Elway insists he's not looking to trade Tebow

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John Elway is barely into his first weekend as the Denver Broncos' new chief of football operations and already he's in damage-control mode.Elway took to his Twitter account Saturday to deny speculation he would trade quarterback Tim Tebow.The fuss started when Peter King strongly implied on NBC that Elway might trade Tebow to the team that hires ...

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Dave

Cypress, CA

#82 Feb 14, 2014
[QUOTE who="seriously??"] <quoted text>
Ok, So...Denver has the best offense in History and this whole thing is a failure because they lost the Super Bowl without 8 starters? Hmmm let's think about how Tom Brady was praised making it to the AFC Championship game without his Starters. The Key to this whole Debacle was the offensive line collapse in the big game. The fact that this offense was based on timing and the officials lack of Pass interference flags or Pro- Seattle flags in both the SB and NFC championship game set them to this free fall. It's was 8-0 and Julius Thomas was Held practically assaulted inside the Seattle 5 that was never flag and would've made this a 8-7 game. That changes the whole game. I know I was 100 ft from it.[/QUOTE]
Obviously you are not that serious. Dude they lost by 35 and Seattle sat on the ball in the final minutes so they didn't hit 50. They were officially 35 points better but could have been 42 ahead. No single play, not even ten plays, unless they were mostly TD passes or pick 6s could have made a difference. Denver did what they had been doing all year. They played 4 winning teams in the AFC and lost to 3 of them. Then they were given a phantom interference call to get by the Chargers and used a dirty hit to take out the one guy who was shutting Peyton down in the post season. Peyton had no chance (He just isnt programmed to win the big games, and his concentration on stats doesnt help him). That was all in your head because you have the misfortune of believing that swill the sports writers have been pushing at you. Nobody who knows football gave Denver a chance. They were not playing in a dome or in Denver to give Peyton and unfair advantage. And that is what he has relied on his entire career to inflate his stats and get wins. Everyone admits Peyton blew it big time, but Peyton won't. After all he got 280 yards passing, completed 68% and got a TD. After all he is a stat guy so that's what he looks at and strives for. Someone should tell him that when your focus is on something other than winning, you can only beat lesser teams but not the better ones.
Just to educate you, Seattle CBs were surprised Peyton couldn't read their defense at all. He has been advertised as being so cerebral. That too is a writer fabrication. The more they build him up the more they sell and that means the more they pocket. Wise up. If the media calls it one way, more than likely it's the other.
seriously??

Columbia, IL

#83 Feb 14, 2014
Dave wrote:
[QUOTE who="seriously??"] <quoted text>
He is the Best QB in the game. The same receivers were there when Timmy was the QB. All except Welker. You guys obviously no nothing or a bunch of Hatin' Trolls. "

You mean best QB in the minds of the sports writers and therefore the lemmings that believe their hype. Ask yourself, why do the GMs and Owners pick Brady 8 to 1 over Manning? Partial answer below:
Definition of lunacy is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Peyton almost always gets the same result. He loses against winning teams. Face it, Peyton is a big game choker who throws ducks. Only reason for his success has been having the best receivers, an Oline that protects better than the rest and playing in a dome and in the thin air of Denver. You have bought into all the inflated lies the media puts out about how great Peyton is based on raw numbers. Consider....Even this year his completions were shorter than Brady's. It was his receivers with their YAC that made the difference. Instead of them getting the credit Peyton sucks it all up. Give any QB the best receivers, best protection and let them play in a dome or in a stadium a mile up where the air is thin, and they will all have grossly inflated numbers. Yet Manning still throws more than 50% more Interceptions than Brady even with all his advantages. And whats that thing coaches harp on....turnovers lose games. Manning is a turnover machine. The bigger the game, the more turnovers. Yet he still states his goal is to own all the records. Thats the difference between him and Brady. Manning wants the records, Brady thinks winning is the goal and will sacrifice his numbers for the win and that is why smart people chose Brady. Still, Brady and Brees have kept pace with Manning despite having so much less. Especially Brady. He has had crap receivers for years and plays in the wind and rain in the cold northeast. Yet with Brees being the younger of the two, he will ultimately pass Peyon and Brady in EVERY category. He also had the benefit of passing in a dome for half his career. Then with just as many SB wins and a better postseason record to go along with his better raw longevity stats, no one will be able to put Manning in the Brees conversation, let alone Brady and Montana.
Yea your augment is about the biggest pile I've ever heard. So Brandon Lloyd wasn't good? Randy Moss wasn't good? Deion Branch want good? Hernandez and gronkowski weren't good? Danny Woodhead wasn't good?(See San Diego this year). Let's get this straight if Denver has the Best receivers in football? All Yac? Then why didn't Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow flourish with them? Then you say Joe Montana? Dude he had Rice and Taylor! Drew Breese is good but the dome helps any QB. Manning is going to break Brett Farves TD record by week 10 and his Turnovers this year have been when his line collapsed. Chris Clark basically single handly lost the Indy,San Diego games himself. If the QB is it during throwing motion the ball is up for grabs. By the record books Peyton is way ahead of Brady. Peyton is a year older and both have missed entire seasons with injuries. Have you ever been to Denver it snows, it rains and the wind off the Rockies can be hell. So is tom shit in the nice weather? Is his coach a factor? Peyton is essentially the coach. Plus over the last 12 seasons New England has one of the best offensive line in the NFL. Peyton had one or two good O- lineman this year. Clady back next year you will see a even better thrown for yards not Yac because he will have time to throw.
Dave

