Dolphins' roster lacks foundation of ...

Dolphins' roster lacks foundation of 58 missing draft picks

There are 242 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from Nov 22, 2007, titled Dolphins' roster lacks foundation of 58 missing draft picks. In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

Although there are many reasons the Dolphins have started the season 0-10, don't think you will find all the scapegoats walking the halls at the team headquarters in Davie.

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C Angelos

Longwood, FL

#1 Nov 22, 2007
The Dolphins are an example of how an athletic organization should not be run.
Tony

Erie, PA

#2 Nov 22, 2007
Outstanding article highlighting the reason why Cam and Randy are here. It's unfortunate that they are taking the brunt of this teams poor showing this year. Dolphins on the right track.
Woodstrock

Spartanburg, SC

#3 Nov 22, 2007
Outstanding analysis! You hit it out of the ballpark, Harvey!
dduck

Pompano Beach, FL

#4 Nov 22, 2007
this year the pick of Ginn was a good one; he will be a good player for a long time but this draft will be decided by how Beck turns out. If he is the next Breeze Great draft; if he is the next Rick Mira Bad draft; simple as that. I cannot think of any players coming out this year that wow me other than Mcfadden and he is another RB... Mel help us.
DAN MAC

Simpsonville, SC

#6 Nov 22, 2007
First Blame has to go to Wayne as he allowed himself to be bullied into hiring Dave W.. Every one outside that organization knew that hiring Dave with his huge failure at Chicago was most likely going to turn out the same with Miami. Dave ran Chicago's franchise into the ground taking that organization many years after he left to get back on their feet, and the Wayne allowed Dave to do it here, and now Dave W. has 2 of the most popular cities in the US that he isn't ever wanted in.
Now no one can blame Mr. H for the Saban hire I think everyone was on board for that choice, but we later learned he went back to the well again to ask Jimmy Johnson whom he recommended (he said hands down Saban), so I have to say it may be a good idea to allow your GM from here forward to choose the coach,

Since: Feb 07

Auburn, MI

#7 Nov 22, 2007
People ask me all the time how did Miami get so bad. I always say it's because the cupboard was bare when Cam arrived. He and Mueller need to re-stock it.

Mainly I blame poor personnel decisions by Wannstedt/Spielman.

JJ did okay with the draft. Unmentioned by the article is the fact he also drafted Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain who both gave us many good years.
cool hand luke

Anchorage, AK

#8 Nov 22, 2007
like i'vee said before, wannstadt's poor performance is to blame for the current situation. one more wannstadt bungle for the record...passing on Anquan Boldin to pick Eddie Moore...where is Eddie Moore now?

Who hired Wannstadt again???
Allan B

AOL

#9 Nov 22, 2007
Saban's 2006 draft is widely considered the worst of that year with barely any contributions.

“The Best Is Yet To Come...”

Since: Jan 07

South Florida

#10 Nov 22, 2007
RE: "Of the 58 players drafted or acquired using their draft picks between 1998-2003, not one is on the Dolphins' 53-man roster today."

"We needed a quarterback, but Dave passed him over for a defensive back," Braatz said. "To me a franchise quarterback is the number one commodity, then a running back and a defensive end."

"You pass [Brees] up, you live with it."

>>>>>>> >>>>>

As to the latter, there ya go. Missed opportunities. But you can't cry over spilt milk. Man up and move on...

As to the former, that speaks volumes...especially to a fan base that expects miracles from game one. For all you fair-weather Dolphins 'fans', you disgust me. Go, then. Leave. Don't let the door hit you, and all that. Get your stink away from my team.

And now:

RE: ""If Brees is with the Dolphins it's a different story," Kiper said. "The Saints GM should send a Christmas card every year to the Dolphins..."

The Saints GM was who, again? The same guy who dumped Ricky Williams on us for TWO number one draft picks, perhaps?

Isn't the same guy now picking players for the Dolphins today? Let's see...there's Ginn, Satele, Beck, Mauia, Chatman, Cobbs, Fields...

Any legitimate complaints so far, besides being a rookie player?

And we traded Wes for a franchise center, who you will see play in Hawaii before too long. I have no problem with that whatsoever, and I wish Wes well. His success couldn't have happened to a better guy.

