Herm, have you seen these Chiefs play?

Herm Edwards, you seem like a good guy. Your heart is in the right place and you know your football, no doubt about it. Full Story
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TRU_KC18

Gardner, KS

#22 Dec 16, 2007
Fire both carl and herm get a coach who likes to blow teams out with there offense and defense. and someone please tell herm you cant do anything with just WR RB TE AND QBs you need a offense of LINE get that and you got well a good AFC championship the NE vs KC Kansas City will the next team that you wouldnt want to play thats all i have to say and herm should go to UCLA but again he would always get beat by USC GO USC
DerekB76

Grand Junction, CO

#23 Dec 16, 2007
Carl must go this year...no question about it. If things don't turn around by end of '08 season, Herm must go. By then, Bill Cowher will be ready to make another run at it. Are you listening Clark Hunt?
Larry for LA

Arcadia, CA

#24 Dec 17, 2007
I'm a 3rd Generation KC fan and living in Raider nation isn't easy. I appreciate the comments and have bought Sunday ticket since it became available so I can watch the Chiefs plays. I for one haven't bought into the Herm scheme of things yet, but it's early in his tenure. I'm not happy with the offensive lines production OR the aging corners. However, Bowe is producing, the def line is shoring up and I'm giving Herm a little latitude based on what I see in free agent moves and the draft. That said, Brodie I like. Yeah he needs some experience but has anybody checked out the rest of the youth movement? Especially in the AFC West? This kid just needs experience and he will be fine. As for Carl, well, I think mediocrity has been going on long enough and I still haven't forgiven him for shipping Rich Gannon to Oakland and signing "happy feet" Grbac to a multi-year contract. Didn't we waste a 3rd or 4th round pick last year on a punter from his Alma Mater who is no longer here? OK, he's made some great moves over the years, but there are more blunders than miracles....One final thing...The defensive 4th quarter failures is the result of being on the field too long without a running game....Pick up some solid Linemen Carl
Logan

United States

#25 Dec 17, 2007
kcfanbaby, learn a bit more about football yourself. Mangini has come in on a bad football team, hence why the Jets are so bad now this year. But Herm, he twice has inherieted good football teams from good coaches b4 him (Parcells in NY, Vermiel in KC). Herm, if you look at his career record, has done well in both places in his FIRST year. Why? Because he hasn't had enough time to nuke the team.

Is Herm a good defensive coach? Sure, I'll give him that. Is he a good evaluater of talent? Only on the defensive side. Herm has no skill on the offensive side of the ball, at schemes, playcalling, or talent scouting. Yes, the saying is defense wins championships, but outside of the Ravens, name one other franchise that has won a championship with a woeful offense. You won't find any. You need a stout defense to shut down running games in the postseason, but you need a capable offensive attack, and not just a power running game. You must have it in both passing and running, just like you gotta have it in both offense and defense.

Sorry, but with Lamar Hunt gone, unfortunately, KC is going to be an AFC doormat for the next couple of years till the ownership matter is settled, a new GM regime has begun, and a solid head coach who knows how to coach BOTH sides of the ball is hired. Remember how bad the Bengals were during the 90s? Prepare to experience it, fellow arrowheads. It's a sad day to be a Chiefs fan.
Logan

United States

#26 Dec 17, 2007
Btw, one more bit, this is about a possible Chiefs-Jets trade involving Pennington and Coles for a 1st round and 4th round pick. WHAT????

Explain to me how a future career backup QB and aging WR, both with big contract numbers, unwanted on their own team (look at Pennington. He lost his starting job and shared time with a rookie last week vs. the Patriots. Yeah, he's totally the answer to KC's problems!)

The only reason this trade would go down would be to make Herm Edwards happy. Why should the franchise kowtow to a coach which has driven the team into the ground? He will probably be gone in another year, and then we're stuck with Pennington and Coles? Great job Carl! Way to put us back another year or two!