Cypress, CA

#84 Feb 15, 2014
[QUOTE who="seriously??"] <quoted text>
Yea your augment is about the biggest pile I've ever heard. So Brandon Lloyd wasn't good? Randy Moss wasn't good? Deion Branch want good? Hernandez and gronkowski weren't good? Danny Woodhead wasn't good?(See San Diego this year). Let's get this straight if Denver has the Best receivers in football? All Yac? Then why didn't Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow flourish with them? Then you say Joe Montana? Dude he had Rice and Taylor! Drew Breese is good but the dome helps any QB. Manning is going to break Brett Farves TD record by week 10 and his Turnovers this year have been when his line collapsed. Chris Clark basically single handly lost the Indy,San Diego games himself. If the QB is it during throwing motion the ball is up for grabs. By the record books Peyton is way ahead of Brady. Peyton is a year older and both have missed entire seasons with injuries. Have you ever been to Denver it snows, it rains and the wind off the Rockies can be hell. So is tom shit in the nice weather? Is his coach a factor? Peyton is essentially the coach. Plus over the last 12 seasons New England has one of the best offensive line in the NFL. Peyton had one or two good O- lineman this year. Clady back next year you will see a even better thrown for yards not Yac because he will have time to throw.[/QUOTE]
Brady and Moss reset the record books the first year together. Unheard of for a first year team up. Even Peyton took two years to get it done. Then Brady missed a year. First year back Brady was tentative about his knee. Moss never played another full year with Brady.
Brandon Lloyd was a bust. Dropping passes, running the wrong routes and a locker room nightmare, so no he wasn't good. Gronk, Woodhead and Hernandez are not wide receivers so they can't open up the under routes like Harrison and Wayne. What are you smokin dude. Dont you even have a speck of offensive understanding and route tree running? Bet you never played.
You even said it yourself that playing in a dome helps anybody. If it helped Brees as you said, then it helped Manning doubley because he played there twice as long. We agree, Dome QBs have inflated numbers. Thanks for your support.
As for Brady's Oline, you are wrong. They have given up almost 60% more sacks per game as Mannings Oline. How is that better? Think again.
Here is the critical stat.... Manning playing in a windless environment (so as not to misdirect his passes) for over a decade, with a better Oline and far superior receiversso still threw 52% more picks per game than Brady.
As for Mannings stats being ahead of Brady. It's true. He has played 49 more games so should be at least 49 games worth of stats ahead, far more when you take into account his advantages of a dome, HoF Receivers and the best Oline, but he is not. Manning started two years before Brady began, then add in one more year for Brady's rookie year where he sat behind Bledsoe. Brady per game stats are slightly behind Peyton's but comparable. Peyton's winning prowess is not comparable to Brady's. Postseason is even worse. Ask a GM who is better and why. The answer you will get is that Brady does more with less and is only concerned with winning. Manning wants all the records. Reason why he cried in Indy for the CAP o be spent on offense at the expense of the defense. The offense made him look good, but did nothing to build a winner due to a poor defense. Peyton is about looking good while Brady is about being good. That spells that Peyton is at least more self centered than Brady and may not do what is in the best interest of the team is it disagrees with his stated goal of owning all the records. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure it out. That's why more than 87% of the GMs chose Brady over Manning. You might be wise to follow suit. Or stay stupid and go along with the sports writers. They love stupid.
seriously??

