Ravens know how to turn out more than a few good linebackers

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And it continues today with rookie linebackers Tavares Gooden and Jameel McClain, who like Lewis weren't the prototypes on the height and weight charts. Full Story
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dyno don

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#41 Nov 1, 2008
Keep Ray.
Make Suggs a good offer.
Push those young LBs to move up as soon as they can.

Oz HAS done a good job with LBs, but he has been weak in a number of other areas - check his record with 2nd round picks.
Be Real

Kyle, TX

#43 Nov 2, 2008
Shudom wrote:
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If Billick had been yelling for that for so long, then why did he keep Kyle Boller in for so long? Better still, why did he hand the job over to Boller his rookie season and ruin any confidence Redman would have after that.
Who was it that drafted Jamaal Brown and Marshal Yanda? Now, who was it that had Jamaal Brown and Marshal Yanda on the bench, but refused to give them playing time until the aging line got so decimated that he had no choice?
Who was it that put up with Cavanaugh's playcalling for all those years and refused to do anything about it because of friendship. Who nearly did the same thing with Fassel? Who, when he finally did come in to take over the playcalling duties, would constantly pass three straight times, starting from first and goal. Who would pass when the game was clutch and we had either Jamal or McGahee back there, during drives that turned out to be 2nd and 2 and 2nd and 1, throwing three times all for not.
Who was it that allowed all of those silly calls that barely got the team close to a first down, on third down?
Sorry, but Ozzie didn't draft the offensive coordinators that plagued this team, they were brought in by Billick's request, speaking of yelling for big play ability.
And why, all of a sudden, we pound it in for six points when we are inside the five. Why now, all of a sudden, the receivers are not running their routes well short of the first down.
Why now, do we have an offense that it actually forcing the defense to remain honest?
And by the way, how many franchises have been waiting since the dawn of man for another Super Bowl championship, and we got one in five years? We need not undervalue that.
And just who are we going to replace this average GM with who has drafted such great talent?
And why is it that when these players leave Baltimore, everyone gets on Oz's case for letting them go, but we never hear from those players again?
He isn't perfect, but there aren't many GMs that have done better than him.
Do you honestly believe he is a top GM? You, like many others, are overvaluing coaching. Do you really think we would have done that much better on offense all those years with any other coach and coordinator in the NFL? Billick was doing all he could with the garbage Ozzie gave him. True, I think Cameron is much more effective, but you are not going anywhere with the likes of Travis Taylor, Elvis Grbac, Kyle Boller, Randy Hymes, Clarence Moore, Ron Johnson. Devard Darling, Kevin Johnson, Tony Banks, Byron Leftwich (who Ozzie wanted to draft). When you get to this level, there's only so much coaching can do. Many of the points you raise about Billick are dead-on, which is why he was evaluated and fired. However, I think it is fascinating that you believe Ozzie is one of the best GMs in football! He has been unable to draft one legit WR and until now acquire a QB that is not a liability (this includes McNair). In terms of playing the younger guys, ALL coaches play the veterans that make all the money or it makes their boss, the GM, look ridiculous. Case and point, McLazee continues to be the top back, not including today because of an injury. Performance-wise he should be the third.
Peej

Atlanta, GA

#44 Nov 3, 2008
Shudom wrote:
Ray Lewis: With Haloti Ngata in front of him now, it's like old times. He is flying to the ball, putting RBs out of commission and still has excellent reflexes. He has several pass deflections already this season, forced a fumble and lit up Winslow that led to an Int.
He is the smartest linebacker in the league, calls excellent audibles on defense and has mentored so many of our great players its rediculous.
IF ANYONE THINKS THAT THIS DEFENSE WILL PLAY AS HARD AS IT HAS THESE PAST EIGHT YEARS WITHOUT RAY LEWIS IN THE MIDDLE, THEY ARE CRAZY PERIOD.
So let's just pay the man his money and move on to other issues.
Suggs, if Suggs truly wants to be here, pay him. He has the skill, is a great pass coverage LB for his size and still draws several double teams. If he can mature and learn to be more cautious of what he says and keep it to simple trash talk, it can't hurt to pay a man like that.
Scott is the obvious odd man out. Scott is a great blitzer, but we have so many young LBs that can blitz its rediculous. He is a complete liability in pass coverage. Once more, he even has less composure than Suggs. This defense seems to be alright without Hartwell, without Thomas and will be just fine without Scott.
Did you notice Ray Lewis giving a pep talk on the sidelines in the 3rd qtr?

Even his teammates call him the best general. As long as he keeps playing at his high level, he will make everyone around him better (and smarter, if they mimic his level of preparation).

Ed Reed tells how he learned to watch film (really watch it, and gleam something useful out of it) from Ray. Now Ed is mentoring the young secondary in the same manner.

It is always good to teach, but when you teach a teacher (Reed), then you have magnified your impact.
Peej

Atlanta, GA

#45 Nov 3, 2008
dyno don wrote:
...Oz HAS done a good job with LBs, but he has been weak in a number of other areas - check his record with 2nd round picks.
If you would check in with the folks around the NFL, they would tell you that the Ravens have an enviable record in the overall draft history.

I personally believe (having followed the Browns since kid-dom and having been in MD when they moved to a city that would appreciate them) that Oz is much better than average.

However, it is a team effort (Owner, GM and Head Coach). The Ravens spent numerous drafts trying to build Billick's Vikings and fitting a square peg into a round hole.

With that, it would have been difficult for anyone to find pass-oriented offensive playmakers.

Now, what do we have?

A head coach who had the courage to change the team's mentality and outlook with a single training camp.

A coaching staff whose coordinators are among the best at what they do (and the HC largely lets them do it).

An offensive coordinator who has gotten more out of the tools at his disposal than ever could have been imagined.

The best D coordinator in the game.

A young, athletic and talented offensive line that is starting to gel as a unit. They still punish defenders in a run game, but also are getting better at pass protection!

A quiet, smart, athletic QB who stays out of the news and makes plays.

A trio of RBs (two young and one "old") who can run, catch and block. It also helps that Neal is on the team and showing these rbs how to be a pro in the NFL.

A D line with arguably the best young tackle in the league surrounded by a number of good veteran players.

Great and good LBs out the wazoo!

A top-notch, but aging secondary, but one with better backups than last year - backups that in a year or two might be good starters.

I would say that the future of this team looks good. I would also say that Owner, GM and HC are reasons why the future is looking good.
No Feathers

Houston, TX

#46 Nov 3, 2008
It was the Browns after all. A team added to the impressive list of wins...

Bengals
Browns X2
Dolphins
Raiders
(Texans) lmao!
Peej

Atlanta, GA

#47 Nov 4, 2008
No Feathers wrote:
It was the Browns after all. A team added to the impressive list of wins...
Bengals
Browns X2
Dolphins
Raiders
(Texans) lmao!
Well, according to league rules, each team on the schedule is entitled to show up and play.

And if they show up, the Ravens have to play them.

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