Now, let's add Joey Porter. Good choice? Bad choice? Time will tell. The rest of the defense has to do their job first, before Joey will be an impact. He thrives best in a defense loaded with pass-ruch talent (which is why he came here to begin with; he wanted to line up with Jason). Yet, since he's been here, he's been nothing but ripped by the locals because the defense has played poorly. The bottom line with THAT, is the situation doesn't give any incentive at all to come here as a free agent for any OTHER impact free-agent players, so give the 'use free agency' avenue a rest, cause it won't happen. Hence, Miami;s next rebuilding will come from the draft. Maybe after THAT (and after Miami becomes a team to be reckoned with) can we attract good free agents, a la New England.(Here's a hint -- that's why these guys need three seasons to make the Dolphins a winning team; it takes that long).

Look for us to trade down for another first-round pick, plus a mid-round pick? Unless someone is on the board that we absolutely HAVE to have -- then, I suggest fans do a happy dance if we keep our pick. You thought Ted Ginn is fun? Wait. Especially if Miami doesn't trade down.

As for Monday night, if the defense plays a full four quarters of football -- and the offense can finish the happy ending -- the lowly Dolphins could actually beat the Steelers. If the lousy, stinkin' Jets can beat them, the Dolphins can beat anybody. We, at least, have a future now. All they have is the rear-view mirror.

Hope all had a great Thanksgiving!
Paul

Grantham, NH

#11 Nov 22, 2007
Just look what Wanny has done to Pittsburgh now.... he is an albatross.... No clue..... JJ also passed on Moss, based on character issues to take John Avery.... Then, however, he drafts cecil Collins, and picks up Lawrence Phillips.... Hmmmm... They had severe issues, and ended up in jail.... Moss is now the man for the Pats... Thanks, JJ....

Since: Jun 07

Rutledge, GA

#12 Nov 22, 2007
This is a completely useless article, and is based on total pessimism, and backwards thinking. Who cares what the past coaches did? can we change that now? NO! Do we know that PATS made better choices in the past, that refelct in the way the record shows? DUUUUUUUUHHHH. How aboput reportimng the NEWS. NEWS is called NEWS cause it is NEW, not OLD. Not something every dipshit and thier brother already know.
Hopw about accessing the CURRENT Draft picks and , iof the reoprts are going to be opinion pieces, as any in sports regarding the future will ulimatley end up being, let us know about FUTURE, which would be NEWS. It isnt bad enough our team is 0-10, but we have to keep relivinmg the same crap over and over again?
mike

Boca Raton, FL

#13 Nov 22, 2007
Bob Greasy wrote:
People ask me all the time how did Miami get so bad. I always say it's because the cupboard was bare when Cam arrived. He and Mueller need to re-stock it.
Mainly I blame poor personnel decisions by Wannstedt/Spielman.
JJ did okay with the draft. Unmentioned by the article is the fact he also drafted Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain who both gave us many good years.
i agree. wannsdedt ruined two teams(miami and chicago)and is turning the once proud pitt panther program into a joke. spielman belongs at burger king flipping burgers somewhere, not giving his sorry advice on which nfl players are good.
Caddy

United States

#14 Nov 22, 2007
How is this a "useless article." Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it. JJ had some good drafts. He took the Tom Olivadatti BBDB defense that wasn't very effective and built a Top 5 defense through the draft. Darryl Gardner, Zach Thomas, Jayson Taylor, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, and others formed the foundation for a great defense for several years. And remember, JJ lost Troy Vincent, Marco Coleman, and Brian Cox to free agency before he coached a single game. Miami was a perennial playoff team under JJ after his first two years of rebuilding. I just think JJ started to outsmart himself by trying to be too slick in his later drafts.

Under Wannstedt, the "only thing we needed was a good running game to match with the great defense. That trade for Ricky Williams looked like a bargain when he led the league in rushing with 1,859 yards in 2002. Still looked like a bargain when he ran for almost 1,400 in 2003. THose were far and away the two best seasons EVER by a Dolphins RB. It wasn't until 2004, when Ricky did his first disappearing act and the Phins started 1-9 that the first signs of real trouble began. That 6-game winning streak to go 9-7 in Saban's first season turned out to be "fool's gold"

Cameron and Mueller are doing the best they can with the poor hand they were dealt. Cameron is learning on the job how to be an NFL Head Coach. I think this year's draft is shaping up to be the DOlphin's best since the 90's. Give Mueller and Cameron another 1-2 years do draft more quality and build the foundation.