If you think this is a good trade, get a clue. Pennington was never a Top 10 QB of the NFL while in New York, no matter who you ask. His talent level falls far below many QBs currently in the league, some who have yet to even play in a game yet. Brady Quinn anyone? Why didn't we draft him? He was actually STILL AVAILABLE last year in the draft.

Look what Jets fans are saying about the possible trade. They couldn't possibly be more excited about getting a FIRST ROUND PICK in order to get rid of Pennington. If the other team is that excited to get rid of him, maybe we shouldn't be so excited to take him.

http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.ph...

Don't do this Carl, not if you value your life. I'm sure there will be bounties out for your head if you make this last final move to destroy the greatest AFL franchise.
UnhappyChief

Rogersville, MO

#27 Dec 17, 2007
Hire Marty as the G.M. and let the fun begin! That guy can build a team. The best teams 'King Carl' ever had were built by Marty.

We should be talking about getting rid of Carl Peterson first...
Jim from KC

United States

#28 Dec 17, 2007
I think that if you are old enough to remember the Chiefs had the same problem with Steadman when he was the GM as they have with Peterson now. The only constant has been the Hunt family. I can't believe these two GM's would have lasted as long as they have if they were not doing the Hunt's bidding. After all it is a business, and as long as the seats are all sold out why would you run your payroll up? The offence that Vermeil brought to KC was exciting and was fun to watch even if you got beat once in a while. If I had my druthers, I would give Al Saunders a chance to be the head coach. Having said that, I would give him the first draft choice for the offence and let my defensive coordinator have the next one, and then draft for position. Bill Cower would be a good coach too, but I doubt very much he will come back to a team like the Chiefs with so many problems when there are so many teams with more talent who would love to have him. I just don't like Herms ideas about game management. I don't want to play not to lose, I want to play to win.
Jeepster

San Diego, CA

#29 Dec 18, 2007
Keep Edwards one more year then try to grab Cowher. There is a real coach.

Since: Dec 07

Arcadia, CA

#30 Dec 18, 2007
Herm Edwards from 12/14 Q&A:
“We have a plan of what we want to do here. We’re going to build a championship football team. There are ways you do it and that’ll all be talked about at the end of the year. Then we’ll go from there. But right now the most important thing for us is to win a football game and it would be nice to win our last game at home. There’s no doubt about that.”

Sounds to me as if a game plan has been put in place to do a little damage control. Another season like this and nobody will be talking about Herm or Carl, they'll be shouting up to the Hunt family. I know they hired Herm to bring in change and build a "system" but I've never heard a coach openingly discuss what the vision or "game plan" is after a season ESPECIALLY before free-agency or the Draft. I mean, how many free agents out there are willing to come to KC unless there are some major paydays involved. Carl have you made that call to Brian Billick yet?

Logan

United States

#31 Dec 18, 2007
Brian Billick? Good lord! No!

For a supposed offensive mastermind, name one year when Baltimore has had a potent offense. Billick is no better at creating a competent football team than Herm is.

Since: Dec 07

Arcadia, CA

#32 Dec 19, 2007
Logan, i agree he hasn't done well in Baltimore. But look at the financials he inherited on Defense. He hasn't had the cap room to make any serious moves on Offense and he is well known within the NFL as a great offensive mind, he just inherited a defensive team. He believes in running the ball with a strong line and play action pass. He has to be better than what we have today....All I'm saying is take a look. Wouldn't be the first time, we took a chance on a fired head coach and brought them in as a coordinator....gun and art still didn't do too back for us
KFP

Overland Park, KS

#33 Dec 20, 2007
Maybe Chief fans should listen to Herm and quit cheering for LOSERS!!!! Chiefs and Chief fans SUCK!!!!!!!!!
Need a new coach

Canyon, TX

#34 Dec 20, 2007
We just need to win a game? We just need to fix it? I have plan. What a joke!!!!!
raye

