Bad calls not always black, white

For the second time this season, a heartbreaking Ravens loss was decided, in part, by a controversial call by an official, and enraged and confused Baltimore fans are facing the same harsh reality They just ... Full Story

“The Lombardi Sixpack”

Since: Feb 08

Butler, PA

#21 Dec 16, 2008
Had holding been called even 25% of the time the steelers would have crushed the ravens. When a team holds on both sides of the ball that means they are being outplayed. the Steelers outplayed them up and down the field. props to the ravens punter and punt return guys. they were the best thing about the team that day.
Struds

Woodbridge, VA

#23 Dec 16, 2008
Big Daddy G wrote:
I wish more of you home town experts would read the rules...if the receiver has both feet in the endzone and controls the ball....it is a touchdown!!....this is similar to the rule for downing a punt...no matter where the ball is, if the player's feet are in the endzone the ball goes back to the 20..the replay clearly shows BOTH FEET WERE DOWN.
Now this is day 2.....get a life
This is interesting. Honest question: Before yesterday, did anybody posting here know this rule existed?(Not as it applies to punts.) It is a new one on me, and I'm not sure the game referee understood it either.

At any rate, it changes my view on the call; while I don't believe there was overwhelming or indisputable evidence to overturn the call IF the plane needed to be broken, since it did not, the feet being down and the ball being in possession was enough.

It's really too bad so much focus and time has been spent on this play since it probably didn't affect the winner/loser of the game.
Struds

Woodbridge, VA

#24 Dec 16, 2008
Bob Roberts wrote:
Had holding been called even 25% of the time the steelers would have crushed the ravens. When a team holds on both sides of the ball that means they are being outplayed. the Steelers outplayed them up and down the field. props to the ravens punter and punt return guys. they were the best thing about the team that day.
Come on Bob; are you suggesting Suggs and Pryce weren't held by your side, that it was only the Ravens who held? Missing (or ignoring) holding and other penalty calls is par for the course. Not getting replays correct, is a much worse officiating sin.(I am not referring to the TD replay.)

“The Lombardi Sixpack”

Since: Feb 08

Butler, PA

#25 Dec 16, 2008
Struds wrote:
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Come on Bob; are you suggesting Suggs and Pryce weren't held by your side, that it was only the Ravens who held? Missing (or ignoring) holding and other penalty calls is par for the course. Not getting replays correct, is a much worse officiating sin.(I am not referring to the TD replay.)
I'm not saying that holding doesn't happen all the time. I'm saying that if I'm seeing holding, and I look for it on both sides, then it's really happening a lot and not being called. We got flagged for a couple on runs and you guys didn't get flagged at all. someone was messing up big time.
mike

Hagerstown, MD

#26 Dec 16, 2008
I watched the Steelers game with Troy Palomalo's touchdown on the botched lateral. I said he was robbed at the time it was reviewed. Should the NFL go back and correct it. Yes it was at the end of regulation. Will they No. It will stay as called even though it is wrong. Millions of dollars gambled on football every game. The spread is the method. Can it be controlled by missed or incorrect calls? Who is allowed to bet on football? Where is the line drawn. Players, Refs, coaches -no , thier relatives? Are the owners or thier family members allowed to bet on the games?
GovernmentWaste

Salt Lake City, UT

#27 Dec 16, 2008
Refs suk big time.
Toooooo much money involved for them NOT to be on the take!
Harry and the Hendersons

Washington, DC

#28 Dec 16, 2008
From the NFL Rulebook:

A touchdown is the biggest single score in a football game. It is worth six points, and it allows the scoring team an opportunity to attempt to get an extra point. To score a touchdown, the ball must be carried across the goal line into the end zone, caught in the end zone, or a fumble recovered in the end zone, or an untouched kickoff recovered in the end zone by the kicking team.

http://accuscore.com/nfl/articles/nfl-deviant...

