Morning take: Interest in Tim Tebow?

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Laughing Bear Fan

Longmont, CO

#21 Apr 19, 2013
Roger Spikes wrote:
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Haters cannot tell the truth about Tim Tebow. They just can't. Could their contempt for the accomplishments of a spiritual and moral person be the reason? I think that may be it.
Tebow follows in a short storied line of religious leaders and their flock.
Jim Jones
David Koresh
Tim Tebow

The flocks of these leaders will do everything their leader asks of them

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#22 Apr 19, 2013
Laughing Bear Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Tebow follows in a short storied line of religious leaders and their flock.
Jim Jones
David Koresh
Tim Tebow
The flocks of these leaders will do everything their leader asks of them
That's sad but true. I would hope TT wouldn't take advantage of his "power" over the weak willed for sinister purposes but from the way these tebowmaniacs back him relentlessly and are blind to the bigger picture it's clear they've already drank the killer kool-aid and are just waiting for their orders. As you know they've already backed him with their $$$ in buying up all his jerseys and clamoring for him in getting him a status he can't back up.

I know I'll receive some stick for that but I've said this before several months ago and no TT supporter will respond to it and so I'll say it again, if TT was secular and never wore bible versus on his face paint and never did proclaim his faith and was just another guy, you tebowmaniacs would have no clue who he is because almost all of you are pseudo-football fans in the first place, therefore you're only on his bandwagon because of your shared faith.
Argument Man

Franklin, NC

#23 Apr 19, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
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if TT was secular and never wore bible versus on his face paint and never did proclaim his faith and was just another guy, you tebowmaniacs would have no clue who he is because almost all of you are pseudo-football fans in the first place, therefore you're only on his bandwagon because of your shared faith.
All I'm hearing is hate.
What part of he is a winner don't you believe, or need proof for?
Your tirades against "his faith" have nothing to do with his proven success.
Nobody, claiming he is Peyton Manning or Dan Marino. But he certainly is the best QB on the Jets right now.
Let me guess, you're a Blaine Gabbert fan?

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#24 Apr 19, 2013
Argument Man wrote:
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All I'm hearing is hate.
What part of he is a winner don't you believe, or need proof for?
Your tirades against "his faith" have nothing to do with his proven success.
Nobody, claiming he is Peyton Manning or Dan Marino. But he certainly is the best QB on the Jets right now.
Let me guess, you're a Blaine Gabbert fan?
I'm not the hatemonger that believes all non-christians and gays and lesbians and women who choose to abort their child even in cases of rape and incest will burn in hell for all eternity because they deserve it. TT and the like are the real intolerant haters.

TT also owes all his "success" to his faith because he used it and you mindless fools to put him where he is all with possessing marginal talent at best.

Many tebowmaniacs claim TT is better than Peyton because he has a better playoff record and he won a playoff game in Denver while Peyton didn't. Total idiocy.

He's also nowhere close to being the best QB with the Jets. TT while in Denver enjoyed one of if not the best O-line's in the game and he also benefited from a defense that kept the game close while TT stunk it up for 56+mins over nearly every game so to say he would've been better than Sanchez last year with all the injuries the Jets had and the players they needed and never tried to sign just shows you know little to nothing about sports.

Insert Tom Brady with that same Jets team and what the hell do you think they are? Yea Brady makes them better by default but do they keep Brady from getting hurried and sacked as much? Probably not. You get maybe a couple more wins with Brady but the point is with no time in the pocket TT would be happy footing it 24/7 and again his no.1 WR would be the sideline and his no.2 the turf.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#25 Apr 19, 2013
Argument Man wrote:
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All I'm hearing is hate.
What part of he is a winner don't you believe, or need proof for?
Your tirades against "his faith" have nothing to do with his proven success.
Nobody, claiming he is Peyton Manning or Dan Marino. But he certainly is the best QB on the Jets right now.
Let me guess, you're a Blaine Gabbert fan?
You still never responded to my point(typical)so I'll say it again.

If TT was secular and never wore bible versus on his face paint and never did proclaim his faith and was just another guy, you tebowmaniacs would have no clue who he is because almost all of you are pseudo-football fans in the first place, therefore you're only on his bandwagon because of your shared faith.

