The power of Tim Tebow has little to ...

The power of Tim Tebow has little to do with football

There are 170 comments on the The Orlando Sentinel story from Jan 16, 2012, titled The power of Tim Tebow has little to do with football. In it, The Orlando Sentinel reports that:

And so the nation's most contentious morality play is finally over, buried in the deep freeze of Foxboro, Mass.

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Mit Wobet

Houston, TX

#149 Oct 25, 2012
Those voters WILL NOT be saved on Dec 21st...

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#150 Oct 26, 2012
_Jusayin_ wrote:
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What's funny is in that whole diatribe of yours outside of all the hypocrite priests and reverends and pastors you couldn't name one other pro athlete fraud who's making money of other people's faith. ONLY TT is doing it to this extent and he's raised the bar to astronomical proportions.
Randall Cunningham
Kurt Warner
Reggie White (deceased)
Roger Staubach
Shaun Alexander
Hunter Smith
Steve Young
Deion Sanders
Brady Quinn

They are not "frauds", but they are all well known Christian pro athletes who either serve a ministry or have their own. In addition, many double as troubled youth counselors. Satisfied?

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You know, American football is a gladiators sport. It takes a unique and sometimes desperate person(due to their situation)to be able to play it and succeed. It isn't for wussies and pansies and to expect these modern day gladiators to all act responsible and civil on and off the field at all times is retarded. What do you expect when 90%+ of the NFL's players comes from broken homes, poor educational institutions and high crime impoverished areas? I'd applaud Suh if he'd just own it. I played sports my whole life and I've been involved in numerous on field physical altercations. It's just par for the course in competitive and anyone who denies that hasn't been truly competitive.
So, what you're saying is that making money from a perception that people have of you is "sick", but kicking people in the head and killing/torturing/maiming dogs isn't. Just boys being boys. Wow...

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I know you'll try and say well that's why TT is so special because he's not like all the rest. Yea, he's not because he tries to retain his squeaky clean fraudulent image to keep getting you sheep to get him into positions in life his skill set doesn't deserve.
Last time I checked I wasn't the one making decisions for the Broncos or Jets. And, unless I'm mistaken, Tebow is still the BACKUP QB for the Jets. So, what position is he in that he doesn't deserve?

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You call Rexy unorthodox and who's the most unorthodox BACK UP QB in the NFL?! TT! Yet, he still rides the pine! Even Rexy knows, bout time you sheep realized it too!
Now you're agreeing with Rex? Then you must also think his decisions to trade for Tebow, and to stick with Sanchez were/are spot-on. Sorry, but you take the good with the bad when you start using Rex to support your arguments...

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#151 Oct 26, 2012
_Jusayin_ wrote:
OMG check this out:
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/85...
Here's an excerpt from the article:
Five months after being named one of the top 100 players in the NFL, the New York Jets' backup quarterback was voted the most overrated player in the league -- in a landslide -- based on a Sports Illustrated poll released this week.
A total of 180 players voted in the survey, with 34 percent naming Tebow. How's this for a twist? Jets starter Mark Sanchez finished tied for second, receiving 8 percent of the votes. Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo also got 8 percent.
At least Tebow can say he's ahead of Sanchez in one category.
Even his own peers(who can actually play)deem TT an overrated fraud. Peer review results for TT = Fail but we're the one's who're wrong and blind not you Tebow-ites.
Yes, they said he was overrated, but YOU added the word "fraud".

And, how is it possible to be overrated when the media is constantly calling you "bad" and you are the BACKUP QB. I can't speak for all the others who have left comments, but I have NEVER said he was the best (or even one of the best) QBs in the NFL, the AFC, or even the AFC East. He may not even be the best QB on the Jets, but given the poor performances by Sanchez, Tebow at least deserves a CHANCE to start.
Magic Underwear