Since: Jun 08

Ellicott City, Maryland

#29 Dec 16, 2008
cre0530 wrote:
The ref's finally got one right during that game. The replay clearly shows the ball breaking the plane while the receiver had control and both feet down. The only legit score for the ravens was from the recovered fumble. The other field goals were a result of the ref's help with the blatent holding on Harrison and Woodley that weren't called the entire game. However the Steeler's drives were stopped more often than not by the ref's than the raven's defense. Bogus holding calls which replay clearly showed didn't happen and illegal contact on Ward and Holmes weren't called as they should have been. If there would have been an officiating crew there which didn't favor the raven's so much the final score would have been closer to Steeler's 27 raven's 3.
Steelers fan

Since: Jun 08

Ellicott City, Maryland

#30 Dec 16, 2008
Bob Roberts wrote:
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But it was the case and it was called correctly. your opinion is no doubt shared by a lot of bmore homers but it's a wrong opinion. the ball clearly broke the plane. it doesn't matter how far it breaks the plane it just has to break it. A close call but a correct call. tough luck for the ravens.
Weren't you the same guy who was claiming that the ball didn't need to break the plane??? Yes, you were. No, the ball did not clearly break the plane. The call on the field should have stood even if it was a TD, b/c the replay was inconclusive either way. Admitting that doesn't change a thing, but as a Steelers fan, you are wearing blinders.

Since: Jun 08

Ellicott City, Maryland

#31 Dec 16, 2008
Bob Roberts wrote:
Had holding been called even 25% of the time the steelers would have crushed the ravens. When a team holds on both sides of the ball that means they are being outplayed. the Steelers outplayed them up and down the field. props to the ravens punter and punt return guys. they were the best thing about the team that day.
Stop whining and exaggerating. The Steelers did not outplay them on both sides of the ball. If that were the case, the Steelers wouldn't have taken the lead for the first time with 43 seconds left. It's posts like that which discredit your opinion that the ball "clearly" crossed the plane. If the ball clearly crossed the plane it wouldn't have been such a hot and controversial topic and this thread wouldn't exist.

“The Lombardi Sixpack”

Since: Feb 08

Butler, PA

#32 Dec 16, 2008
AngryDragon84 wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop whining and exaggerating. The Steelers did not outplay them on both sides of the ball. If that were the case, the Steelers wouldn't have taken the lead for the first time with 43 seconds left. It's posts like that which discredit your opinion that the ball "clearly" crossed the plane. If the ball clearly crossed the plane it wouldn't have been such a hot and controversial topic and this thread wouldn't exist.
get over girly, your team lost. and yes the ball did clearly cross the plane. I've seen it now many times and it's as plain as the makeup on your face. Now move AngryDragQueen you're whining is pathetic at best.

“The Lombardi Sixpack”

Since: Feb 08

Butler, PA

#33 Dec 16, 2008
AngryDragon84 wrote:
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Weren't you the same guy who was claiming that the ball didn't need to break the plane??? Yes, you were. No, the ball did not clearly break the plane. The call on the field should have stood even if it was a TD, b/c the replay was inconclusive either way. Admitting that doesn't change a thing, but as a Steelers fan, you are wearing blinders.
you weren't in the booth, the ref is looking at high def in slow motion. the league also looked at the same tapes and came up with the same conclusion. losing is tough but not as tough as wearing high heels right AngryDragQueen84? hang in there no doubt you've been through worse.

“Obama lied and freedom died!”

Since: Sep 07

Warren, Ohio

#34 Dec 16, 2008
Bob Roberts wrote:
<quoted text>
you weren't in the booth, the ref is looking at high def in slow motion. the league also looked at the same tapes and came up with the same conclusion. losing is tough but not as tough as wearing high heels right AngryDragQueen84? hang in there no doubt you've been through worse.
Bob, stop arguing with these fools. It don't matter what you say they won't here it.

They will still be crying about this game years from now and probably still losing to the STEELERS!

