Boland: Turning around Jets shouldn't be that hard

There are 20 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 2, 2009, titled Boland: Turning around Jets shouldn't be that hard. In it, Newsday reports that:

When Jets owner Woody Johnson and general manager Mike Tannenbaum spoke to the media Monday to announce the firing of Eric Mangini , they forgot they were speaking to their fans as well.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Newsday.

First Prev
of 3
Next Last
MVP

Niceville, FL

#1 Jan 2, 2009
It's going to be a lot harder if these players don't stop ripping their QB in the papers causing the existing fractures in the team to grow even wider. So what if they had a guy that took them to dinner last year, they finished 4-12 but I guess they already forgot that. There's plenty of blame to go around for what happened at the end this year too, Thomas Jones only ran for 23 yards in the Miami game, so somebody should rip on him in the papers for that? Keller dropped a TD in the same game. Coles dropping 4th down passes in Seattle. And what happened to the defense down the stretch? The backup QB's from the 49er's and Seahawks completed ~75% of their passes, what's that all about? Sure there's talent on this team, we saw that when they beat Tennessee on the road to give them their first loss, but obviously they don't like one another and with the media fanning the flames it's creating a situation that most coaches aren't going to be interested in. And who could blame them, I'm barely even interested anymore.
LetsPlay2

United States

#2 Jan 2, 2009
The Jets "earned some good will from their fans" by declaring their interest in Cowher? Big deal. What coach-less team wouldn't? And any of that perceived "good will" was immediately negated by the announcement that the team wanted Favre back - thus shooting themselves in the foot by causing any candidates serious concerns right off the bat. Concerns don't get any more serious than QB problems. But this is typical for the Jets. And the decision by the suddenly conspicuous owner to retain Tannenbaum was, and is, another roadblock to the HC of their choice. In their search for a coach, the Jets have left themselves wide open for deep humiliation as the potential for rejection by all preferred candidates looms large - especially with openings in less pressure-cooker situations exist such as Denver and Cleveland. They could end up with a default "selection", a fitting ending for this hapless organization.

“I'm down with F&P, ”

Since: Aug 07

Toronto

#3 Jan 2, 2009
MVP wrote:
It's going to be a lot harder if these players don't stop ripping their QB in the papers causing the existing fractures in the team to grow even wider. So what if they had a guy that took them to dinner last year, they finished 4-12 but I guess they already forgot that. There's plenty of blame to go around for what happened at the end this year too, Thomas Jones only ran for 23 yards in the Miami game, so somebody should rip on him in the papers for that? Keller dropped a TD in the same game. Coles dropping 4th down passes in Seattle. And what happened to the defense down the stretch? The backup QB's from the 49er's and Seahawks completed ~75% of their passes, what's that all about? Sure there's talent on this team, we saw that when they beat Tennessee on the road to give them their first loss, but obviously they don't like one another and with the media fanning the flames it's creating a situation that most coaches aren't going to be interested in. And who could blame them, I'm barely even interested anymore.
if you're trying to apologize away bretts play this year, it falls on deaf ears
Sam Champion

United States

#4 Jan 2, 2009
"Happy New Year" ! Here's to forty more years of disappointment...
Pearls before Swine

White Plains, NY

#5 Jan 2, 2009
Wasn't Joe Namath great!
Long Island Gal

Hillsborough, NC

#6 Jan 2, 2009
Shove have kept Mangini and dumped Favre.
45 year jets fan

Valencia, CA

#7 Jan 2, 2009
the owners change, the stadiums change, the players change,
the coaches change.....the only thing that remains the same is the lack of championships.
LetsPlay2

United States

#8 Jan 2, 2009
"Good will" Jets continued...

Assuming Spagnuolo and Shanahan are at the top of the Jets' search list, what is the likelihood that they will emerge from their interviews -Shanahan has yet to indicate his interest- with their interest intact? Remember, it will be Tannenbaum and Johnson, for the most part, presiding - a precarious setting before they even sit down. Spagnuolo, with the Broncos' opening in mind and with their solid football heritage, could well opt for the less controversial setting away from the Meadowlands. Shanahan, at this stage of his career, might have no interest whatsoever in getting involved with this franchise, its management, its mediocrity. This might play out like a football version of "As The World Turns".
charleyjet

