Dolphins: Souring on Lemon, will Cameron reach for Beck?

There are 245 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from Nov 12, 2007, titled Dolphins: Souring on Lemon, will Cameron reach for Beck?. In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

Cam Cameron might be souring on Cleo Lemon. For the first time since midway through the exhibition season the Dolphins' head coach expressed uncertainty about which quarterback he'll start for Sunday's game at ...

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Bob Greasy

Auburn, MI

#1 Nov 12, 2007
Just say Beck is starting, and quit the charade. Forget the tap dancing, just make a decision!

“Wasilla Moose Chick for Sale”

Since: Aug 07

Definitely Not Wasilla

#2 Nov 12, 2007
OH, NO! Please do not put Beck in. He might hurt himself or his ego if he throws to Marty Booker and Booker slips and falls. And besides, look, he can get injured and he looks real good standing there on the sidelines next to coach Peter The Principle.

I do not want to see any rookies or young players in any of the teams in this town. Pat Riley will not play them and I do not see why the Dolphins should start that now.

AND EVEN AS WE SPEAK. WE ALL KNOW THAT WAYNE HUIPINGA REALIZES THAT HE HAS MADE ANOTHER BAD HIRE AT THE TOP and he is looking right now. I heard he was seen surfing the pages of MONSTER.COM reading resumes of possible head coaches. Cameron is going back to work with San Diego at the West Coast offense... dink, donk, dink, donk, then the last donk after every third down is always 1 yard less than they need to get the first down.
WTFcam

Tokyo, Japan

#3 Nov 12, 2007
Wow! There is some light at the end of the funnel. Good luck Beck!!

“Wasilla Moose Chick for Sale”

Since: Aug 07

Definitely Not Wasilla

#4 Nov 12, 2007
The Buffalo game at home was the perfect game to start Beck~~~ but looking at the goofiness of this coach, he will probably start Beck away in front of the most hostile crowd. That is in keeping with his senseless wrecking lack of common sense. After keeping the rookie QB hiding he is going to throw him out in front of the craziest away environment. BUT WHAT THE HELL... this is the great but unproven rookie coach Cam Cameron

Like I said. Wayne H is now as we speak reading and surfing the Monster.com looking for resumes for coaches to replace this guy.
Ricky _williams_is_Mr_ MIA

United States

#5 Nov 12, 2007
Not onyly is the rick man ready for cam BS he is gonna be welcomed with arms wide open under the lights and sky dont mess with 305 young bucks a.k.a READ MYNAME
Ken in San Diego

United States

#6 Nov 12, 2007
Fair Hooker, I agree with your point that the Buffalo game was THE game to start Beck. But, no, Cam listened to his gut (really, it was just some bad Taco Bell, coach) and stuck with Lemon.

I like Lemon as a solid backup quarterback. I even hope the Fins sign him for next year as a backup. But Beck is the guy who CaMueller chose to be the franchise QB, so why keep him under wraps?

But starting him in Philly or Pittsburgh _ two of the most wicked places to play _ seems like a disaster waiting to happen. It really will be baptism by fire, if that happens.
mike

Jacksonville, FL

#7 Nov 12, 2007
Cleo is afraid of making mistakes. The first game Beck starts... we win.
tony reay

London, UK

#8 Nov 12, 2007
Am I the ONLY dolphan that understands the need for a capable and confident back-up QB? Surely that should be Beck's place for the rest of this abandoned season and Lemon should be given the opportunity to become that position so that next season they can switch places. Starting beck now will only (likely) diminish his confidence, as he hasn't had but a couple of weeks with the first team, and could injure him significantly. Pulling Cleo tomorrow would damage HIS confidence (the kid's only has 5 starts, folks.. in the NFL... and his IS getting better.) I, for one, will be much more comfortable using the rest of this season to find out whether we have our long term future back-up, for when saviour Beck starts. I think, Cleo has earned the rest of this season. He watched another two QB's get hired ahead of him and still seems to be handling it with tact and dignity... two important qualities in a back-up. I believe that most of those eager to throw beck to the wolves aren't really considering our won/loss record but rather simply don't trust the drafting of the kid and they're eager to see if he's the real deal. Next year is time enough for that... by next year, Cam will have used up all his rookie excuses, the OC will probably change, but the system will remain and the defense will be healed and rested and replenished.
Patience, folks... be patient and enjoy the improvements. Don't worry, the wins will come.
michael