Since: Jun 08

Ellicott City, Maryland

#35 Dec 16, 2008
Bob Roberts wrote:
<quoted text>
you weren't in the booth, the ref is looking at high def in slow motion. the league also looked at the same tapes and came up with the same conclusion. losing is tough but not as tough as wearing high heels right AngryDragQueen84? hang in there no doubt you've been through worse.
The AngryDragQueen jokes do nothing but indicate that I hurt your feelings when making fun of the city that all of you Steelers fans are so proud of that you left. The problem is, what I said is insulting for a lot of people b/c it's true. In contrast, your insults are comparable to 5th graders laughing at a name that sounds like a naughty word. I can't help but laugh.

Since: Jun 08

Ellicott City, Maryland

#36 Dec 16, 2008
Bob Roberts wrote:
<quoted text>
you weren't in the booth, the ref is looking at high def in slow motion. the league also looked at the same tapes and came up with the same conclusion. losing is tough but not as tough as wearing high heels right AngryDragQueen84? hang in there no doubt you've been through worse.
You weren't in the booth either, so why are you so convinced? Don't give me that crap that the NFL backed the official up. It's rare that they don't back them up and you were spewing your nonsense before the NFL said anything.

“The Lombardi Sixpack”

Since: Feb 08

Butler, PA

#37 Dec 16, 2008
AngryDragon84 wrote:
<quoted text>
The AngryDragQueen jokes do nothing but indicate that I hurt your feelings when making fun of the city that all of you Steelers fans are so proud of that you left. The problem is, what I said is insulting for a lot of people b/c it's true. In contrast, your insults are comparable to 5th graders laughing at a name that sounds like a naughty word. I can't help but laugh.
Wrong again girly. I can't remember anything you posted that was even irritating let alone maddening. It's just that your homer posts are so dumb I can't help but needle you.
But laugh you should because it's a really funny play on your silly screen name! But just remember AngryDragQueen84, us steeler regulars are not laughing with you...we're laughing at you! lol. hang around you make a good foil for us football fans.
Harry and the Hendersons

Washington, DC

#38 Dec 16, 2008
I wouldn't say it "clearly" crossed the goal line. I would say it probably crossed. I think AngryDragon is right...if it was "clearly" across the line then there would be no debate. I'd be the first to admit if this happened against my team, I'd be ready start the angry mob with pitchforks and torches. The fans have a right to be pissed off. It's the players and coaches who need to just STFU and worry about the next game. And to their credit, they have mostly done that.

PS.

I'm a Steelers fan.

“The Lombardi Sixpack”

Since: Feb 08

Butler, PA

#39 Dec 16, 2008
AngryDragon84 wrote:
<quoted text>
You weren't in the booth either, so why are you so convinced? Don't give me that crap that the NFL backed the official up. It's rare that they don't back them up and you were spewing your nonsense before the NFL said anything.
let it go...just let it go...soon you'll be crying your eyes out and you know what that does to your mascara! lol.

“The Lombardi Sixpack”

Since: Feb 08

Butler, PA

#40 Dec 16, 2008
jinx-ur-team wrote:
<quoted text>
Bob, stop arguing with these fools. It don't matter what you say they won't here it.
They will still be crying about this game years from now and probably still losing to the STEELERS!
even next season they'll be squawking...that's what birds do. Ok moving on to the titans. They just lost their stud DT to a knee injury. I predict that our running game will finally get in gear.
DMM

Annapolis, MD

#41 Dec 16, 2008
cre0530 wrote:
The ref's finally got one right during that game. The replay clearly shows the ball breaking the plane while the receiver had control and both feet down. The only legit score for the ravens was from the recovered fumble. The other field goals were a result of the ref's help with the blatent holding on Harrison and Woodley that weren't called the entire game. However the Steeler's drives were stopped more often than not by the ref's than the raven's defense. Bogus holding calls which replay clearly showed didn't happen and illegal contact on Ward and Holmes weren't called as they should have been. If there would have been an officiating crew there which didn't favor the raven's so much the final score would have been closer to Steeler's 27 raven's 3.
Shouldn't your name be CRY0530! You won the game, but are whinning about the officials, incredible! And you Steeler fans complain about Ravens fans! Shut up and take your win like a man, as the ravens are doing with the loss.

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