United States

#9 Jan 2, 2009
Eric, you have way more confidence in those two bumblers than is justified by the history. And any prospective coach who had the opportunity to look at Jets game films of the last five games who would even entertain bringing back Favre should be disqualified based on that alone.
IRA

United States

#10 Jan 2, 2009
Erik, I acouldn't agree with you more. This team will bounce back just fine depending on who they hire as the HC. I still think the Cowher thing is not dead yet. I want a proven HC. Since Woody has owned the team he has had 3 HC's with no HC experience. Time to go with a former HC. If Shanahan turns them down my darkhorse is Callahan.
mr stretch

United States

#11 Jan 2, 2009
This team needs a butt-kicking head coach to straighten it out. One like Tom Coughlin mid-to-late 90's. The reason teams like the Jets, Mets, and Knicks dont succeed is because the head coach does not hold players personally responsible for their lack of good play, their hustle,execution, and having the head in the game. When the other team is driving down the field or court, scoring at will, you DONT want to see players just walking around, and a head coach on the sideline with his arms folded, and doing nothing more.
Buddy Ryan

United States

#12 Jan 2, 2009
Hire Rex or I'll punch out Tannenbaum!!!
Go Jets

Edison, NJ

#13 Jan 2, 2009
Good article. Nice to hear some positive thoughts from a New York sportswriter for a change. The Jets have a lot of talent. They played poorly down the stretch, but a lot of that could be related to Favres injury. If they can get a good coach, they will have a good chance to contend next year as they will again have the third place schedule.
Jeff

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Jan 2, 2009
I just thought of another scenario in this affair.

1. Mangini never a fan of Pennington sees Pennington is by far the best qb he has in training camp and would be forced to start him. However for whatever warped reason, he feels he cannot win with Pennington.

2. Mangini goes to Tannenbaum and pushes him to get Favre at any cost.

3. Tannenbaum goes to Johnson who tells him by all means. After all, we have all these PSL's to sell.

4. The deal is consumated and of course as part of it, Tannenbaum in his total incompetence thinks Pennington will sign with Minnesota but he signs with the Dolphins. Big deal, Tannenbaum and Mangini tell Johnson. Miami won one game last year and maybe will win 5 this year. Pennington is not capable of leading them any further.

Well we know what happened.

The season is winding down and Favre is stinking up the joint while Pennington is doing what he is doing.

Woody Johnson comes back to Tannenbaum

4. I thought you told me Pennington was a has been or even worse a never was. How come he's doing so well with Miami and we're paying $13 million for Favre while Pennington was getting $6 million. Do you guys know what you're doing?

5. Tannenbaum throws Mangini under the bus saying the coach had told him they could never win with Pennington and that he was not for the trade but gave in to Mangini. No mention is made of his incompetence in allowing Pennington to go to a division rival.

6. Johnson and Tannenbaum seeing the feelings of the fans decide that Mangini has to go. After all Mangini was the one who cost them $7 million by not properly using Pennington.

Result is Monday's press conference.

How does this scenario sound?
Bristolstreet

Chester, NY

#15 Jan 2, 2009
The more things change.....
2009 finish: Pats, Bills, Fish and guess who.....

Why should long-suffering Jet fans believe otherwise????
Jay

New York, NY

#16 Jan 2, 2009
this article is a bit of a stretch. they'll have cap issues not to mention who plays QB if favre leaves.
Marty Glickman

United States

#17 Jan 2, 2009
Jeff wrote:
I just thought of another scenario in this affair.
1. Mangini never a fan of Pennington sees Pennington is by far the best qb he has in training camp and would be forced to start him. However for whatever warped reason, he feels he cannot win with Pennington.
2. Mangini goes to Tannenbaum and pushes him to get Favre at any cost.
3. Tannenbaum goes to Johnson who tells him by all means. After all, we have all these PSL's to sell.
4. The deal is consumated and of course as part of it, Tannenbaum in his total incompetence thinks Pennington will sign with Minnesota but he signs with the Dolphins. Big deal, Tannenbaum and Mangini tell Johnson. Miami won one game last year and maybe will win 5 this year. Pennington is not capable of leading them any further.
Well we know what happened.
The season is winding down and Favre is stinking up the joint while Pennington is doing what he is doing.
Woody Johnson comes back to Tannenbaum
4. I thought you told me Pennington was a has been or even worse a never was. How come he's doing so well with Miami and we're paying $13 million for Favre while Pennington was getting $6 million. Do you guys know what you're doing?
5. Tannenbaum throws Mangini under the bus saying the coach had told him they could never win with Pennington and that he was not for the trade but gave in to Mangini. No mention is made of his incompetence in allowing Pennington to go to a division rival.
6. Johnson and Tannenbaum seeing the feelings of the fans decide that Mangini has to go. After all Mangini was the one who cost them $7 million by not properly using Pennington.
Result is Monday's press conference.
How does this scenario sound?
Well written and thought out Jeff but one problem.....Chad's time as Jet was up...Hind Sight is always 20/20!
New Yorker in Florida