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Nov 12, 2007
Hey lets be fair we are 0-9 were not going anywhere this season we know what lemon can do lets see what john beck can do
Billy Bob

Phoenix, AZ

#10 Nov 12, 2007
You have to give Beck a try at some point. He is a investment for the future, but he has to play and get the experience. And what better time than a
0-9 season.
Play him the rest of the season. It's
not like they would be risking a trip to the Super Bowl.
Get Beck seasoned.
Ken in San Diego

San Diego, CA

#11 Nov 12, 2007
mike wrote:
Cleo is afraid of making mistakes. The first game Beck starts... we win.
I agree with that first sentence. He is timid. He throws a nice ball most of the time, but I'm waiting to see a long ball from him. Doesn't seem to have the rocket arm that Beck showed in preseason.

Just had another wicked thought. Remembered that Cam said he was starting Lemon against the Bills because Lemon was the one who gave the Fins the best shot at victory. Maybe Cam thought that was the only game left this season he thought the Fins could win. And if that were so, then it would not matter who started the rest of the year. Maybe that's why he is considering starting Beck on the road in games that on paper appear to be hopeless. Just a crazy thought.(Come on, JahnDoh or JaneDough or whatever your name is, give me a shout.)
Stephen

AOL

#12 Nov 12, 2007
It's past time to start Beck. What have we got to lose? Another game? The O-line is playing very well and Chatman is running with a chip on his shoulder. That's 2 reasons right there to put him in. A 3rd reason...maybe we just might win one with a new QB starting a fire under this team. Damn the fact that we have 2 road games in front of hostile crowds in cold weather. Like that's ever going to change playing in the AFC East? Put him in there and let's see what he's got. I think he'll be fine. Cameron, you've had your ****, now it's time to get off the pot.
bOGENSHITZ

United States

#13 Nov 12, 2007
Too Late for now.
I don't like starting him now against philly. I'd start him at the Jets game where he has a decent chance to win and build a little confidence going into Buffalo and baltimore games both win-able. However,i'd like him to do well but,really when you look at the big picture you don't want the Dolphins to win themselves out of the #1 spot in the draft. This would set them back toward rebuilding.
The #1 pick in this years draft and i can't emphasize this enough is a very valuable position because of trading down and getting multiple high picks that would get this team off the ground for next year and give the fans something to look forward to.
If they win one game they could possibly drop to the third pick.
Win 2 games possibly to the 4th pick and 3 wins they're screwed.
I know it sucks,but this is reality.
It could be a windfall of high picks where they could fill alot of needs with quality players. Otherwise,it's going to be at least 2 more years of painful seasons just to get to 500.(maybe)
tony reay

London, UK

#14 Nov 12, 2007
michael wrote:
Hey lets be fair we are 0-9 were not going anywhere this season we know what lemon can do lets see what john beck can do
Presumably we alreayd know what John Beck can do... after no training camp, missing his starting running back and much of his teams' defence - so he'll be on the field for probably over thirty minutes, no reps with the starting team and not enough of an O line to matter against the Penn teams upcoming. What John Beck can do is make rookie mistakes, get hurt, throw picks, fumble in cold weather, and get his confidence shot to hell. I REALLY don't want to waste such a high and controversial draft pick to run those risks to save a season (at 0-9???) It's true that we are beginning to get an idea of what Lemon CAN don, I just think, since we are seeing improvemne t on a week to week basis, that we should give him the rest of the games to develope. I have no objection mto spot-playing John Beck as circumstances allow (SAFELY)- I'm old enough to remember the success of WoodStrock, and I'm not yet convinced that, in this injury-prone day and age, having a two-headed qb is such a bad idea, y'know?
DFF37

United States

#15 Nov 12, 2007
Beck I believe will make an excellent quarterback but he does not truly know what he is getting into. He will make his rookie mistakes and the so called fans will be yelling and swearing about what a lousy pick just like they did to Ronnie Brown until Cameron worked with him to make him into one of the top backs in the NFL.
Remember some quarterbacks take longer to develop than others. It took Brees five years - E manning is three years and is now just starting to get to the point he needs to get to.
So lets give Beck the time to develop - it may take him one year or maybe three but don't get down on him while he is going thru this learning period. I would love to see him walk out on the field and instantly become a Marino or Montana but that is not going to happen.
Jet Fan