United States

#35 Dec 21, 2007
Jim from KC wrote:
I think that if you are old enough to remember the Chiefs had the same problem with Steadman when he was the GM as they have with Peterson now. The only constant has been the Hunt family. I can't believe these two GM's would have lasted as long as they have if they were not doing the Hunt's bidding. After all it is a business, and as long as the seats are all sold out why would you run your payroll up? The offence that Vermeil brought to KC was exciting and was fun to watch even if you got beat once in a while. If I had my druthers, I would give Al Saunders a chance to be the head coach. Having said that, I would give him the first draft choice for the offence and let my defensive coordinator have the next one, and then draft for position. Bill Cower would be a good coach too, but I doubt very much he will come back to a team like the Chiefs with so many problems when there are so many teams with more talent who would love to have him. I just don't like Herms ideas about game management. I don't want to play not to lose, I want to play to win.
1] When your're right ... you're really right. I remember the Steadman days ...View Level/1st row/East End Zone/ 17 years!!! 1st & Podalak, 2nd & Podalak, 3rd & Podalak, 4th down -- Have Podalak punt. 8 in the box worked against the Chiefs then and it works just as well now!!! Clark Hunt was in prep school or driving around in his birthday Ferrari back then, so he probably doesn't remember. If he had earned the right to own the KC Chiefs this current disaster might hurt more. You value things you bust your A__ for.

2] Bill Cower nor any other accomplished NFL coach with an ounce of sense would come to KC as long as King Carl is there. Herm is one of Carls projects ... and with typical results.

3] Earth to Carl P ... Boomer Grigsby could be a star in a movie about misfits playing in the NFL ... Oh wait, thats already been done. The NFL is the real deal .. you don't OTJ trian in the NFL ...you play or you don't stay. I like Boomers grit, he is a trian wreck waiting to happen on every play ... but he's not ready to block guys like Dwight Freeney and Ray Lewis.
Catfishunter

Kansas City, MO

#36 Dec 21, 2007
DerekB76 wrote:
Carl must go this year...no question about it. If things don't turn around by end of '08 season, Herm must go. By then, Bill Cowher will be ready to make another run at it. Are you listening Clark Hunt?
bill cower are you kidding me r so called fans have ripped every head coach we have ever had "martyball" shottenheimer, "no o" cunningham ,dick no " D " vermil,herm "no players"edwards no coach in his right mind would come to the chiefs
Catfishunter

Kansas City, MO

#37 Dec 21, 2007
Logan wrote:
Btw, one more bit, this is about a possible Chiefs-Jets trade involving Pennington and Coles for a 1st round and 4th round pick. WHAT????
Explain to me how a future career backup QB and aging WR, both with big contract numbers, unwanted on their own team (look at Pennington. He lost his starting job and shared time with a rookie last week vs. the Patriots. Yeah, he's totally the answer to KC's problems!)
The only reason this trade would go down would be to make Herm Edwards happy. Why should the franchise kowtow to a coach which has driven the team into the ground? He will probably be gone in another year, and then we're stuck with Pennington and Coles? Great job Carl! Way to put us back another year or two!
If you think this is a good trade, get a clue. Pennington was never a Top 10 QB of the NFL while in New York, no matter who you ask. His talent level falls far below many QBs currently in the league, some who have yet to even play in a game yet. Brady Quinn anyone? Why didn't we draft him? He was actually STILL AVAILABLE last year in the draft.
Look what Jets fans are saying about the possible trade. They couldn't possibly be more excited about getting a FIRST ROUND PICK in order to get rid of Pennington. If the other team is that excited to get rid of him, maybe we shouldn't be so excited to take him.
http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.ph...
Don't do this Carl, not if you value your life. I'm sure there will be bounties out for your head if you make this last final move to destroy the greatest AFL franchise.
IF THEY DO THIS TRADE IT WILL BE ONE OF THE GREAT CARL PETERSON BLUNDERS IF HE IS EVEN CONSIDERING THE TRADE HE IS AN IDIOT WE HAVE ENOUGH WASHED UP FORMER JET PLAYERS
vernon p smuckers

Kansas City, KS

#38 Jan 2, 2008
chiefs suck

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