Remember, Dallas went 1-15 in JJ's rookie season. Through the draft, he built the foundation for a team that won 3 championships in 4 years.

Here are some players I've really noticed in the last few weeks that can help next season.

Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
Antoine Cason DB Arizona
McGaha WR Arizona State (A Wes Welker-type player)

Dallas Fin Fan

United States

#15 Nov 22, 2007
this article tells the truth..... stop blaming Cameron for the current record.... I remeber Dallas was 1-15 with a rookie named troy aikmen... yall be patient... 3 years from Now Miami will be a playoff contender!
Dallas Fin Fan

United States

#16 Nov 22, 2007
OOO and I watched Dallas completely DOMINATE the Jets today.... 34-3 I think Miami played Dallas a lot closer than that! The JETS S U C K ..

wheres that loudmouth Jetattach today????
Ray

Salt Lake City, UT

#17 Nov 22, 2007
Bob Greasy wrote:
People ask me all the time how did Miami get so bad. I always say it's because the cupboard was bare when Cam arrived. He and Mueller need to re-stock it.
Mainly I blame poor personnel decisions by Wannstedt/Spielman.
JJ did okay with the draft. Unmentioned by the article is the fact he also drafted Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain who both gave us many good years.
JJ did great drafting defensive players. But he sucked at drafting offense. Wanny sucked at drafting anything.
WOW

United States

#18 Nov 22, 2007
Hey Wanstedt, ANY COACH that weras a shirt like that should not only be considered a lifetime loser, but a cabana boy at the Copa too!
Finz Fan 4 life

Athens, IN

#19 Nov 22, 2007
So in other words we have passed on Brees twice and dave wannstedt will haunt us with his incompetence for years to come. Jimmy Johnson shafted us in more ways also...What a joke~
matt

Furman, SC

#20 Nov 22, 2007
well said caddy
Ray

Salt Lake City, UT

#21 Nov 22, 2007
Caddy wrote:
How is this a "useless article." Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it. JJ had some good drafts. He took the Tom Olivadatti BBDB defense that wasn't very effective and built a Top 5 defense through the draft. Darryl Gardner, Zach Thomas, Jayson Taylor, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, and others formed the foundation for a great defense for several years. And remember, JJ lost Troy Vincent, Marco Coleman, and Brian Cox to free agency before he coached a single game. Miami was a perennial playoff team under JJ after his first two years of rebuilding. I just think JJ started to outsmart himself by trying to be too slick in his later drafts.
Under Wannstedt, the "only thing we needed was a good running game to match with the great defense. That trade for Ricky Williams looked like a bargain when he led the league in rushing with 1,859 yards in 2002. Still looked like a bargain when he ran for almost 1,400 in 2003. THose were far and away the two best seasons EVER by a Dolphins RB. It wasn't until 2004, when Ricky did his first disappearing act and the Phins started 1-9 that the first signs of real trouble began. That 6-game winning streak to go 9-7 in Saban's first season turned out to be "fool's gold"
Cameron and Mueller are doing the best they can with the poor hand they were dealt. Cameron is learning on the job how to be an NFL Head Coach. I think this year's draft is shaping up to be the DOlphin's best since the 90's. Give Mueller and Cameron another 1-2 years do draft more quality and build the foundation.
Remember, Dallas went 1-15 in JJ's rookie season. Through the draft, he built the foundation for a team that won 3 championships in 4 years.
Here are some players I've really noticed in the last few weeks that can help next season.
Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
Antoine Cason DB Arizona
McGaha WR Arizona State (A Wes Welker-type player)
You make some great points and I couldn't agree with you more about Cam/Mueller. We have to give them time to build this team. Another player that I really like is Martin Rucker,(TE)out of Missouri. Cam's offense needs an Antonio Gates type TE to be effective and Martin hasn't panned out this season at all. You have to look at the big picture with what Cam/Mueller are trying to do. You have to have players/playmakers to win championships and right now we don't have them. The cool part about the draft is if we end up with the number one pick we will have 2 first round picks because New England lost the 32nd selection which now will be the Dolphins 1st pick in the second round which technically will be a first round pick. Of course that means that New England keeps on winning and ends up with the best record in the league. If the Phins could trade down and still get Dorsey that would be great. We have got to get some run stoppers on defense.

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