Tampa, FL

#18 Jan 2, 2009
Not a horrible article but apparently written by someone that did not watch the last 5 games.
Example: "but the defensive front seven showed signs of being dominant and, under the right direction, probably could be."
Answer: A few running backs with NO major track record rumbled thru (not around, not in-between but thru) the Jets defensive front (carried a couple of them to show them the goal line).
Every QB they faced had time to shout out to the first open receiver "I'll get you next time, the tight end is way more open" before completing yet another 3rd down conversion.
The Jets defense is consistently the most overrated defense in NY sports. In keeping with the idea of bringing back Favre I would suggest we see if Gastineau and Klecko are available. Then we can tell the next coach "sorry but they were here before you".
BTW: One of the reasons Shannahan was let go was because he had parge input on draft and fee-agent selections and his choices did not pan out. So if he comes here on the back end of his career in being able to evaluate who gets the job done I see nothing but another 8-8 season. Cowher has demonstrated that he has a feel for player development. Anyone else may be in over their head asking for that input but I would say that having that feel is key for the coach even if he does not have the authority to choose the players - he needs to know what he has after a couple of weeks of camp. The last coach apparently thought very little of the previous starting QB. This week he can watch him in the playoffs.
New Yorker in Florida

Tampa, FL

#19 Jan 2, 2009
Marty Glickman wrote:
<quoted text>
Well written and thought out Jeff but one problem.....Chad's time as Jet was up...Hind Sight is always 20/20!
Your comments are not wrong in the big picture of it but here is some food for thought:
If Chad's time was up was it because there was a recognition that he could only lead a team so far?
If so then somebody explain what his team is doing at the very top of the AFC East (is this not the position we would hope to be in?). Or is it more of a long term thing (like - we will NEVER win the SUPER BOWL with Chad and it's time to rebuild) If so then please explain dumping Chad for a QB that might only have one good year left in him (apparently not).
That reasoning suggests that the plan was/is to have Brett Favre win a Super Bowl for you in one of his 2 years (if he gets the second year I am prepared to go on record as saying he will not win the SB for the Jets so that I don't have to fall victim to your 20/20 comment).
BTW - some of us did see this coming. I recall a Jet fan posted here (when they were 7-3) that he worried Chad would come in here the last week and help nock the Jets out of the playoffs - he was ridiculed). For some of us it was not hindsight. The QB selection was a major mistake and not because the people that suggested that Chad can not win a SUper Bowl are wrong. It's because what they did about it did not change the current two years and really put a mystery to the QB situation for the future.
compkiller

AOL

#20 Jan 2, 2009
Just what the franchise needs: YET ANOTHER HEADCOACH WITH ZERO HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE....
- charlie winner, lou holtz, walt michaels, joe walton, bruce coslet, pete carrol, rich kotite, herm edwards, mangenious....

Eubank and Parcells.....the only two who were ever head coaches before this moronic franchise hired them

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 3
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Thomas Jones Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Chiefs defeat Cardinals 31-13 (Nov '10) Nov '10 Ronnie 1
News Chiefs will face Jags with NFL's top rushing game (Oct '10) Oct '10 JAX 1
News Johnson's last-minute TD gives Texans win (Oct '10) Oct '10 OFS 1
News Chiefs Improve to 2-0 (Sep '10) Sep '10 kcchiefs fan 1
News Chiefs host Chargers in Monday night coming out... (Sep '10) Sep '10 Go Marty 15
News Charles Still Not Sure About Role with Chiefs (Aug '10) Aug '10 etters80 3
News Chiefs QB Matt Cassel Putting Pressure on Himself (Aug '10) Aug '10 Sir Thinksalot 7
More from around the web