Go on, try and deny it.
Christian

Broken Arrow, OK

#26 Apr 28, 2013
Im happy to see a man be who he wants to be and share his faith in public. I've seen guys do way worse in public. Tebow has been given chances in the NFL. These coaches and players are all professionals and have years of experience in their craft. Trust these words if Tim Tebow was good enough at his position he would've played for the JETS. It's not that Rex Ryan is stupid. He's an experienced coaching professional. Also scouts are constantly searching talent. They find quality athletes in the smallest schools. Tebow is a good athlete but not an NFL pro style QB
I don't know this but all the teams in the NFL obviously think this. Especially John Elway.
Argument Man

Franklin, NC

#27 Apr 28, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
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You still never responded to my point(typical)so I'll say it again.
If TT was secular and never wore bible versus on his face paint and never did proclaim his faith and was just another guy, you tebowmaniacs would have no clue who he is because almost all of you are pseudo-football fans in the first place, therefore you're only on his bandwagon because of your shared faith.
Go on, try and deny it.
Sorry I didn't see any point. You realize you are making a logical error, first of all. Nobody is denying that part-time football fans have jumped on Tebow because of his expression of faith.

Your assumptions are bad. How do you know what faith I am? As a full-time student of this game, I can say Tebow is a gamer and a winner. Between messing with his mechanics and his ego and doing their best to make him into what he is not, Tebow REMAINS the best QB on the Jets, including after the addition of Manuel.

Why doesn't it bother you when any player points to the sky after a TD, or gives the sign of the cross before receiving a kick, or thanks God for his successes? What is WRONG with all that?

In short, I don't deny much of his popularity is due to his outspoken faith. I do deny there is a better QB than him on the Jets right now. Were I the GM, he would be under center all year. Then we would see, I mean, what do you have to lose?
Argument Man

Franklin, NC

#28 Apr 28, 2013
Christian wrote:
Trust these words if Tim Tebow was good enough at his position he would've played for the JETS. It's not that Rex Ryan is stupid. He's an experienced coaching professional. Also scouts are constantly searching talent. They find quality athletes in the smallest schools. Tebow is a good athlete but not an NFL pro style QB
That is too much faith in NFL talent evaluators. I'd say I could field a competitive team with undrafted rookies and available free agents. In fact wouldn't it be a good idea, each year in the NFL, to do just that?

Now what is an "NFL pro-style QB"? Andrew Luck? Carson Palmer? Weeden? One could argue those days are all but over. Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Kaepernick, RGIII, these are different types of player.

Tebow is a running QB with so-so accuracy, but who is clutch when it counts, inspires his teammates, and WINS. All of those are qualities I would want in my "NFL Pro-style QB." Game-planning to his strengths - as is done in Washington for RGIII, and Carolina for Cam Newton, for example, both of whom are also running QBs with so-so accuracy, or for goodness sake as was done for Phil Simms during his Super Bowl run, for instance, or David Woodley in his strong year - would result in similar success for the Jets. They would simply win more games with him than with anyother QB on tehir roster.
Laughing Bear Fan

Denver, CO

#29 Apr 29, 2013
What happens when noboody picks up Tebow?
Do you file a discrimination lawsuit against the NFL?
turf throwers

Miami, FL

#30 Apr 29, 2013
There is rampant discrimination against haphazard-armed QBs in the NFL.
Laughing Bear Fan

Denver, CO

#31 Apr 29, 2013
ArgumentMan wrote:
The Jets should start Tebow in 2013.
They did start him in 2013...
Started him on a fall from grace, on a long, arduous, and fruitless job search
Argument Man

Franklin, NC

#32 Apr 29, 2013
turf throwers wrote:
There is rampant discrimination against haphazard-armed QBs in the NFL.
Huh, but that hasn't stopped Gabbert, Vick, McNabb, Cassel, Ponder, and lots of other "haphazard-armed guys" from getting a chance has it?
Tim Tedone

