fantastic in the th

fantastic in the th

There are 55 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Nov 25, 2008, titled fantastic in the th. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

If the Ravens finish the season the way they've been finishing games, they should be considered Super Bowl contenders.

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Rob

Las Vegas, NV

#41 Nov 26, 2008
Guru wrote:
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First of all, I like Troy Smith's athleticism, but you must have never watched him if you complain about Flacco's accuracy. Troy's arm is erratic, and it's a major reason that he was a 5th round draft pick. Every QB misses sometimes and Flacco is no exception, but he's on target more often than Troy. He also has the arm strength to connect on out patterns and comebacks that would be interceptions if thrown by most other QB's.
Secondly, the Ravens didn't make a mistake by not drafting a cornerback. They traded for Washington and signed Frank Walker. The secondary has only been an issue in the Colts game. The Steelers beat us on little dump offs to Mewelde Moore that Bart Scott couldn't cover. A rookie defensive back wouldn't have helped. And the Titans' last drive was pressure-free. Collins had all day to throw the ball. Again, a rookie DB wouldn't have helped.
Finally, it's asanine to say that the Ravens would have beaten the Steelers and the Titans if Troy Smith started. You have absolutely no facts to back that up. It's pure speculation. It holds no more credibility than if I declared that the Ravens would have won the Superbowl last year if Haloti Ngata started at quarterback. There's no basis for it.
The Ravens have one of the best front offices in football. If you're a fan, you should be thankful for it. If you want to see dysfunction, start following the Browns, Bengals, or Lions.
The steelers beat the Ravens on the strength of woodley knocking the ball out of Flacco's hand while he stood there holding the ball and day dreaming....... and by Fabian washington not being able to keep up with Santonio Holmes whom after catching his touchdown pass ran over Chris Mcalister before going into the endzone....and most importantly John Harbaugh electing to take the ball in overtime thus putting them in scoring position further complicating the matter by handcuffing a rookie quarterback and givng him 1 inevitable third and long to get the ball out of the opponents scoring territory..... when they probably could not have gotten the ball into scoring territory on their own....why would you gamble on a rookie quarterback being able to get the ball out of your opponents scoring territory when you've had the best run defense perrinially for the last eight years....?Leodis Mckelvin has been the biggest impact player for the Bills this season and would have been a major step in completeing what is now a very good but not complete defense... Samarri Rolle, Chris Mcalister, Frank Walker and Fabian Washington all having been burned By Harrison, Wayne, Holmes, Ward and Edwards....yes he would have been a major asset as opposed to a liabilty like Flacco is at this point.....and Troy Smith is much more accurate than Flacco at this point in both their careers...Smith had trouble throwing some passes short and into the ground but not nearly as occasionaly as Flacco is throwing passes over the heads of and behind his receivers....and just as importantly Flacco is still taking to much time to react...that was never an issue with Smith.
edward keller

Albany, NY

#42 Nov 26, 2008
it looks like the O's are making good moves, the Ravens are going great, now the Sun Paper has to do something about getting rid of Preston, like I refuse to read anything written by him.
Struds

Sterling, VA

#43 Nov 26, 2008
Rob wrote:
<quoted text> The steelers beat the Ravens on the strength of woodley knocking the ball out of Flacco's hand while he stood there holding the ball and day dreaming....... and by Fabian washington not being able to keep up with Santonio Holmes whom after catching his touchdown pass ran over Chris Mcalister before going into the endzone....and most importantly John Harbaugh electing to take the ball in overtime thus putting them in scoring position further complicating the matter by handcuffing a rookie quarterback and givng him 1 inevitable third and long to get the ball out of the opponents scoring territory..... when they probably could not have gotten the ball into scoring territory on their own....why would you gamble on a rookie quarterback being able to get the ball out of your opponents scoring territory when you've had the best run defense perrinially for the last eight years....?Leodis Mckelvin has been the biggest impact player for the Bills this season and would have been a major step in completeing what is now a very good but not complete defense... Samarri Rolle, Chris Mcalister, Frank Walker and Fabian Washington all having been burned By Harrison, Wayne, Holmes, Ward and Edwards....yes he would have been a major asset as opposed to a liabilty like Flacco is at this point.....and Troy Smith is much more accurate than Flacco at this point in both their careers...Smith had trouble throwing some passes short and into the ground but not nearly as occasionaly as Flacco is throwing passes over the heads of and behind his receivers....and just as importantly Flacco is still taking to much time to react...that was never an issue with Smith.
It's true that Flacco did not take care of the ball and that Washington got beat badly.(Fortunately, both have improved.) But there was plenty of blame to share in that game. Your first post seems to focus it entirely on Flacco and that's just not true.