Columbia, IL

#85 Feb 15, 2014
Everyone in New England's offense is a receiver. They did the same thing with Gronk and Hernandez as New Orleans does with jimmy Graham. And Brandon was not a distraction in the locker room. That was chad ocho cinco. Brandon came to New England with Mcdaniels. Let's also talk about the Defenses New England had that Peyton didn't. Peyton never had a Bill Belicheck. The guy is the best coach of our ERA. Maybe the best ever.

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Since: Jul 13

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#86 Feb 15, 2014
Dave wrote:
[QUOTE who="seriously??"] <quoted text>
Yea your augment is about the biggest pile I've ever heard. So Brandon Lloyd wasn't good? Randy Moss wasn't good? Deion Branch want good? Hernandez and gronkowski weren't good? Danny Woodhead wasn't good?(See San Diego this year). Let's get this straight if Denver has the Best receivers in football? All Yac? Then why didn't Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow flourish with them? Then you say Joe Montana? Dude he had Rice and Taylor! Drew Breese is good but the dome helps any QB. Manning is going to break Brett Farves TD record by week 10 and his Turnovers this year have been when his line collapsed. Chris Clark basically single handly lost the Indy,San Diego games himself. If the QB is it during throwing motion the ball is up for grabs. By the record books Peyton is way ahead of Brady. Peyton is a year older and both have missed entire seasons with injuries. Have you ever been to Denver it snows, it rains and the wind off the Rockies can be hell. So is tom shit in the nice weather? Is his coach a factor? Peyton is essentially the coach. Plus over the last 12 seasons New England has one of the best offensive line in the NFL. Peyton had one or two good O- lineman this year. Clady back next year you will see a even better thrown for yards not Yac because he will have time to throw."

Brady and Moss reset the record books the first year together. Unheard of for a first year team up. Even Peyton took two years to get it done. Then Brady missed a year. First year back Brady was tentative about his knee. Moss never played another full year with Brady.
Brandon Lloyd was a bust. Dropping passes, running the wrong routes and a locker room nightmare, so no he wasn't good. Gronk, Woodhead and Hernandez are not wide receivers so they can't open up the under routes like Harrison and Wayne. What are you smokin dude. Dont you even have a speck of offensive understanding and route tree running? Bet you never played.
You even said it yourself that playing in a dome helps anybody. If it helped Brees as you said, then it helped Manning doubley because he played there twice as long. We agree, Dome QBs have inflated numbers. Thanks for your support.
As for Brady's Oline, you are wrong. They have given up almost 60% more sacks per game as Mannings Oline. How is that better? Think again.
Here is the critical stat.... Manning playing in a windless environment (so as not to misdirect his passes) for over a decade, with a better Oline and far superior receiversso still threw 52% more picks per game than Brady.
As for Mannings stats being ahead of Brady. It's true. He has played 49 more games so should be at least 49 games worth of stats ahead, far more when you take into account his advantages of a dome, HoF Receivers and the best Oline, but he is not. Manning started two years before Brady began, then add in one more year for Brady's rookie year where he sat behind Bledsoe. Brady per game stats are slightly behind Peyton's but comparable. Peyton's winning prowess is not comparable to Brady's. Postseason is even worse. Ask a GM who is better and why. The answer you will get is that Brady does more with less and is only concerned with winning. Manning wants all the records. Reason why he cried in Indy for the CAP o be spent on offense at the expense of the defense. The offense made him look good, but did nothing to build a winner due to a poor defense. Peyton is about looking good while Brady is about being good. That spells that Peyton is at least more self centered than Brady and may not do what is in the best interest of the team is it disagrees with his stated goal of owning all the records. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure it out. That's why more than 87% of the GMs chose Brady over Manning. You might be wise to follow suit. Or stay stupid and go along with the sports writers. They love stupid.
What part of defense wins championships eludes you, Sybil?

