Patriots-Broncos far more than just a battle of legendary quarterbacks

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The Patriots-Broncos rivalry, particularly in recent years, has offered its share of enduring images: of Benjamin Watson chasing down Champ Bailey after an interception in the playoffs.

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Streetrunner

Amityville, NY

#1 Nov 25, 2013
Blount took a heavy hit to the side of the head when he fumbled. It looked like he lost consciousness ... tough dude ... hope he not too tough to ask for help ... If he needs it.
Edgar

Los Angeles, CA

#2 Nov 26, 2013
Looked like only one legendary QB showed up Sunday Night. Peyton was a Popsicle, and his passes don't cut through the wind like Brady's do. Good thing he played his careedomestic dome where he didn't have to be a. Real QB.
Streetrunner

Amityville, NY

#3 Nov 29, 2013
Manning is actually a better QB then Brady. Brady just gets incredibly lucky. Also Welker is intimidated by being in the same stadium as Brady.
Dave

Cypress, CA

#4 Nov 29, 2013
Streetrunner wrote:
Manning is actually a better QB then Brady. Brady just gets incredibly lucky. Also Welker is intimidated by being in the same stadium as Brady.
You were close, Manning is a better QB than Welker, and it's Manning who is the one Intimidated by Brady. Funny how Brady is so "lucky" that he just happens to have the best winning percentage of all-time, not to mention beating Peyton 10 of 14 times. Brady's luck is in his throwing over 30% fewer interceptions than Peyton and not at critical times? If the media wants to call Manning great, they can do that, they just need to call Brady great(er). Brady also gets more from less.
Streetrunner

Amityville, NY

#5 Dec 4, 2013
If Peyton had just a little more pass protection and one more high end receiver .. He would crush The Brady bunch.
Dave

Cypress, CA

#6 Dec 5, 2013
Streetrunner wrote:
If Peyton had just a little more pass protection and one more high end receiver .. He would crush The Brady bunch.
If he can't do it with the enormous advantage he already has then he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Brady. Oh wait, Peyton has always had an enormous advantage on the offensive side of the ball and continues to win in the hearts and minds of the bought and paid for press because competition sells and puts dollars in their pocket, but on the field where it counts he seldom measures up. He even lost head to head yet again making it 10 losses in 14 tries and this time to the worst Brady Patriot offensive season ever. Earlier this year 2 of 7 sports writers picked Brady as their MVP. When asked why, they said Manning is doing what any good QB would do with a loaded Bronco team, while Brady just keeps on winning with no names who can't catch passes even ones that hit them in the hands. After Brady beat Manning head to head, all 7 of 7 picked Brady as their QB of choice for a single big game. Manning was picked if the game was in great weather, indoors and had no special meaning attached to it. Manning is not clutch, and his 9-11 postseason record is not the record of a truly great QB. Brady's 17-7 record (best all-time) however is. Funny how a guy who does more with less is belittled by the followers of one who does less with more. Manning is very good but he is no Tom Brady and never will be. He throws too many interceptions to be in his class.
Streetrunner

Amityville, NY

#7 Dec 5, 2013
I'll grant you Brady is a very good QB.
Dave

Cypress, CA

#8 Dec 5, 2013
Streetrunner wrote:
I'll grant you Brady is a very good QB.
Very good is an understatement. None better and only Otto Graham and Joe Montana are in the conversation. Peyton serves as fodder so sports writers can line their pockets with cash. Everyone loves a rivalry, even when it doesn't really exist, but it garners patrons and makes money. History will show Peyton as being very good but not in Brady's class. And unless Peyton can get another SB win, maybe not in Roethlisberger's class. A 9-11 postseason mark is hard to sell as a great QB. But he sure plays well inside a dome or in great weather. A guy here says 9-11 is the epitome of disaster. Never thought of it that way before but it fits him like a cold weather glove.
Team Sport

Miami, FL

#9 Dec 6, 2013
Dave wrote:
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And unless Peyton can get another SB win, maybe not in Roethlisberger's class.
So, that way Peyton could match that one SB performance where Roethlisberger "won" the game with a passer rating of around 20?

Peyton vs Brady is a healthy debate. Peyton vs Roethlisberger is a joke. Comparing SB wins is comparing teams, not just QBs.