At any rate, if I remember correctly, Smith was still not ready to play at that time due to his illness making your argument a moot point.
Mark

New York, NY

#44 Nov 26, 2008
Moreover, that steelers game was really swung in their favor by Jarret Johnson's bonehead personal foul on Ward. That gave them momentum and a first down which two plays later turned into the play by Holmes. The Steelers were reeling at the point until JJ gave them the shot in the arm. Still lets face it. Flacco is the QB and will be QB until he loses the spot. Troy Smith, unfortunately, lost out on his opportunity when he went down on his illness. Eventually, Flacco was going to get the nod anyway because he is a first round pick. Right now Flacco, is playing well, managing games well, and making plays when they need them most. That is important. The games we have lost Flacco didn't LOSE them which is also important.

Since: Sep 07

United States

#45 Nov 26, 2008
Rob wrote:
It is only the quarterback and cornerback positions that will keep this team from advancing to the playoffs and possibly even beyond....Flacco has improved but over half of his passes are still over or behind his receivers... like the one that bounced off the side of Masons helmet against the Giants and was returned for a touchdwn....the big picture is and always will be that drafting a quarterback with the first pick was terrible decision for this team at this point in time... and virtually assured that another year and another stellar defensive effort would be wasted...and who knows if they'll be any more left in this excellent run defense with Lewis being the catalyst and in his 13th year.....if they had drafted Leodis Mckelvin added another solid corner like a Fabian washington [who has improved] or a Lito sheppad [for example]and used Smith who is stil much more advanced than Flacco or a serviceable veteran, they would not have lost to pissburgh or tennesse and would be in great position to make a serious run at the playoffs.....this was not the time to do what they did....to their credit they are still competitive but obviuosly at a major disadvantage when up againt quality competition...those losses are Ozzie's and company, not their opponents.....they dominated both of those games and still gave them away.Flacco has a great arm and good mobility, but Smith thinks faster.. moves quicker and plays more instinctively which is exactly what this team needs until Cameron can fully develop the offense which he's done a great job of. Cameron ressurected something that had been dead for 8 years......Cameron and Ryan have done great jobs although being overly aggresive and undisciplined against the Giants played right into their hands....the Giants win with fundamentals....you cant be overly aggresive and undisciplined against a team like that...just stay in you gaps.
I think you are wrong about Flacco and Oz. Our Washington is good, Rolle is ok and CMac is gone for the year along with about umpteen other starters. What is amazing is that Oz has drafted enough depth to still keep this team competitive. Flacco was not suppose to be the starter out of the gate because we did not want to undermine his 'development' or confidence. Honestly, it could not have worked out better then it did. He is the QB of the future for this team. He is Mr. Cool. You are right about his passes but that is time and practice. For some reason his development has slowed a little over the last couple of weeks but that timing pattern to Clayton was BEAUTIFUL. I like Clayton and Clayton will be a great receiver like Mason in the future - when they throw him the ball. What is going to kill us going down the stretch this year is the severely damaged O-line. Again, Oz did a great job in getting talent on the O-line. But the injuries are piling up. That, more then anything else, is what is going to hurt us for the remaining part of the year. Not Flacco, not the corners, but the beat up O-line. Also, I think the Giant's loss was more about bad breaks then a 'beating'. Give me a break. We are kicking a feild goal from the 20, blocked and rolls down to our 30. Driving down the field to cut a ten point margin then a pass bounces off the facemask and lands, in stride, to a corner who takes it on in. That was dumb luck, both times.
Struds

