'Silence' on hold for now

School districts looking for clarity on how to handle the new Illinois law mandating a moment of silence at the start of the school day will have to wait. Full Story
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a blinkin

United States

#1 Nov 16, 2007
Thank you Judge Gettleman and Rob Sherman.

Guess what, Religious Zombies: if there is a God worth praying to, it will be able to pick up your prayers anywhere at anytime, and will be able to do so even if you don't close your eyes or reach out your arms or otherwise try to show your fellow humans how devoted you are. This Mr. God will not require a formal moment of silence in order to be certain that the homilies are received.

Conversely, if the little zombies you're raising cannot maintain their religious faith without an ostentatious, formal moment of "silence" in the company of their fellow little zombies, then maybe the malleable little thing needs a little better indocrination from her zombie parents.

In short, both God and Religion should be able to survive real well without all the ceremony imposed by the Government. If they can't, then maybe they're not all that important in the first place.

Since: Apr 07

Chicago, IL

#2 Nov 16, 2007
Bravo to this commonsense judge. How dare elected officials mandate pseudo-religious legislation into public schools. Illinois representatives have have more important issues than to enforce religion on our children.
Russell

AOL

#3 Nov 16, 2007
I sure wish Rep Will Davis would spend his time on more productive pursuits, like trying to find funding for poorer school districts in the state - isn't that part of his job?
steph

Federal Way, WA

#4 Nov 16, 2007
"He [Rep. Will Davis] said he wishes opponents such as Sherman would spend energy on matters such as finding funding for poorer school districts."

I, for one, wish that our Reps would spend their energy on school funding rather than revising MOS laws.

Can anyone explain just WHY the old law needed revision? WHY it was worth the time to debate, pass and then pass again after rod veto'd it? Of all the things the legislature could be working on, THIS is important how?
Molly

Renton, WA

#5 Nov 16, 2007
What a relief to see there's a judge with some sense out there who could see through this disguise and call it for what it is. Prayer has no place in public school period. This was a real setback for Illinois, glad to see it turning a corner.
Greg

Arlington Heights, IL

#6 Nov 16, 2007
This Judge uses terms like "may be a violation of the Constitution". What is that about? If it is a violation of the Constitution then he has a right to declare it invalid. He also uses terms like a "moment" is not defined and therefore it is vague. What is that about? A moment is not a minute, not an hour and not of any long period of time. Schools are using 10 seconds or less, so why does that have to be defined?

He says that thinking about the Bears game is a violation of the statute. That is simply a ridiculous statement that I would not expect to come from a person that has attended law school.

He also said that taking out the Koran or Bible would be a violation of this. Once again, what is he thinking? If they could pull something out in 10 seconds or less, they clearly couldn't do much reading. Additionally, if the school interpreted that they could not read the Bible or Koran during that time, the school would be violating the Constitution which says that the state will make no law restricting religion (there is no words in the Constitution that say separation of church and state--look it up).

Telling students that they have to stay silent for 10 to 15 seconds (a moment) is not unConstitutional and in fact supports the Constitution in that it allows people to practice whatever religion they want for a brief moment of time. If someone's religion is "nothing" like Mr. Sherman's, maybe his daughter needs to think of that: nothing. A little quiet in a school day can be a good thing. In fact, I thought that most of the time is school children are supposed to be listening and not speaking.
jbarth

Elmhurst, IL

#7 Nov 16, 2007
Set aside, for a minute, the "prayer/not-prayer" issue.

Why should state legislators specify how any individual moment/minute of a day in a classroom be conducted?

Might legislators similarly require that a minute of every day, for example, be used to recite the alphabet backward, because a majority of legislators believe that it will help students to be more receptive to learning, or some such (non-religious) reason?

Does such micro-management of education delivery techniques by our lawmakers make any sense?
Jake

Chicago, IL

#8 Nov 16, 2007
Students already pray every time they take a test.
Molly

Renton, WA

#9 Nov 16, 2007
Separation of church and state is the law of this nation. Prayer does not belong in school and a 'moment of silence' is nothing more than a term used to disguise prayer.

Pray in your place of worship. It is not and should not be required in a public school period!

I resent the pretense this is anything other than prayer and it's really all about the parents, and not the kids at all. They for the most part seem to think it ridiculous from what I've read.

Why doesn't the government do something important, what a sham. I can't believe our tax dollars go to this ridiculous time waster.
Kraz

Glen Ellyn, IL

#10 Nov 16, 2007
u guys are all idiots.. who the frick cares whether or not a fricken minute of silence takes place in school or not. Nowhere does it say that you MUST pray during this time like this guy in the article suggests. Sleep or prepare yourself for the rest of the day. U guys are making a huge issue out of absolutely nothing just to get back at a fricken minute long silence which was taken so kids who wanted to pray could or could not. Be Tolerant hahaha
Rob S

Clarendon Hills, IL

#11 Nov 16, 2007
This is not a legal issue. If I want, or my children want to take a minute when the day starts, nobody, let me repeat, NOBODY could prevent him/her from doing it. They could not interefere with them, or ask about and/or criticize their reason for taking the minute. Many, many idiots are getting a lot of air time they would not get if this issue had not arisen.
The atheist, Sherman, is an absolute jerk. My kid taking a moment before class does NOTHING TO VIOLATE HIS KIDS RIGHT. In fact, he is interferring with the others kids that want that moment.
So folks, this is yet another example of a situation that only exists because some pencil d***s want to see themselves on TV. My kids take the minute, everyday. I do not ask them why, or put mandates on what they reflect on. If any school official or "atheists" try to interefere, they would face a parent that they are not used to. My wife and I are the ones who mandate this type of situation.
The atheist can kiss my God loving buttocks.
jbarth

Elmhurst, IL

#12 Nov 16, 2007
Greg wrote:
"I thought that most of the time is school children are supposed to be listening and not speaking."