Miami, FL

#152 Oct 26, 2012
TMD wrote:
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Randall Cunningham
Kurt Warner
Reggie White (deceased)
Roger Staubach
Shaun Alexander
Hunter Smith
Steve Young
Deion Sanders
Brady Quinn
They are not "frauds", but they are all well known Christian pro athletes who either serve a ministry or have their own. In addition, many double as troubled youth counselors. Satisfied?
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So, what you're saying is that making money from a perception that people have of you is "sick", but kicking people in the head and killing/torturing/maiming dogs isn't. Just boys being boys. Wow...
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Last time I checked I wasn't the one making decisions for the Broncos or Jets. And, unless I'm mistaken, Tebow is still the BACKUP QB for the Jets. So, what position is he in that he doesn't deserve?
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Now you're agreeing with Rex? Then you must also think his decisions to trade for Tebow, and to stick with Sanchez were/are spot-on. Sorry, but you take the good with the bad when you start using Rex to support your arguments...
Whoa! I thought Steve Young was a Mormon?? He played at BYU.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#153 Oct 26, 2012
TMD wrote:
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Randall Cunningham
Kurt Warner
Reggie White (deceased)
Roger Staubach
Shaun Alexander
Hunter Smith
Steve Young
Deion Sanders
Brady Quinn
They are not "frauds", but they are all well known Christian pro athletes who either serve a ministry or have their own. In addition, many double as troubled youth counselors. Satisfied?
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<quoted text>
So, what you're saying is that making money from a perception that people have of you is "sick", but kicking people in the head and killing/torturing/maiming dogs isn't. Just boys being boys. Wow...
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<quoted text>
Last time I checked I wasn't the one making decisions for the Broncos or Jets. And, unless I'm mistaken, Tebow is still the BACKUP QB for the Jets. So, what position is he in that he doesn't deserve?
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<quoted text>
Now you're agreeing with Rex? Then you must also think his decisions to trade for Tebow, and to stick with Sanchez were/are spot-on. Sorry, but you take the good with the bad when you start using Rex to support your arguments...
Once again NONE of the people you've listed have used their religious beliefs to fuel their professional sports career in any way at all and if they have(highly doubtful)it pales in comparison to what TT has done in front of numerous cameras for the world to see purposefully.

A true man of faith doesn't and wont do what TT has done. Even Kurt Warner who you mentioned told TT to "tone it down" because he could see TT was ridiculously over doing it. What say you to that? Everyone else you mentioned has practiced his faith personally because none of them are/were looking for recognition and the $$$$ signs like your anointed one TT.

I call him a fraud because what he's doing goes against so much of what the bible teaches from him playing arguably the most violent sport in the world to grandstanding as he did in nearly every game last season. There are numerous "words of God" he's in direct contradiction of by just doing what he's doing while claiming he's a "true follower and believer".

It's simple, do you really think if Jesus was real and the son of God he'd approve of this especially when his words and actions contradict so much of what TT does? Jesus' teachings of obedience and infinite peace and love for one another doesn't equal playing a sport in which you or thine neighbor can be left paralyzed or dead on any given Sunday or associating daily with sinners and unequaled temptation.

But hey, he's getting your religion some publicity and getting more sheeple to join up even if he's a hypocrite! That's all that matters!

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#154 Oct 26, 2012
Magic Underwear wrote:
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Whoa! I thought Steve Young was a Mormon?? He played at BYU.
I love Steve Young and yes he IS the pinnacle of Mormonism but did you even see him 10 times a week shoving his beliefs down anyone's throat? Nope. In fact if his last name wasn't Young and wasn't kin to anyone at BYU you'd be hard pressed to find out what his religion was because Steve is the epitome of class and he knows it's wrong to grandstand especially when people just want to watch football but this is Steve Young we're talking about, not some side show joke who needs this publicity to maintain some relevance.
Special Teams Tebow

Miami, FL

#155 Oct 26, 2012
Steve Young had incredible talent, both in the pocket and on the run. He easily got by on that alone. Tebow has to make up for pisspoor passing skills with option running and faith rhetoric.

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#156 Oct 26, 2012
Magic Underwear wrote:
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Whoa! I thought Steve Young was a Mormon?? He played at BYU.
He is. What's your point?
Special Teams Tebow

Miami, FL

#157 Oct 26, 2012
TMD wrote:
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He is. What's your point?
You listed him as a Christian.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#158 Oct 26, 2012
TMD wrote:
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Yes, they said he was overrated, but YOU added the word "fraud".
And, how is it possible to be overrated when the media is constantly calling you "bad" and you are the BACKUP QB. I can't speak for all the others who have left comments, but I have NEVER said he was the best (or even one of the best) QBs in the NFL, the AFC, or even the AFC East. He may not even be the best QB on the Jets, but given the poor performances by Sanchez, Tebow at least deserves a CHANCE to start.
They're saying he's overrated because they feel he shouldn't even be in the NFL as a QB let alone the back up.