Sterling, VA

#46 Nov 26, 2008
RavenKen wrote:
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I think you are wrong about Flacco and Oz. Our Washington is good, Rolle is ok and CMac is gone for the year along with about umpteen other starters. What is amazing is that Oz has drafted enough depth to still keep this team competitive. Flacco was not suppose to be the starter out of the gate because we did not want to undermine his 'development' or confidence. Honestly, it could not have worked out better then it did. He is the QB of the future for this team. He is Mr. Cool. You are right about his passes but that is time and practice. For some reason his development has slowed a little over the last couple of weeks but that timing pattern to Clayton was BEAUTIFUL. I like Clayton and Clayton will be a great receiver like Mason in the future - when they throw him the ball. What is going to kill us going down the stretch this year is the severely damaged O-line. Again, Oz did a great job in getting talent on the O-line. But the injuries are piling up. That, more then anything else, is what is going to hurt us for the remaining part of the year. Not Flacco, not the corners, but the beat up O-line. Also, I think the Giant's loss was more about bad breaks then a 'beating'. Give me a break. We are kicking a feild goal from the 20, blocked and rolls down to our 30. Driving down the field to cut a ten point margin then a pass bounces off the facemask and lands, in stride, to a corner who takes it on in. That was dumb luck, both times.
I think this is a good assessment. One minor disagreement: In my opinion, Flacco's development the past two weeks was not really slowed, but was stymied by severe defensive pressure. That he managed to keep his cool and not make any major blunders under that pressure is a plus, not an indication of moving backwards.
Mark

New York, NY

#47 Nov 26, 2008
Struds wrote:
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I think this is a good assessment. One minor disagreement: In my opinion, Flacco's development the past two weeks was not really slowed, but was stymied by severe defensive pressure. That he managed to keep his cool and not make any major blunders under that pressure is a plus, not an indication of moving backwards.
I agree 100 perent. Flacco has done what you want a young QB to do and that is take what the D is giving you, make your reads and if it is not there throw it away or make a play with your feet. I like Flacco's poise as he seems to get stronger as the game progress. You can't teach that. He has done it for like the past month now. But mostly importantly of all is that the 4 games we have lost were NOT because of him. Flacco will continue to improve and lead the offense so the future of the Ravens look good. Also, McGahee is sorry and needs to be unloaded and soon.
Eagles Fan

Horsham, PA

#48 Nov 26, 2008
Ravens1-SteelerHater wrote:
<quoted text>You wish you had the Ravens don't you?
Nope.

I've grown quite accustomed to my unbridled hatred of the Redskins, Cowboys and Giants to change that for any reason.
Eagles Fan

Horsham, PA

#49 Nov 26, 2008
jon dey wrote:
<quoted text> Didn't the Dolphins have a winning record when we beat them. Why aren't you people giving us credit for giving the Titans and Steelers a run for their money. Early in the season you idiots kept posting that we haven't beat any body with a winning record. Now when we beat some one with a winning record you find some thing else to whine about. If you're pi$$ed off because the Ravens are winning
GET USE TO IT!
The Dolphins? Oh, you mean the same team that had 48 put up on them by the Pats just last week at home? That over 500 team? I guess I shouldn't bring up that their division is playing the AFC West which is,b y far, the worst division in football and could realistically have a 7-9 division winner? That Dolphins team?

I apologize for not saying the Ravens are playoff bound because they spanked Sage Rosenfelds and the Texans. Or when you beat up on Oakland, but got killed by the Colts(who have the same record as the Ravens) and the Giants(who probably will be the NFC representative in the Super Bowl.

I hope you're happy. You've forced me to give props to the Giants.
Mark

New York, NY

#50 Nov 26, 2008
Eagles Fan wrote:
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The Dolphins? Oh, you mean the same team that had 48 put up on them by the Pats just last week at home? That over 500 team? I guess I shouldn't bring up that their division is playing the AFC West which is,b y far, the worst division in football and could realistically have a 7-9 division winner? That Dolphins team?
I apologize for not saying the Ravens are playoff bound because they spanked Sage Rosenfelds and the Texans. Or when you beat up on Oakland, but got killed by the Colts(who have the same record as the Ravens) and the Giants(who probably will be the NFC representative in the Super Bowl.
I hope you're happy. You've forced me to give props to the Giants.
Putting out those stats mean nothing and here is why. When you look at the teams that have beaten us, their teams against record is no better than the ravens with the Giants record being like 41-59 opponents against record. TEN is like 46-53 or something stupid like that as well and PIT record for opponents records is abysmal. You can say the exact same thing for teams. They are beating up on the same teams but no one says anything about that. It's plain and simple: You play who is on your schedule. Saying that Ravens beat "no one" is ridiculous because these "elite" teams have been beating up on the bottom of the barrel too.
Mark