Trent Dilfer and Peyton both have the same number of SB "wins". Yet Dilfer as a QB wasn't fit to wash Peyton's jock strap. Eli has more SB "wins" than Peyton. Who in their right mind would pick Eli over Peyton?
Janitor

Cypress, CA

#11 Dec 6, 2013
Team Sport wrote:
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So, that way Peyton could match that one SB performance where Roethlisberger "won" the game with a passer rating of around 20?
Peyton vs Brady is a healthy debate. Peyton vs Roethlisberger is a joke. Comparing SB wins is comparing teams, not just QBs.
Trent Dilfer and Peyton both have the same number of SB "wins". Yet Dilfer as a QB wasn't fit to wash Peyton's jock strap. Eli has more SB "wins" than Peyton. Who in their right mind would pick Eli over Peyton?
You asked who, and the answer is the Giants and they would be right to. Eli got them two SB wins, more than Peyton got anybody. Peyton is a thoroghbred. He only runs well on a perfect tract (I.e. warm, dome, or altitude settings). Throw in some wind and rain and cold weather and he is less than average.
Bet you'd like to wear Peyton's jock strap. Anybody else's you got in mind? Peyton is a specialist. Not an all-around QB. The best QBs can play in any situation or weather condition. Peyton cannot.
Taking your idea that SBs are comparing teams not just QBs a bit deeper: Stats are comparing offenses and not just QBs. Peyton has always had the best receivers, best weather conditions (dome play), and now altitude, so should have crushed the competition stat wise yet he hasn't opened up the substantial lead he should have over a kid who plays in the cold windy Northeastern part of the country who had no name receivers. Peyton is a creation of the media based on their need to have rivalries to sell copy. Yet at 4-10 vs Brady and a 9-11 postseason record, his performance in "big games" is mediocre at best. If comparing Roethlisberger to Peyton is a joke then comparing Peyton to Brady is a bigger one.
Janitor

Cypress, CA

#12 Dec 8, 2013
With Gronk out maybe now Peyton can hang a loss on Brady come playoff tome.
Although even with Gronk out early due to injury today, Brady had to regroup at halftime and with limited receiving assets, pull a David Copperfield to get the win. Needing two TDs in a little over a minute, Brady got the job done. Without Brady the Pats would rival the 0-16 Lions. Someone needs to tell Kraft to get some receivers for Brady and a CB or two to help Talb. Belichick may be a great Coordinator but needs serious help in building a team. Brady may be the best but even he needs someone to catch his passes. And after he pulls off the miracle he needs a defense that doesn't give it right back.
Brady Bunch

Miami, FL

#13 Dec 9, 2013
Janitor wrote:
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You asked who, and the answer is the Giants and they would be right to. Eli got them two SB wins, more than Peyton got anybody. Peyton is a thoroghbred. He only runs well on a perfect tract (I.e. warm, dome, or altitude settings). Throw in some wind and rain and cold weather and he is less than average.
Bet you'd like to wear Peyton's jock strap. Anybody else's you got in mind? Peyton is a specialist. Not an all-around QB. The best QBs can play in any situation or weather condition. Peyton cannot.
Taking your idea that SBs are comparing teams not just QBs a bit deeper: Stats are comparing offenses and not just QBs. Peyton has always had the best receivers, best weather conditions (dome play), and now altitude, so should have crushed the competition stat wise yet he hasn't opened up the substantial lead he should have over a kid who plays in the cold windy Northeastern part of the country who had no name receivers. Peyton is a creation of the media based on their need to have rivalries to sell copy. Yet at 4-10 vs Brady and a 9-11 postseason record, his performance in "big games" is mediocre at best. If comparing Roethlisberger to Peyton is a joke then comparing Peyton to Brady is a bigger one.
The Pats had top 5 defenses in their SB wins w/Brady...did Brady play on Defense too? Get off Brady's nutsack....that's what he's got Gisele for.
Janitor