Miami, FL

#33 Apr 30, 2013
Argument Man wrote:
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Huh, but that hasn't stopped Gabbert, Vick, McNabb, Cassel, Ponder, and lots of other "haphazard-armed guys" from getting a chance has it?
Every single one of the other QBs you mention have a higher career completion rate than Teblow. They've earned their chance more than Teblow has.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#34 Apr 30, 2013
Argument Man wrote:
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That is too much faith in NFL talent evaluators. I'd say I could field a competitive team with undrafted rookies and available free agents. In fact wouldn't it be a good idea, each year in the NFL, to do just that?
Now what is an "NFL pro-style QB"? Andrew Luck? Carson Palmer? Weeden? One could argue those days are all but over. Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Kaepernick, RGIII, these are different types of player.
Tebow is a running QB with so-so accuracy, but who is clutch when it counts, inspires his teammates, and WINS. All of those are qualities I would want in my "NFL Pro-style QB." Game-planning to his strengths - as is done in Washington for RGIII, and Carolina for Cam Newton, for example, both of whom are also running QBs with so-so accuracy, or for goodness sake as was done for Phil Simms during his Super Bowl run, for instance, or David Woodley in his strong year - would result in similar success for the Jets. They would simply win more games with him than with anyother QB on tehir roster.
"Now what is an "NFL pro-style QB"? Andrew Luck? Carson Palmer? Weeden? One could argue those days are all but over."

Know how I know you don't know jack about football? Those comments you made right there.

I'm a die hard 9er fan and I love me some CKaep but I know the D-coordinators of the NFL will eventually figure out a way to slow down or even stop the spread option/pistol offenses that Kaep, RG3, Wilson etc. flourish in and most importantly when your QB is running away from his protection it's usually only just a matter of time before he suffers from injury and it's usually serious.

So to my point, the pocket passing QB's will never go the way of the dinosaur because when you have a good one you know his shelf life is greater than the SO/Pistol QB's and when you're paying these QB's $55+Mil guaranteed you want to know your investment is going to at least be healthy for that contract.

All you are "argument man" is just another typical tebowmaniac who feels he must tear others down to raise TT up(saying RG3, Wilson and Newton are so-so passers LMAO!)who knows nothing about football and is all about TT because of what he has done for your faith and your "savior" when it was all really for TT himself but you're too blind to see it. It's due to people like you that the NFL has basically said TT is just not worth the headache because of the circus of zealots that support him but he brought this on himself and he and you all deserve what you get. TT is a fraud just playing the other side of the coin and exploiting all you sheeple. Way to go fools!

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#35 Apr 30, 2013
Argument Man wrote:
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Huh, but that hasn't stopped Gabbert, Vick, McNabb, Cassel, Ponder, and lots of other "haphazard-armed guys" from getting a chance has it?
More proof you know nothing about football and your crap argument is predicated on tearing others down to raise TT up.

McNabb winning the East div title numerous times and taking the Eagles to numerous NFC championship games and a Superbowl that they could've won if T.O. was healthy had a "haphazard-arm"? LOL.

Cassel was on fire when Brady went out for the Pats and the Chiefs gave him no protection and were changing head coaches and coordinators every week it seemed so he had no stability so arguably no QB could have flourished there BUT they still beat down TT in a "MUST WIN" game didn't they? Kyle Orton out performed TT and got some revenge in the process.

Gabbert plays on a bad team offensively period. What can one expect from a young QB whose getting hurried and sacked every time he snaps the ball?!

Vick was arguably the most exciting player to watch in his Falcon days and he lit it up in 2012 with the Eagles with his...wait for it.....ARM!

Go douche-bag and tebow-troll out somewhere else. You're all done here.

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#36 Apr 30, 2013
And BTW, TT sought out HIMSELF most if not all those QB gurus etc. to help his own flawed mechanics.

TT chose HIMSELF to go to the Jets and not the Jags because NY is the center of the media universe and it gave him the largest "platform" to get noticed on.

The lad is being exposed for what he really is day by day from his hypocritical and offensive beliefs and bad career choices to his cry baby tantrums he threw when McElroy started over him. One can hide his/her true self for so long. Time will fully expose him one day.
Metsfaninco

United States

#37 May 3, 2013
Argument Man wrote:
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Sure it was. You think Philbin wanted his receivers to run slants and short outs all year?
Tebow CAN beat out Sanchez. The problem is Sanchez's salary, and silly anti-Tebow hype by the Atheist "if he ain't got dreadlocks and tattoos he can't play football" crowd.
Tebow simply WINS.
Really? Then how did he lose to the patriots in the playoffs? I guess the awesome bills and chiefs didn't get that memo either? He doesn't simply win jack squat... He's 2 games over .500 for his career. Get over it. He's done and deservedly so.
Argument Man