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#87 Feb 15, 2014
Dave wrote:
[QUOTE who="seriously??"] <quoted text>
Ok, So...Denver has the best offense in History and this whole thing is a failure because they lost the Super Bowl without 8 starters? Hmmm let's think about how Tom Brady was praised making it to the AFC Championship game without his Starters. The Key to this whole Debacle was the offensive line collapse in the big game. The fact that this offense was based on timing and the officials lack of Pass interference flags or Pro- Seattle flags in both the SB and NFC championship game set them to this free fall. It's was 8-0 and Julius Thomas was Held practically assaulted inside the Seattle 5 that was never flag and would've made this a 8-7 game. That changes the whole game. I know I was 100 ft from it."

Obviously you are not that serious. Dude they lost by 35 and Seattle sat on the ball in the final minutes so they didn't hit 50. They were officially 35 points better but could have been 42 ahead. No single play, not even ten plays, unless they were mostly TD passes or pick 6s could have made a difference. Denver did what they had been doing all year. They played 4 winning teams in the AFC and lost to 3 of them. Then they were given a phantom interference call to get by the Chargers and used a dirty hit to take out the one guy who was shutting Peyton down in the post season. Peyton had no chance (He just isnt programmed to win the big games, and his concentration on stats doesnt help him). That was all in your head because you have the misfortune of believing that swill the sports writers have been pushing at you. Nobody who knows football gave Denver a chance. They were not playing in a dome or in Denver to give Peyton and unfair advantage. And that is what he has relied on his entire career to inflate his stats and get wins. Everyone admits Peyton blew it big time, but Peyton won't. After all he got 280 yards passing, completed 68% and got a TD. After all he is a stat guy so that's what he looks at and strives for. Someone should tell him that when your focus is on something other than winning, you can only beat lesser teams but not the better ones.
Just to educate you, Seattle CBs were surprised Peyton couldn't read their defense at all. He has been advertised as being so cerebral. That too is a writer fabrication. The more they build him up the more they sell and that means the more they pocket. Wise up. If the media calls it one way, more than likely it's the other.
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2011/7/5/2259252/...

Tom Brady said that Manning was greatest of all time, so stop obsessing over a man when you're not a female.
Dave

Cypress, CA

#88 Feb 15, 2014
[QUOTE who="seriously??"]Ev eryone in New England's offense is a receiver. They did the same thing with Gronk and Hernandez as New Orleans does with jimmy Graham. And Brandon was not a distraction in the locker room. That was chad ocho cinco. Brandon came to New England with Mcdaniels. Let's also talk about the Defenses New England had that Peyton didn't. Peyton never had a Bill Belicheck. The guy is the best coach of our ERA. Maybe the best ever.[/QUOTE]
You are regurgitating what the talking heads on the networks say. That is your big mistake, failing to think for yourself. Belichick is a defensive genius according to these guys. Yet he has had a bottom of the league defense for four of the last five years. As a head coach he is lacking. Who in his right mind couldn't figure out that when you have a QB of Brady's ability. having a couple of quality wide receivers would enhance your team. That's wide receivers not slot guys or TEs. Other than Moss the Pats havent had a quality wideout. Your assertion that Lloyd was good is dispelled by the Pats releasing him after one year. Both he and Ochocinco where not up to the task of playing wideout. They both were beaten out by rookies. That and a wack upside your head should wake you up. Pats good defensive years were when they still had the players drafted by Pete Carroll not Belichick. You might remember Carroll. He also built the current SB Champs, Seattle Seahawks.
Lastly chose your words more carefully. Everyone in NE's offense is not a receiver. The Oline isn't. The QB isn't. Some of the TEs only block. The rookies are questionable. It has even been questioned whether some of the receivers are not just guys off the street playing the role of receivers. The Pats problem is too many guys who play inside the numbers, slot guys and TEs with no real outside the number threats. Guys who can open up the middle not clog it up. Your arguments is not only wrong, it shows a childish view of a more complex game. Your first mistake is believing the sports media. They like lemmings. Time to grow up and think for yourself.
Dave