Cypress, CA

#14 Dec 9, 2013
Brady Bunch wrote:
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The Pats had top 5 defenses in their SB wins w/Brady...did Brady play on Defense too? Get off Brady's nutsack....that's what he's got Gisele for.
You can't have it both ways. If Pats spent their CAP to build a strong defense and Indy spent theirs to build a strong offense, then Peyton should be way ahead of Brady in yards per game, TDs per game, points per game etc.and at least be even in winning percentage and SB victories. He is not. The reason is, Brady did with no names what Manning did with Hall of Famers. And he did it in the cold and wind of Foxboro while Peyton was in a windless, temperature controlled dome. This year is a good example, no offensive support and still head to head Brady beats Manning as he has 10 out of 14 times. Also take note, earlier this year Manning got credit for two TDs that were incomplete passes while Brady had a TD against the Bengals taken away. Belichick should have challenged but didn't. Then add in the penalty that wasn't called on the Jets the three times they did it (push in the back of own players during FG attempts), yet called for the first time in NFL history on the Pats that stole a game from the Pats and the pass interference call in the Panthers game that went away despite being called in over a dozen other similar instances because two refs teamed up against the ref who called it. Simply put, the fix is in, because the league knows Brady does more with less so they massage the calls to get their desired outcome. Even the year Belichick went for it in the playoffs against Indy on 4th and two, notice the ball was caught and was passed the first down marker yet pushed back to steal a game away from Brady and for Manning. When you check the tapes it clear to see the NFL decides who wins. Wouldn't be surprised to find out that Gronks injury was planned. Possibly wasn't but all things considered, it's clear the league has the power to decide who wins.
Brady Bunch

Miami, FL

#15 Dec 9, 2013
Janitor wrote:
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You can't have it both ways. If Pats spent their CAP to build a strong defense and Indy spent theirs to build a strong offense, then Peyton should be way ahead of Brady in yards per game, TDs per game, points per game etc.and at least be even in winning percentage and SB victories. He is not. The reason is, Brady did with no names what Manning did with Hall of Famers. And he did it in the cold and wind of Foxboro while Peyton was in a windless, temperature controlled dome. This year is a good example, no offensive support and still head to head Brady beats Manning as he has 10 out of 14 times. Also take note, earlier this year Manning got credit for two TDs that were incomplete passes while Brady had a TD against the Bengals taken away. Belichick should have challenged but didn't. Then add in the penalty that wasn't called on the Jets the three times they did it (push in the back of own players during FG attempts), yet called for the first time in NFL history on the Pats that stole a game from the Pats and the pass interference call in the Panthers game that went away despite being called in over a dozen other similar instances because two refs teamed up against the ref who called it. Simply put, the fix is in, because the league knows Brady does more with less so they massage the calls to get their desired outcome. Even the year Belichick went for it in the playoffs against Indy on 4th and two, notice the ball was caught and was passed the first down marker yet pushed back to steal a game away from Brady and for Manning. When you check the tapes it clear to see the NFL decides who wins. Wouldn't be surprised to find out that Gronks injury was planned. Possibly wasn't but all things considered, it's clear the league has the power to decide who wins.
The fix is in allright....in the Pats FAVOR. Just ask the Fins and now the Browns.

So, all those road games Peyton played were in domes too?

Don't kid yourself....Brady had plenty of offensive weapons early on as well. Now he has had a declining few offensive weapons around him(without Gronk, hardly any right now).....hence no recent SB wins. Brady and Peyton both need a good team around them to win, same as any QB you can name. The only question is how good, and nearly always the answer is very good.
Janitor

Cypress, CA

#16 Dec 10, 2013
Brady Bunch wrote:
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The fix is in allright....in the Pats FAVOR. Just ask the Fins and now the Browns.
So, all those road games Peyton played were in domes too?
Don't kid yourself....Brady had plenty of offensive weapons early on as well. Now he has had a declining few offensive weapons around him(without Gronk, hardly any right now).....hence no recent SB wins. Brady and Peyton both need a good team around them to win, same as any QB you can name. The only question is how good, and nearly always the answer is very good.
I guess I'll just have to kid myself then. Can't see any quality receivers save Moss and the Brady created Welker in Brady's past.
And given that Peyton has played well over 100 more games in a dome than most other QBs gives him an enormous advantage statwise, not to mention having Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and company for over a decade. No doubt Manning is exceptional but given his better receivers, a windless fast track to play on, he should be way ahead of every other QB. Unfortunately for him Brady and Bree's kept pace. Bree's also plays in a dome, but Brady plays in the cold, windy, rainy northeast which makes his accomplishments all that more remarkable and the clearcut winner as far as QBs go. Love Manning, funny, self deprecating good technician in good weather but not the QB Brady is. Even lost to a decimated Pats team this year head to head after being spotted 24 point lead. Sorry Peyton is excellent but just not in the Brady conversation. Would love to see what would happen if their roles were reversed. Brady in Denver would decimate, Manning in New England would implode. Totally different mental makeup.
Brady Bunch