United States

#16 Nov 12, 2007
Cleo Lemon, Beck,what's the difference?
It's Loserville USA. Changing quarterbacks doesn't matter when your receivers can't catch the ball.
It's gonna be same ol same ol. Becks gonna get spanked and you whiners are gonna start cryin and want another quarterback. Your problem isn't the quarterback,it's your stinkin offensive line & recievers who can't catch a ball if they had super glue on their fingers.
And don't think your line is great either. Improved, yeah, but still has a ways to go. So don't be disapointed if Beck gets his a.s.s kicked and throws interceptions. I don't wanna hear you morons trashin Beck like you did Culpepper or your really gonna get a dose of JET LAG! AAAARFFF!UUUGHT! I'll grab another bud and hit the sack and dream of the Jets with Mcfadden at running back or Brohm at QB! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
DFF37

United States

#17 Nov 12, 2007
tony reay wrote:
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Presumably we alreayd know what John Beck can do... after no training camp, missing his starting running back and much of his teams' defence - so he'll be on the field for probably over thirty minutes, no reps with the starting team and not enough of an O line to matter against the Penn teams upcoming. What John Beck can do is make rookie mistakes, get hurt, throw picks, fumble in cold weather, and get his confidence shot to hell. I REALLY don't want to waste such a high and controversial draft pick to run those risks to save a season (at 0-9???) It's true that we are beginning to get an idea of what Lemon CAN don, I just think, since we are seeing improvemne t on a week to week basis, that we should give him the rest of the games to develope. I have no objection mto spot-playing John Beck as circumstances allow (SAFELY)- I'm old enough to remember the success of WoodStrock, and I'm not yet convinced that, in this injury-prone day and age, having a two-headed qb is such a bad idea, y'know?
Tony - He did make it to training camp so he did not miss out on that training but the real problem is that the offensive schemes Cameron uses are very complicated and take much longer to learn and to get comfortable with.

I agree with you about spot playing him for now in games so he can gain the experience and start to get comfortable being out there and with the offensive system. My biggest concern is the fans yelling for his Axx when he makes his first mistakes - they are expecting him to throw a minimum of three to four touchdowns a game and perform like a all-pro quarterback who has been in the league for ten years.
DFF37

United States

#18 Nov 12, 2007
Jet Fan wrote:
Cleo Lemon, Beck,what's the difference?
It's Loserville USA. Changing quarterbacks doesn't matter when your receivers can't catch the ball.
It's gonna be same ol same ol. Becks gonna get spanked and you whiners are gonna start cryin and want another quarterback. Your problem isn't the quarterback,it's your stinkin offensive line & recievers who can't catch a ball if they had super glue on their fingers.
And don't think your line is great either. Improved, yeah, but still has a ways to go. So don't be disapointed if Beck gets his a.s.s kicked and throws interceptions. I don't wanna hear you morons trashin Beck like you did Culpepper or your really gonna get a dose of JET LAG! AAAARFFF!UUUGHT! I'll grab another bud and hit the sack and dream of the Jets with Mcfadden at running back or Brohm at QB! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Good Comments and observations!!!

Since: Jun 07

Rutledge, GA

#19 Nov 13, 2007
DFF37 wrote:
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Tony - He did make it to training camp so he did not miss out on that training but the real problem is that the offensive schemes Cameron uses are very complicated and take much longer to learn and to get comfortable with.
I agree with you about spot playing him for now in games so he can gain the experience and start to get comfortable being out there and with the offensive system. My biggest concern is the fans yelling for his Axx when he makes his first mistakes - they are expecting him to throw a minimum of three to four touchdowns a game and perform like a all-pro quarterback who has been in the league for ten years.
I agree with the point you are making. I like Beck, and want to see him start, but I also realize, if thats in ANY game this year, he is going to make rookie mistakes. Peyton Manning made Rookie mistakes. Tom Brady did as well. Brady had a hell of a defence on his side when he started his 1st year. I dont know if Beck will get anywhere close to those 2 guys level, but I know if he starts this year, and throws a few INT's, that doesnt mean he wont be good. Even if he is going to turn out like what we want him to, he isnt going to peak for another year or 2. He will need a good TE that can catch. Another good WR. As well as more discipline on the team. Ginn Jr now has had 2 TD runs called back on some stupid penalty. He also was WIDE OPEN in the end zone yesterday.
Broward Resident

AOL

#20 Nov 13, 2007
Why not throw the kid in and give him the field experiance he needs .. Whats the worst that could happen ..?? Loosing the game ?

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