Cypress, CA

#89 Feb 15, 2014
Phoenix Ascended wrote:
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What part of defense wins championships eludes you, Sybil?
You really don't get it. Defense wins championships is a sound bite that sounds good and gives lemmings something to hold on to. Vince Lombardi disagrees with you. So dies Paul Brown and his assistant Walsh of 49er fame. When you can't even tell a sound bite from the truth your ability to hold a real debate is limited, and it labels you as a simpleton, which unfortumnately most fans are.
Mathematically each offense plays against a defense and vice versa. Since each team has both an offense and a defense it come down to having a better aggregate of both offense and defense as opposed to your opponent. Focusing on either one alone is mathematically incorrect. You also must factor in special teams.
To show how ridiculous you are... Seattle offense won the SuperBowl because they blew out the Denver defense. Or was it the Seattle defense that won it because they shut down the Denver offense? Or did you notice that even the special teams were far superior to Denvers? Or did Peyton just do what he always does and choke big time in a big game and it wasn't the defense at all.. Or maybe, just maybe they all happened. Like to hear what you think. Please don't be so stupid as to take the lemmings view and say it was the defense that won it, when it's a team game. Although the defense did out score Manning 9-8 all by themselves.
Ther is a reason why GMs didn't have Manning in their top five for MVP. When you figure out why, you will have graduated out of the world of the foolish lemming fan. Until then have a great new year and enjoy the games. They are fun to watch, even when you have no idea of what is really going on.

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#90 Feb 15, 2014
Dave wrote:
<quoted text>You really don't get it. Defense wins championships is a sound bite that sounds good and gives lemmings something to hold on to. Vince Lombardi disagrees with you. So dies Paul Brown and his assistant Walsh of 49er fame. When you can't even tell a sound bite from the truth your ability to hold a real debate is limited, and it labels you as a simpleton, which unfortumnately most fans are.
Mathematically each offense plays against a defense and vice versa. Since each team has both an offense and a defense it come down to having a better aggregate of both offense and defense as opposed to your opponent. Focusing on either one alone is mathematically incorrect. You also must factor in special teams.
To show how ridiculous you are... Seattle offense won the SuperBowl because they blew out the Denver defense. Or was it the Seattle defense that won it because they shut down the Denver offense? Or did you notice that even the special teams were far superior to Denvers? Or did Peyton just do what he always does and choke big time in a big game and it wasn't the defense at all.. Or maybe, just maybe they all happened. Like to hear what you think. Please don't be so stupid as to take the lemmings view and say it was the defense that won it, when it's a team game. Although the defense did out score Manning 9-8 all by themselves.
Ther is a reason why GMs didn't have Manning in their top five for MVP. When you figure out why, you will have graduated out of the world of the foolish lemming fan. Until then have a great new year and enjoy the games. They are fun to watch, even when you have no idea of what is really going on.
We all know the simple concept of defense winning championships eludes you, Sybil.

Perhaps it's due to you having multiple poster names on threads.
seriously??

Columbia, IL

#91 Feb 15, 2014
Dave wrote:
<quoted text>You really don't get it. Defense wins championships is a sound bite that sounds good and gives lemmings something to hold on to. Vince Lombardi disagrees with you. So dies Paul Brown and his assistant Walsh of 49er fame. When you can't even tell a sound bite from the truth your ability to hold a real debate is limited, and it labels you as a simpleton, which unfortumnately most fans are.
Mathematically each offense plays against a defense and vice versa. Since each team has both an offense and a defense it come down to having a better aggregate of both offense and defense as opposed to your opponent. Focusing on either one alone is mathematically incorrect. You also must factor in special teams.
To show how ridiculous you are... Seattle offense won the SuperBowl because they blew out the Denver defense. Or was it the Seattle defense that won it because they shut down the Denver offense? Or did you notice that even the special teams were far superior to Denvers? Or did Peyton just do what he always does and choke big time in a big game and it wasn't the defense at all.. Or maybe, just maybe they all happened. Like to hear what you think. Please don't be so stupid as to take the lemmings view and say it was the defense that won it, when it's a team game. Although the defense did out score Manning 9-8 all by themselves.
Ther is a reason why GMs didn't have Manning in their top five for MVP. When you figure out why, you will have graduated out of the world of the foolish lemming fan. Until then have a great new year and enjoy the games. They are fun to watch, even when you have no idea of what is really going on.
Dude they played their 2nd and3rd stringers on Defense!!! Weren't you using that all year when you were sucking Brady off?
seriously??