Miami, FL

#17 Dec 11, 2013
Janitor wrote:
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I guess I'll just have to kid myself then. Can't see any quality receivers save Moss and the Brady created Welker in Brady's past.
And given that Peyton has played well over 100 more games in a dome than most other QBs gives him an enormous advantage statwise, not to mention having Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and company for over a decade. No doubt Manning is exceptional but given his better receivers, a windless fast track to play on, he should be way ahead of every other QB. Unfortunately for him Brady and Bree's kept pace. Bree's also plays in a dome, but Brady plays in the cold, windy, rainy northeast which makes his accomplishments all that more remarkable and the clearcut winner as far as QBs go. Love Manning, funny, self deprecating good technician in good weather but not the QB Brady is. Even lost to a decimated Pats team this year head to head after being spotted 24 point lead. Sorry Peyton is excellent but just not in the Brady conversation. Would love to see what would happen if their roles were reversed. Brady in Denver would decimate, Manning in New England would implode. Totally different mental makeup.
How can you explain Peyton playing so well this season in a frigid outdoor Denver stadium?
Janitor

Cypress, CA

#18 Dec 12, 2013
Brady Bunch wrote:
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How can you explain Peyton playing so well this season in a frigid outdoor Denver stadium?
Glad you asked.
First he has a monster offensive team behind him, one Tebow led to the playoffs. One would think Peyton could do better than Tebow, unfortunately last year he didn't. Peyton lost at the same point in the season that Tebow did.
Second, check the weather reports, it hasn't been that cold and windy in Denver yet.
Third, being at altitude gives the home team a clear cut advantage that benefits them as opposing players get winded in the second half.
Lastly, Peyton knowing his stats suck from a historical viewpoint when playing in the wind and will do everything to throw short passes, screens to avoid continuing bad stats. And with his monster offense he will get away with it. Again, historically Peyton played more than 100 more games in a windless, temperature controlled dome while other QBs like brother Eli, Big Ben, Flacco and Brady play in the wind and cold which only serves to facilitates much better stats for Peyton. His pressuring Indy for an offensive heavy team at the expense of the defense also explains why his stats are so so far ahead of most. The fact that Brady had far less offensive support and less conducive conditions to run up big numbers only goes to show how much better Brady is.
Despite the near perfect conditions Peyton played in, he still managed to throw 32% more interceptions per game than Brady. This should be enough for you to see the difference between them. If not, then the additional subtleties which point to Brady will pass you by.
Brady Bunch

Miami, FL

#19 Dec 12, 2013
Janitor wrote:
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Second, check the weather reports, it hasn't been that cold and windy in Denver yet.
Say what? It was in the teens during last Sunday's Broncos game in Denver.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl...

Furthermore, in that game, "Manning's 39 completions set a team record. His 59 attempts matched a franchise high."
Janitor

Cypress, CA

#20 Dec 12, 2013
Brady Bunch wrote:
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Say what? It was in the teens during last Sunday's Broncos game in Denver.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl...
Furthermore, in that game, "Manning's 39 completions set a team record. His 59 attempts matched a franchise high."
It's not the temperature alone that hampers Peyton but the wind chill and how the wind affects his thrown ball. His arm strength though good is not great. In windy games and especially cold windy games which gives a wind chill factor below his comfort level he has performed poorly, historically. Doesn't mean he can't have a few good games in bad weather, just that his trend is poor as shown by his career averages. And like physics tells us, players who live and train at altitude have a distinct advantage over those who do not. Jaws on PTI today said that QBs that take care of the ball and don't throw INTs have a far superior winning percentage over those who do. Now look at Peyton's 32% greater INT rate over Brady and its clear why Brady has a better win percentage and more rings. Throwing the INT makes one a lesser QB. Advantage Brady and with lesser offensive support personnel. Big advantage Brady.
Dave

Cypress, CA

#21 Dec 12, 2013
With the most recent loss of the Peyton led Broncos to San Diego, Brady's Pats have taken over the number one seed. How can a decimated Pats team be ahead of a powerhouse like the Broncos? Answer, Brady. Despite all the fat stats Peyton has with his much better offense, it's Brady who has taken his rag tag team to the number one position. Let's see how long he can hold on to it witout Gronk or any good receivers. Irregardless, this shows that Brady is the real MVP. Too bad all the sports writers like Peyton and go for form over substance. I agree that if Brady and Manning switched teams the Pats would be a losing team and the Broncos undefeated. It wasn't even that cold in Denver tonight and the wind was of no consequence and Manning still couldn't get it together. Looks like Seattle will be raising the SB trophy.

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