !!!!.. but yes ... you just remember the last races and a couple of situations when Massa had to give his place to Alonso ... but that is because he EARNED that place ... THANKS TO ALONSO !!!!...and thanks to that he's allowed to ride a Ferrari for one more year ... ONE !!!
There is absolutely no point in having a reasonable adult conversation about F1 with you. You are so singularly focused with your Alonso blinders. Peace
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Massa accumulated total points scored years 2011+2012= 240
Alonso total points scored year 2012= 278

Enough is said and literally no point to argue...unless Vettel was "thinking" that if Massa was driving the RedBull, he could be faster than Alonso.

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There is absolutely no point in having a reasonable adult conversation about F1 with you. You are so singularly focused with your Alonso blinders. Peace
Good ... now go and have an adult conversation with your kids because so far here you haven't do it !!!... ha ha ...in your futile efforts to diminish Alonso you didn't expect you would be confronting people who really see his talent !!!

So now you don't just talk rubbish against Alonso but also against us ... ha ha .. good !!.. see the difference???... I don't talk rubbish against other drivers or his fans (well ... maybe just the Big Traitor and a fan from South Africa who used to live in Atlanta). So please .. stop talking BS against Alonso and praise your driver ... support him ... tell us something we might not know about him !!... SEE THE DIFFERENCE ????

Finally, I'm really focused singularly on Alonso ... yes ... and that's why I am in this forum and not in Vettel's or Kimi's one !!!.. or in the We hate Alonso one ...
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Sam wrote:
Massa accumulated total points scored years 2011+2012= 240
Alonso total points scored year 2012= 278
Enough is said and literally no point to argue...unless Vettel was "thinking" that if Massa was driving the RedBull, he could be faster than Alonso.
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this was fact, we knew, now we a talking that ferrari not providing same resources! what is the matter with your brain?

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. Though Massa at times has given way for Alonso, he did the same with other teammates for the same team. I'm sure this is part of some nice paying contract. Massa takes more chances at criticl moments and sometimes fades. Alonso is a little more conservative but very consistant.
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this was fact, we knew, now we a talking that ferrari not providing same resources! what is the matter with your brain?
I can only say you are either a joker or another useless intimidator...if you are for real and ever again find your tiny brain...spend sometime quality time researching F1 facts/data from 2005 until 2012...make your comparison with out prejudges ...
Regardless how it was done, Alonso knew how to grab every win, and deserved every point in his CV...a tip...Its enough that he fought 5 times for the world Championship until the last dying minutes.
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If there is no pressure, Alonso is faster. Once the pressure builds, Alonso goes into choke mode.
Facts are, Alonso has proven he cant win the WDC in anything but the fastest car six straight years.

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If there is no pressure, Alonso is faster. Once the pressure builds, Alonso goes into choke mode.
Facts are, Alonso has proven he cant win the WDC in anything but the fastest car six straight years.
I'm sorry but I think just the opposite, Alonso is incredible with no pressure ...and superb when in need of points !!! You can not judge Alonso based on pressure when he lost the championship this year after being put out of racing.. scoreless ... twice... by the infamous Lotuses !! Tell us how much pressure has Vettel confronted in the last 3 years having the best car in town !!!
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'Crashgate 2008' & ‘broken seal 2012’- examples of Fernando Alonso bringing F1 in disrepute
F1 HONG KONG GP 2008 -'Crashgate' & US F1 GP ‘broken seal’
The ‘fixing’ of the Hong Kong F1 2008 race by Renault in order that Fernando Alonso, who started 15th on the Hong Kong grid, won the race after the safety car came out following Nelson Piquet Jn's crash is a further blatant example of Fernando Alonso (or was it Renault?) bringing F1 in disrepute. Alonso had already pitted and was left at the front once the safety car period ended.
To engineer this Alonso F1 Grand Prix win, by making Nelson Piquet Junior crash is a very worrying example of how far some drivers will go to win a race. N.B. This tactic also denied Felipe Massa the 2008 World Championship by one point and could have brought about the death or injury of a driver.
As Felipe Massa said… the robbery changed the outcome of a championship and I lost (the title)…
However, I have to ask myself, is this not a similar tactic to Ferrari breaking the gearbox seal of Massa's car in 2012, so that Alonso started further up the grid!?
Prior to the start of 2012’s US F1 GP, the breaking of Felipe Massa’s gearbox seal by Ferrari to gain Fernando Alonso one place on the grid and lower Massa by five places was surely another breach of fair play involving the Spanish driver. To put this into context, the McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh said he did not agree with Ferrari’s decision to break the seal on Massa’s gearbox, insisting he would never run his team in a similar fashion. But moreover his comment that ….when Fernando was with us (McLaren) it was not doing those things that meant that Fernando left us… reveals the whole sordid reality of Fernando Alonso and his fundamental problem with winning fairly, not infringing the rules and regulations, and perhaps more importantly, not bringing the sport into disrepute.
I for one wonder, how long it is going to be before Ferrari honour their responsibilities to Formula One and the racing public – rather than dishonour, these presumably with the inducement of Santander sponsorship?

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