Columbia, IL

#92 Feb 15, 2014
Denver had a bottom 3 special teams. The team was not healthy. John Fox was too stupid to have Manning Change his hand signs. P.s. Lemmings jump into the Boston Harbor when Little Eli beats Tommie's pats in 2 bowls. Maybe it's the Welker Curse?

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#93 Feb 15, 2014
[QUOTE who="seriously??"] <quoted text>Dude they played their 2nd and3rd stringers on Defense!!! Weren't you using that all year when you were sucking Brady off?[/QUOTE]
LOL

It is what it is with Sybil being duped.
seriously??

Columbia, IL

#94 Feb 15, 2014
Dave wrote:
[QUOTE who="seriously??"]Ev eryone in New England's offense is a receiver. They did the same thing with Gronk and Hernandez as New Orleans does with jimmy Graham. And Brandon was not a distraction in the locker room. That was chad ocho cinco. Brandon came to New England with Mcdaniels. Let's also talk about the Defenses New England had that Peyton didn't. Peyton never had a Bill Belicheck. The guy is the best coach of our ERA. Maybe the best ever. "

You are regurgitating what the talking heads on the networks say. That is your big mistake, failing to think for yourself. Belichick is a defensive genius according to these guys. Yet he has had a bottom of the league defense for four of the last five years. As a head coach he is lacking. Who in his right mind couldn't figure out that when you have a QB of Brady's ability. having a couple of quality wide receivers would enhance your team. That's wide receivers not slot guys or TEs. Other than Moss the Pats havent had a quality wideout. Your assertion that Lloyd was good is dispelled by the Pats releasing him after one year. Both he and Ochocinco where not up to the task of playing wideout. They both were beaten out by rookies. That and a wack upside your head should wake you up. Pats good defensive years were when they still had the players drafted by Pete Carroll not Belichick. You might remember Carroll. He also built the current SB Champs, Seattle Seahawks.
Lastly chose your words more carefully. Everyone in NE's offense is not a receiver. The Oline isn't. The QB isn't. Some of the TEs only block. The rookies are questionable. It has even been questioned whether some of the receivers are not just guys off the street playing the role of receivers. The Pats problem is too many guys who play inside the numbers, slot guys and TEs with no real outside the number threats. Guys who can open up the middle not clog it up. Your arguments is not only wrong, it shows a childish view of a more complex game. Your first mistake is believing the sports media. They like lemmings. Time to grow up and think for yourself.
That's why I referred to Hernandez and Gronk as receivers not the Hawaiian guy. Talking heads? Your whole argument has been a side show regurgitation of some Bob Ryan Boston Globe B.S. Monday morning piece. All the GM did want Peyton?? That's why 8 teams made a move towards him when he was Cut.
Dave

Cypress, CA

#95 Feb 16, 2014
Phoenix Ascended wrote:
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http://www.stampedeblue.com/2011/7/5/2259252/...
Tom Brady said that Manning was greatest of all time, so stop obsessing over a man when you're not a female.
Only obsessing I do is over the truth. Brady and Manning are just the conduits the media has used to show how tainted and corrupt they are, all to line their pockets.
Dave