New York, NY

#51 Nov 26, 2008
Here is opponent records for these teams:

Pitts Beaten Opponents Record: 29-45
Tenn : 41-56
NYG : 49-59
Indy : 36-30

It looks like I was off a little on the stats. Only Indy has been playing and beating better teams from what you see here.
jon dey

Canada

#52 Nov 26, 2008
Eagles Fan wrote:
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The Dolphins? Oh, you mean the same team that had 48 put up on them by the Pats just last week at home? That over 500 team? I guess I shouldn't bring up that their division is playing the AFC West which is,b y far, the worst division in football and could realistically have a 7-9 division winner? That Dolphins team?
I apologize for not saying the Ravens are playoff bound because they spanked Sage Rosenfelds and the Texans. Or when you beat up on Oakland, but got killed by the Colts(who have the same record as the Ravens) and the Giants(who probably will be the NFC representative in the Super Bowl.
I hope you're happy. You've forced me to give props to the Giants.
It's the same Dolphin team that lit up the scoreboard against the Pats 38-13 a-- h---!
Paul bleeds Purple

Columbia, MD

#53 Nov 27, 2008
Paul bleeds Purple wrote:
We better get past Pitt. for the division.The Colts have an unbelievably easy last few games & will have the wildcard.Right now it's looking like Ravens vs. Colts in Indy.Bad news!!! Lets finish strong!!!
Okay,I'm correcting myself here.The wildcards don't play each other like a few yrs. ago.Good news!!
Egghead

Ypsilanti, MI

#54 Nov 29, 2008
Ravens_Flock wrote:
It's convenient that the article predicts the Ravens to lose to what it calls the teams two toughest final opponents. How can you say if we play tough the rest of the season, we should be considered Super Bowl contenders, and then turn right around and predict that we're going to lose to supposedly "great" teams? If we can't beat "great" teams, then how the hell are we supposed to make it anywhere in the playoffs?
Point being, we're GOING to beat the Steelers. We owe them, for beating us two years in a row in Pittsburgh, on Monday Night Football. We are not going to let them come into our house and look good. The Steelers the best team in the league? Hardly. If you had said the Giants or Titans, I'd give you some credit, but the Steelers are a much worse team than their record belies. We had them on the ropes for 3 quarters of football earlier this season, we had them beaten, and because of a BS penalty, they got a lucky shot downfield which resulted in a TD, and forced overtime. They were lucky to get the win, in my estimation....if the Ravens hadn't been flagged on shady BS, we would have won that game, of that I have no doubt. The same can be said of the Titans, we had them beaten, in fact they were fighting amongst themselves, all the way till the fourth quarter, when again a ref called a BS penalty on Suggs (who DIDN'T hit Collins in the head), and the next thing you know, boom, Titans win. Lucky them, again. No BS penalty, and no talk whatsoever of the Titans going undefeated, long before the Jets came to town.
The Baltimore Ravens should be at least 9-2 right now, and leading the AFC North. Chances are, we could still end the season winning our division, because the Steelers are not as good as you give them credit for, and with 3 home games, where the Ravens play notoriously well, and 2 road games against teams we SHOULD be able to beat, we could realistically win all of our remaining games. That is not to say we will, we could certainly find a way to lose any one of them, or all of them. But the Cowboys are not the Giants, they do not have the running game NY does, and the Ravens D will not make the same mistakes twice. If we stuff their running game, and contain T.O., the 'Boys are very beatable.
Go Ravens.
The Ravens should have beaten the Steelers and Titans. However, I will not lay the blame on the Officials. Bad Officiating helped, and it was frustrating, but the Ravens Lost, bottom line, because they didn't close out those games.

Since: Feb 07

Baltimore

#55 Dec 3, 2008
Jeff Davis wrote:
<quoted text>In January the Colts will be worn down to a nub. I would rather see them than the Titans. Thats a team who plays us tough everytime.
i see what you are saying, but their passing attack is just too good, and our DBs too bad. i honestly would rather play Titans, i want to play the Titans. we beat them weeks ago if not for a crappy call, and remember 2000? we were the wild card (or maybe won the division, i forget) and went into the "lion's den with a spear and said 'where's the son of a bitch?' " (best quote by Billick ever) and beat a 13-3 supposedly super bowl-bound Titan team in their house. that would happen again. they really don't scare me.

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