And see this is what pisses tons of people off too, you all call for him to keep getting these "chances" when there have been so many players cut or undrafted in the NFL who were never given the same chances. TT is a special case not because of his skill but because of his skin color his hype and his so called "faith".

Pick from the hundreds of black QB's with no hype who didn't grandstand their faith but with better skills who never even got drafted! Now tell me again TT truly deserves to be in the NFL as a QB be it 1st-4th string!

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#159 Oct 26, 2012
Special Teams Tebow wrote:
<quoted text>
You listed him as a Christian.
Mormons are Christians.

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#160 Oct 26, 2012
_Jusayin_ wrote:
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Once again NONE of the people you've listed have used their religious beliefs to fuel their professional sports career in any way at all and if they have(highly doubtful)it pales in comparison to what TT has done in front of numerous cameras for the world to see purposefully.
Well, which is it? Did they fuel their careers, or not? Make up your mind.

Tebow does not decide who or what the media records or broadcasts. If you have a problem with the images you see on TV or in magazines take it up with them.

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A true man of faith doesn't and wont do what TT has done. Even Kurt Warner who you mentioned told TT to "tone it down" because he could see TT was ridiculously over doing it. What say you to that?
What you call "ridiculously over doing it" (your words, not Warner's), is exactly what Warner did in the beginning of his career. Besides that, what would you know about "a true man of faith" anyway? You're an agnostic, remember?

If you had bothered to read the entire article you would have seen this excerpt:

"You can't help but cheer for a guy like that," former NFL star Kurt Warner said. "But I'd tell him,'Put down the boldness in regards to the words, and keep living the way you're living. Let your teammates do the talking for you. Let them cheer on your testimony.'

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/art...

Nowhere in the article does he criticize or advise against "tebowing", or call or imply Tim Tebow is a fraud.

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Everyone else you mentioned has practiced his faith personally because none of them are/were looking for recognition and the $$$$ signs like your anointed one TT.
I don't know what you've been watching, but everyone I mentioned in my previous post practiced their faith in full view of the world. They all acknowledged their faith in words and actions during games and interviews, and in their private lives. Some now have their own ministries.

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I call him a fraud because what he's doing goes against so much of what the bible teaches from him playing arguably the most violent sport in the world to grandstanding as he did in nearly every game last season. There are numerous "words of God" he's in direct contradiction of by just doing what he's doing while claiming he's a "true follower and believer".
You call him a fraud because you are practicing something called intellectual dishonesty. You obviously don't know very much about the Bible or its teachings, but you have a clear bias against it, and anyone who professes a belief or reverence to its message.

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It's simple, do you really think if Jesus was real and the son of God he'd approve of this especially when his words and actions contradict so much of what TT does?
Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Either Jesus is real and you are dead wrong about Christians and religion, or he is not, and the question is moot. Your choice.

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Jesus' teachings of obedience and infinite peace and love for one another doesn't equal playing a sport in which you or thine neighbor can be left paralyzed or dead on any given Sunday or associating daily with sinners and unequaled temptation.
But hey, he's getting your religion some publicity and getting more sheeple to join up even if he's a hypocrite! That's all that matters!
Wow. An agnostic who wants to lecture Christians on Christ's teachings. What's worse is that you have so many things completely backwards.

Christ walked with, taught, and fellowshipped with sinners every day of his adult life. He never shied away from a confrontation with nonbelievers, and taught his followers to bring the "unclean" to Him. One of his most powerful and enduring teachings was that everyone and anyone is redeemable. There is no one who is beyond the grace of God. This includes you JS...

Are we finished with the Sunday lesson?

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#161 Oct 26, 2012
_Jusayin_ wrote:
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They're saying he's overrated because they feel he shouldn't even be in the NFL as a QB let alone the back up.
And see this is what pisses tons of people off too, you all call for him to keep getting these "chances" when there have been so many players cut or undrafted in the NFL who were never given the same chances. TT is a special case not because of his skill but because of his skin color his hype and his so called "faith".
Pick from the hundreds of black QB's with no hype who didn't grandstand their faith but with better skills who never even got drafted! Now tell me again TT truly deserves to be in the NFL as a QB be it 1st-4th string!
Here you go about the black QBs again.

This is just a rehash of one of your old posts. This is an argument YOU (not the respondents to the poll) made on page #2 of this forum. I returned several replies:

http://www.topix.com/forum/nfl/TLLL9SCKTOHQBV...