Cypress, CA

#96 Feb 16, 2014
[QUOTE who="seriously??"]De nver had a bottom 3 special teams. The team was not healthy. John Fox was too stupid to have Manning Change his hand signs. P.s. Lemmings jump into the Boston Harbor when Little Eli beats Tommie's pats in 2 bowls. Maybe it's the Welker Curse?[/QUOTE]
You mean Manning was too stupid to change his signs.
You obviously haven't been paying attention. Media has been proclaiming Manning a genius. He is so cerebral. He makes the calls on the field and manipulates the defenses by changing up his calls. Omaha, omaha. Or so they say. It was Peyton not Fox under center making the calls. It was Peyton alone who underwhelmed as he always does. As for being so cerebral, a Seattle CBs said it best "that QB we played today, I thought we were supposed to be playing a Hall of Famer, I didn't see it". "We just played a basic defense and he couldnt even read what we were doing". If you think for yourself, ask how a QB who is supposed to be able to read any defense and make the right calls could look so impotent. Answer, it's the media who SAYS he can read any defense. That doesn't make it true. Seattle proved that, and also unveiled that the media has been playing you. Peyton is an excellent QB, just not as excellent as they would have you believe. After all, whats the goal of writers? To exaggerate the truth to get you to buy into what they are reporting and buy more copy.
You are right Giants won twice. But Brady had them in position to win both times. An Assante Samuel dropped INT and TE miracle catch got the Giants the first one, and a Wes Welker drop and injured Gronk got them the second one. In both games Brady marched his team down for the winning drive only to have his defense collapse. He could be 5-0 in SBs. 6-0 if the forward progress was marked correctly on that 4th and 3 play against Colts.

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#97 Feb 16, 2014
Dave wrote:
<quoted text>Only obsessing I do is over the truth. Brady and Manning are just the conduits the media has used to show how tainted and corrupt they are, all to line their pockets.
Truth is subjective, Sybil.
Dave

Cypress, CA

#98 Feb 16, 2014
[QUOTE who="seriously??"] <quoted text>
That's why I referred to Hernandez and Gronk as receivers not the Hawaiian guy. Talking heads? Your whole argument has been a side show regurgitation of some Bob Ryan Boston Globe B.S. Monday morning piece. All the GM did want Peyton?? That's why 8 teams made a move towards him when he was Cut.[/QUOTE]
8 is not all. 32 is all. What you say is all is only 25%. that means 75% said not interested. Most took a pass on Peyton because in football circles they know things you have been told but fail to believe. Bottomline is that Peyton could have chosen San Fran and walked away with a Lombardi Trophy this year. But instead of chosing a team with great receivers and a solid defense, Peyton opted for a team with even better receivers and a questionable defense so he could up his numbers. Peyton will ALWAYS chose the team with the better offense because his goal is to amass the most stats to become the best ever. Someone should have educated him better. More stats does not mean better QB. Manning has 25k more yards passing than Joe Montana but can hardly be considered in his class. Peyton has always fought, even in Indy, to have money spent on offense and be damned with the defense. Reason why he has big numbers and played on poor defensive teams. Even his ducks have sought cover in a windless dome.
Item 2. You still fail to grasp the idea of a route tree and why outside the numbers guys, "wide" receivers get paid twice as much as inside the numbers guys. Gronk, Hernandez, Welker, Edelman are all inside the numbers guys. They clog up the middle. What the Pats need, and any team needs is big, fast outside the numbers guys who can 1. go up and get it and
2. Stretch the field to create under routes for YAC. Think about it. Understanding this point alone will open up the game for you and double your pleasure when watching.
Brady set the league on fire his first year with Moss, unheard of. Even Peyton took two years to get it done with more quality receivers. Brady got hurt the next year and then was tentative about his knee the next. Moss never played with Brady again for a full season. Pats have had no other true quality "wide" receiver while Manning has had 2 HoFers in a dome for over a decade, and possibly two more in Denver. Branch at 5'9" and too slow was the best Pats have had and it's just not good enough. Lloyd dropped too many passes, ran the wrong routes and was a "challenge" in the locker room, so much so that they cut him in favor of no name, no history rookies. An occasional crocus catch that made catch of the day was not what a team needs. Lloyd needed to be consistent and he wasn't.
Here is just one of the keys. Manning throws to the receiver. This ups his completion percentage but also results in more, many more INTs. And playing with great receivers, best Oline and in a dome aided him greatly. Brady doesn't throw to his receivers, instead he throws away from the defense which lowers his completion percentage but also his lowers his INTs. Manning goes for stats Brady goes for limiting turnovers which leads to more games one, despite playing in a windy, rainy environment. Once you understand this, you will more likely agree with the GMs and Owners who pick Brady over Manning 8-1. Or you could stay with the media who have an incestuous relationship with Peyton. Your call.
Dave

Cypress, CA

#99 Feb 16, 2014
[QUOTE who="seriously??"]De nver had a bottom 3 special teams. The team was not healthy. John Fox was too stupid to have Manning Change his hand signs. P.s. Lemmings jump into the Boston Harbor when Little Eli beats Tommie's pats in 2 bowls. Maybe it's the Welker Curse?[/QUOTE]
Interesting that when you have no facts to back up your position you revert to name calling. Just like the politicians from your not so great state.
seriously??