Franklin, NC

#38 May 3, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
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"Now what is an "NFL pro-style QB"? Andrew Luck? Carson Palmer? Weeden? One could argue those days are all but over."
Know how I know you don't know jack about football? Those comments you made right there.
I bet my jock knows more about football than you do loudmouth. Up to now I've tolerated your personal insults aginst people who don't agree with your retard atheist tirades, probably because you're a wanker who doesn't like being judged a wanker.
_Jusayin_ wrote:
<quoted text>I'm a die hard 9er fan and I love me some CKaep but I know the D-coordinators of the NFL will eventually figure out a way to slow down or even stop the spread option/pistol offenses that Kaep, RG3, Wilson etc. flourish in and most importantly when your QB is running away from his protection it's usually only just a matter of time before he suffers from injury and it's usually serious.
In fact, I agree that the cycle will come around again, but right now, mobility is highly desired. If you don't believe or know that, spit out whatever it is you're sucking on and go read up about it.
_Jusayin_ wrote:
<quoted text>All you are "argument man" is just another typical tebowmaniac who feels he must tear others down to raise TT up(saying RG3, Wilson and Newton are so-so passers LMAO!)who knows nothing about football and is all about TT because of what he has done for your faith and your "savior" when it was all really for TT himself but you're too blind to see it. It's due to people like you that the NFL has basically said TT is just not worth the headache because of the circus of zealots that support him but he brought this on himself and he and you all deserve what you get. TT is a fraud just playing the other side of the coin and exploiting all you sheeple. Way to go fools!
Figure I'd post it all again so you can read what a jizzwad you really are. In fact I am not a Tebow-maniac, whatever that is, as if such a thing would be worse than your heart-framed picture of Joe Montana. Listen to yourself rant. I think you just might be jealous of Mr. Tebow.

Now as to what I think about Tebow, really. I think he is a servicable starter at the NFL level. He is better than about 6 starters right now. Had Mr. Tebow been coddled and nurtured like some QBs we all know, had they lived with his (formerly) accurate arm's delivery, had they fed his confidence with a gameplan for his strengths, he would win at the NFl level.

Now, well now he hasd been ruined by the very "QB gurus" you idolize, and who don't know shiiit from shinola about playing football. Just like you.
Argument Man

Franklin, NC

#39 May 3, 2013
_Jusayin_ wrote:
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More proof you know nothing about football and your crap argument is predicated on tearing others down to raise TT up.
You haven't given your first proof. Again, all I'm hearing his hate, tirades, and insults. That won't win with me.
_Jusayin_ wrote:
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Kyle Orton out performed TT and got some revenge in the process.
I actually like the way Orton plays. You confuse me with someone in love with Tebow. I just don't like him taking crap criticism of which yours is a prime example.
_Jusayin_ wrote:
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Gabbert plays on a bad team offensively period. What can one expect from a young QB whose getting hurried and sacked every time he snaps the ball?!
Vick was arguably the most exciting player to watch in his Falcon days and he lit it up in 2012 with the Eagles with his...wait for it.....ARM!
Go douche-bag and tebow-troll out somewhere else. You're all done here.
LOL I'm done here because you are a weasely ignorant trash-spouting moron who knows jack about football? LOL Go f yourself, champ. You're a bully. Giving silly justifications for the greatness of Matt Cassell and Donovan McNabb shows you have a few nuts loose in that balloon you call a head. Sure, fool, every player has his moments. Examine your own hatred of a man who has never done anything bad to anyone, at least that you know of. Ask yoir silly little self why you so hate Tim Tebow, that you would change all interpretation of NFL history and his character just so you can find a reason to hate him to others.

You're pathetic, man, really. Is your penis small? Did your wife take off with your best friend, a Christian? Talk to me, I can help walk you out of it.
Argument Man

Franklin, NC

#40 May 3, 2013
Metsfaninco wrote:
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Really? Then how did he lose to the patriots in the playoffs? I guess the awesome bills and chiefs didn't get that memo either? He doesn't simply win jack squat... He's 2 games over .500 for his career. Get over it. He's done and deservedly so.
So he can't lose? How did Marino get no rings? How did the 49ers lose last year? Brady? Please.

Better check those "career numbers" too. Did you include his Gator numbers? Full-time games only?

You might be right, he may be done. Saying deservedly so would seem to need more proof.

BTW, I understand some of your underlying anger. Being a Met fan and all.

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