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#162 Oct 29, 2012
Yep, I call him a fraud because he is according to Jesus' teachings. I've covered that already in another thread and care not to waste my time repeating myself to someone who is closed minded and wont even give another perspective a chance.

I'll say this, nobody saw Jesus in gladiatorial events making tons of money off it while playing the other side of the coin(Mr. Nice Guy role)to build up himself and his image all while professing he's the son of God. It is said Jesus walked the walk while your boy TT is all talk because his walkin is contradicting his talkin.

I know enough about the bible to know it should never, ever be taken literally. There is a message in it though that has and probably will forever escape you.

“All for 1, 1 for all”

Since: Apr 08

Akron, Ohio

#163 Oct 29, 2012
Not sure of which power Tebow has that you are arguing about.

If it isn't his religious influence, do you deem him a devil?

YOUR interpretation of the Bible is what we are arguing here?????

Just pokin' the embers ....

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#164 Oct 29, 2012
_Jusayin_ wrote:
Yep, I call him a fraud because he is according to Jesus' teachings. I've covered that already in another thread and care not to waste my time repeating myself to someone who is closed minded and wont even give another perspective a chance.
Yeah, we've pretty much beaten this horse to death. Besides that, I read your posts on those other Tebow sites. It's pretty obvious that I'm not gonna change your mind, and you probably won't change mine.

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I'll say this, nobody saw Jesus in gladiatorial events making tons of money off it while playing the other side of the coin(Mr. Nice Guy role)to build up himself and his image all while professing he's the son of God. It is said Jesus walked the walk while your boy TT is all talk because his walkin is contradicting his talkin.
According to you. There are two sides to every coin.

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I know enough about the bible to know it should never, ever be taken literally. There is a message in it though that has and probably will forever escape you.
Once again, I could say the same thing to you. It's been fun...
Tim Teatheist

Miami, FL

#165 Oct 30, 2012
TMD wrote:
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Yeah, we've pretty much beaten this horse to death. Besides that, I read your posts on those other Tebow sites. It's pretty obvious that I'm not gonna change your mind, and you probably won't change mine.
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According to you. There are two sides to every coin.
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Once again, I could say the same thing to you. It's been fun...
If Tebow were an atheist, would you still think he should start and is the potential answer at QB?

Lets seperate spiritual feelings from actual QB throwing mechanics.

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#166 Oct 30, 2012
Tim Teatheist wrote:
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If Tebow were an atheist, would you still think he should start and is the potential answer at QB?
Lets seperate spiritual feelings from actual QB throwing mechanics.
I really don't care what his politics or religion is.

He was one of the greatest college QBs ever. He captained 7 out of 10 wins in 2011 with Denver, and lead a first round playoff win against the second best defense in the NFL.

The Jets are now in a downward spiral and need a spark of some kind to turn things around. Sanchez is, obviously, not the answer. I think it's time to try something different. Why not give Tebow a shot?

If Tebow doesn't work out, then it's time to get another QB in NY. What that means for Tebow is anybody's guess. Get a new HC? Move Tebow to another position? It's worth a try.
Clem

Hamilton, Canada

#167 Oct 30, 2012
TMD wrote:
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I really don't care what his politics or religion is.
He was one of the greatest college QBs ever. He captained 7 out of 10 wins in 2011 with Denver, and lead a first round playoff win against the second best defense in the NFL.
The Jets are now in a downward spiral and need a spark of some kind to turn things around. Sanchez is, obviously, not the answer. I think it's time to try something different. Why not give Tebow a shot?
If Tebow doesn't work out, then it's time to get another QB in NY. What that means for Tebow is anybody's guess. Get a new HC? Move Tebow to another position? It's worth a try.
Tebow 1:5 and on every 7th day he rested.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#168 Oct 30, 2012
TMD wrote:
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Yeah, we've pretty much beaten this horse to death. Besides that, I read your posts on those other Tebow sites. It's pretty obvious that I'm not gonna change your mind, and you probably won't change mine.
Once again, I could say the same thing to you. It's been fun...
Indeed we have. My mind can be changed especially if you have something profound to share about TT. I'll at least listen and think it over.

It also wasn't fair for me to say something of faith escapes you as I don't know you or what you truly believe. It has been fun and I look forward to more debates and maybe one day we can actually agree on something.

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