Columbia, IL

#100 Feb 16, 2014
Dave wrote:
[QUOTE who="seriously??"]De nver had a bottom 3 special teams. The team was not healthy. John Fox was too stupid to have Manning Change his hand signs. P.s. Lemmings jump into the Boston Harbor when Little Eli beats Tommie's pats in 2 bowls. Maybe it's the Welker Curse?"

Interesting that when you have no facts to back up your position you revert to name calling. Just like the politicians from your not so great state.
There were facts. Richard Sherman said the Seahawks talked with other team ehhh the Chiefs for one to see what he does. Denver was at the bottom on Special Teams look it up.
seriously??

Columbia, IL

#101 Feb 16, 2014
Dave wrote:
[QUOTE who="seriously??"] <quoted text>
That's why I referred to Hernandez and Gronk as receivers not the Hawaiian guy. Talking heads? Your whole argument has been a side show regurgitation of some Bob Ryan Boston Globe B.S. Monday morning piece. All the GM did want Peyton?? That's why 8 teams made a move towards him when he was Cut. "

8 is not all. 32 is all. What you say is all is only 25%. that means 75% said not interested. Most took a pass on Peyton because in football circles they know things you have been told but fail to believe. Bottomline is that Peyton could have chosen San Fran and walked away with a Lombardi Trophy this year. But instead of chosing a team with great receivers and a solid defense, Peyton opted for a team with even better receivers and a questionable defense so he could up his numbers. Peyton will ALWAYS chose the team with the better offense because his goal is to amass the most stats to become the best ever. Someone should have educated him better. More stats does not mean better QB. Manning has 25k more yards passing than Joe Montana but can hardly be considered in his class. Peyton has always fought, even in Indy, to have money spent on offense and be damned with the defense. Reason why he has big numbers and played on poor defensive teams. Even his ducks have sought cover in a windless dome.
Item 2. You still fail to grasp the idea of a route tree and why outside the numbers guys, "wide" receivers get paid twice as much as inside the numbers guys. Gronk, Hernandez, Welker, Edelman are all inside the numbers guys. They clog up the middle. What the Pats need, and any team needs is big, fast outside the numbers guys who can 1. go up and get it and
2. Stretch the field to create under routes for YAC. Think about it. Understanding this point alone will open up the game for you and double your pleasure when watching.
Brady set the league on fire his first year with Moss, unheard of. Even Peyton took two years to get it done with more quality receivers. Brady got hurt the next year and then was tentative about his knee the next. Moss never played with Brady again for a full season. Pats have had no other true quality "wide" receiver while Manning has had 2 HoFers in a dome for over a decade, and possibly two more in Denver. Branch at 5'9" and too slow was the best Pats have had and it's just not good enough. Lloyd dropped too many passes, ran the wrong routes and was a "challenge" in the locker room, so much so that they cut him in favor of no name, no history rookies. An occasional crocus catch that made catch of the day was not what a team needs. Lloyd needed to be consistent and he wasn't.
Here is just one of the keys. Manning throws to the receiver. This ups his completion percentage but also results in more, many more INTs. And playing with great receivers, best Oline and in a dome aided him greatly. Brady doesn't throw to his receivers, instead he throws away from the defense which lowers his completion percentage but also his lowers his INTs. Manning goes for stats Brady goes for limiting turnovers which leads to more games one, despite playing in a windy, rainy environment. Once you understand this, you will more likely agree with the GMs and Owners who pick Brady over Manning 8-1. Or you could stay with the media who have an incestuous relationship with Peyton. Your call.
The other 24 Teams had Franchise QB's are you not understanding that or was the 8 left open for you to say 32. Doesn't every QB go to limiting Turnovers? That could be the dumbest statement I've ever heard. Tell me the owners and GM's your so close with that told you that. Or was that in your fantasy story book? The chapter after Jack and Bean stock.

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