Yes,true.
Such thinking is part of the reason why we are all so disappointed by the low quality of education in most of our schools.
jeff

United States

#13 Nov 16, 2007
I recall attending seventh grade at a public school in Atlanta. We had the "moment of silence" requirement there. Since I am agnostic I did not know what to do when everybody bowed their heads so I asked a couple of students seated next to me. They looked at me with distain and said "you're supposed to pray you idiot". I almost cried. I went home and yelled at my mom for not informing me of this situation and how to handle it. Since we had just moved from the more liberal state of New York she didn't realize how people in the south mixed religion with public school. For the next several weeks I was teased by other students, hit on the arm and condescendingly called an atheist. Since then I have been adamantly against state sponsored religion in public schools disguised as "a moment of silence".
MCC

Marengo, IL

#14 Nov 16, 2007
Mr. Shepard NEEDS TO GET A LIFE, a moment of silence isn't hurting anyone or is he afraid that his daughter will actually say a prayer. She actually needs to pray for him. If he doesn't want his daughter to participate then she can read a book during this time but why should everyone else be penalized, that is what is wrong with this country then we all wonder why there are shootings in schools, kids killing kids, but no one takes other issues seriously such as students dressing gothic,disrespecting their peers or adults,or writing threatening letters where have the morals gone. Worry about teaching your children to be product in this world rather then picking on petty stuff to complain about.
Molly

Renton, WA

#15 Nov 16, 2007
Your kids are welcome to whatever moments they chose to have but DO NOT mandate this in public schools. I support the suit filed and am glad to see a victory here. There is no place in public school to endorse any religion.

Collect your thoughts and have a family prayer in your car on the way to school. Don't impose it on others.
Rob S wrote:
This is not a legal issue. If I want, or my children want to take a minute when the day starts, nobody, let me repeat, NOBODY could prevent him/her from doing it. They could not interefere with them, or ask about and/or criticize their reason for taking the minute. Many, many idiots are getting a lot of air time they would not get if this issue had not arisen.
The atheist, Sherman, is an absolute jerk. My kid taking a moment before class does NOTHING TO VIOLATE HIS KIDS RIGHT. In fact, he is interferring with the others kids that want that moment.
So folks, this is yet another example of a situation that only exists because some pencil d***s want to see themselves on TV. My kids take the minute, everyday. I do not ask them why, or put mandates on what they reflect on. If any school official or "atheists" try to interefere, they would face a parent that they are not used to. My wife and I are the ones who mandate this type of situation.
The atheist can kiss my God loving buttocks.
Is It Any Wonder

Chicago, IL

#16 Nov 16, 2007
Rob S wrote:
So folks, this is yet another example of a situation that only exists because some pencil d***s want to see themselves on TV.

The atheist can kiss my God loving buttocks.
Written like a true "Christian"!

Pop another cold one and say another prayer. Maybe today you'll win the lotto.
a blinkin

United States

#17 Nov 16, 2007
My point remains unrebutted:

If you want your kid to pray in school, he/she may do so without the government mandating that everyone observe a moment of silence.

If your God cannot hear a prayer except with a State-mandated moment of silence, then your God is not particularly impressive. If your child is incapable of praying to God except with a State-mandated moment of silence, then you as a parent have done a really lousy job of religious indoctrination.
Joe

Girard, OH

#18 Nov 16, 2007
Question to those of you that think this "moment of silence" is no big deal: How would you feel about a "moment of reflection or wiccan ritual"? Imagine that our legislators felt it was necessary to MANDATE that school children spend a moment each day either doing nothing or conducting a wiccan ritual. Those are the two options as presented in the law. How do you christians feel about that? Still feel it's no big deal? Still feel your christian children will not be impacted whatsoever by the kids around them performing wiccan rituals and spells?
Joe

Girard, OH

#19 Nov 16, 2007
MCC wrote:
If he doesn't want his daughter to participate then she can read a book during this time but why should everyone else be penalized
please explain to me how other kids are penalized if this required "moment of silence and prayer act" is repealed and we go back to merely having the "option" of a moment of silence during the school day?
Mark my words

Chicago, IL

#20 Nov 16, 2007
Including the word "prayer" in the original legislation was a political maneuver. They knew it would be struck down; now they'll come back with another "toned-down" version that doesn't have the word "prayer," and the next judge will feel he has no legal standing to strike it down. These con artists know exactly what they're doing. The irony of all this is that schoolchildren would benefit from a moment of deep breathing exercises to calm them and focus their minds for the day ahead!

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