Bad calls not always black, white

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For the second time this season, a heartbreaking Ravens loss was decided, in part, by a controversial call by an official, and enraged and confused Baltimore fans are facing the same harsh reality They just ...
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phish

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Dec 16, 2008
 
That being said... still didn't see enough to overturn the call on the field!

!!!!!!!!!!GO RAVENS!!!!!!!!!!
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Dec 16, 2008
 
Agree with phish. If we are playing by the rules, one of the rules is that the video evidence needs to clearly indicated the call on the field was wrong. That was NOT the case of Sunday and the play should not have been overturned. Truth is I never saw a shot across the goal line that would have given you the view the official had who ruled initially on the play. If the referee had no better footage than we saw on home TV, the play should have stood. As to the supervisor agreeing? Of course, in this ethicsless society he agreed. More important to cover his official's butt than to tell the truth.

But, the rest of the truth is Ryan should have his head bashed for playing the stupid defense that allowed the 92 yards. All day he called a defense that allowed the Steelers nothing. Then he changed the approach just in time to give the game away. The play in question should never have occurred if the Ravens coaching staff had done it job!

Since: Jul 08

Cockeysville, MD

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#3
Dec 16, 2008
 
Nice, "politically correct", and fine saving answer Coach!
Dan eastern shore

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#4
Dec 16, 2008
 
Amen to Harbaugh.Why put the refs in charge at the end?Rush more than 3 linemen next game saving series and see what happens(?)Can't be worse than results from Tenn. and Pitt.
nekyami

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#5
Dec 16, 2008
 
Go NFL.com . There are multiple angles of the play that were not shown on the TV replays.
cre0530

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#6
Dec 16, 2008
 
The ref's finally got one right during that game. The replay clearly shows the ball breaking the plane while the receiver had control and both feet down. The only legit score for the ravens was from the recovered fumble. The other field goals were a result of the ref's help with the blatent holding on Harrison and Woodley that weren't called the entire game. However the Steeler's drives were stopped more often than not by the ref's than the raven's defense. Bogus holding calls which replay clearly showed didn't happen and illegal contact on Ward and Holmes weren't called as they should have been. If there would have been an officiating crew there which didn't favor the raven's so much the final score would have been closer to Steeler's 27 raven's 3.
Boston Raven

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#7
Dec 16, 2008
 
The referees gave the Steelers a Super Bowl, so why should we be surprised when they give them a regular season game?

Certan teams get preferential treatment in regards to officiating in the NFL, the Steelers are the most just the most obvious.
Steeler Fan in MD

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#8
Dec 16, 2008
 
Boston Raven, those are just sour grapes. The Steelers have had plenty of bad calls go against them, just like every other team. Its part of the game. I would have liked the game deciding play to have been more clear, but props to the fans that realize that your defense had no business allowing us to march 92 yards on them in less than 3 minutes. Great Game, hopefully next time will be for the AFC Championship. I believe these are the 2 best teams not only in the AFC, but the NFL!
Frank Mazuca

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#9
Dec 16, 2008
 
Quit whining. It s unbecoming of men to cry in the milk accept thef act that for most of your miserable existence YOU ARE NUMBER 2 behind Pittsburgh.
The Ravens...nevermore!!!
Big Daddy G

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#10
Dec 16, 2008
 
I wish more of you home town experts would read the rules...if the receiver has both feet in the endzone and controls the ball....it is a touchdown!!....this is similar to the rule for downing a punt...no matter where the ball is, if the player's feet are in the endzone the ball goes back to the 20..the replay clearly shows BOTH FEET WERE DOWN.

Now this is day 2.....get a life
matt

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#11
Dec 16, 2008
 
Just flat tired of the officiating in the NFL determining the outcome of games. It has been getting progressively worse over the last several years- starting with the ridiculous "tuck rule." Keep it up and you will alienate NFL fans who just want to watch players play and not referees throwing flags.

Now the players play the rules and not the opponent. Just look at wide receivers who are incredulous when a flag isn't thrown for pass interference every time a DB makes a play. The NFL is so flag happy even DBs are looking for offensive PI on plays. QBs have so much protection from the actual physical gameplay, they might as well be wearing red practice jerseys.

Can you imagine Johnny Unitas and the tuck rule existing in the same game? In the same universe? The NFL has taken raw physical passion out of the game and replaced it with a rule book they won't even make publically available.

What do you need to hide NFL? Are you just so embarrased at how thick it is; or maybe you would have trouble explaining your own rules under public scrutiny?

You are taking arguably the best sports product on the market and slowing Bud-Seliging it...

Since: Dec 08

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Dec 16, 2008
 
cre0530 wrote:
The ref's finally got one right during that game. The replay clearly shows the ball breaking the plane while the receiver had control and both feet down. The only legit score for the ravens was from the recovered fumble. The other field goals were a result of the ref's help with the blatent holding on Harrison and Woodley that weren't called the entire game. However the Steeler's drives were stopped more often than not by the ref's than the raven's defense. Bogus holding calls which replay clearly showed didn't happen and illegal contact on Ward and Holmes weren't called as they should have been. If there would have been an officiating crew there which didn't favor the raven's so much the final score would have been closer to Steeler's 27 raven's 3.
There were also two clear examples of defensive pass interference non-calls on the Ravens (one against Washington and one against Holmes) that were drive-killers. Call those and this game might not have been close.
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Dec 16, 2008
 
Refs did not decide this game, that is just not a fair statement. I know the key play was very questionalbe, but come on. There were other calls that were not made, on both sides throughout the game. Things that really decided the game was 1, settling for a field goal when getting 1st and 10 from the Steeler 16 after the Holmes fumble. 2, the inability of the Raven offense to do anything throughout the game. They never truly got close to scoring a TD, and only 80 yards of offense in the 2nd half. 3, the Ravens D giving up the games only real "Drive", after they seeming put the Steelers with their backs to the wall with a great punt downed at the 8 yard line. There were plenty of opportunities out there for both teams. On this day the Steelers were truly the better team. Any true football fan can see that. These teams are prety close to dead even. Maybe a slight edge to the Steelers, as they have found a way to win twice vs Baltimore, but it is very close. Ravens could have just as easily won either or both of those games. I do think they are the 2 best, and look forward to the playoff matchup. It might be the only real football game we get in the playoffs.

Good luck against Dallas on Saturday, but I doubt you will need it.
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Dec 16, 2008
 
Didn't know there was a false start whistle vs Tenn that was superceded because the players did not hear it. HUH??!!? I've never seen a play continue when a whistle is blown - they just blow louder &/or jump into the action. AND, re Sunday's call, was there the absolute reversable evidence (the NFL standard) on the replay tape? Only according to the ref, certainly not unbiased TV analysts. Not being a homer - many other teams have had REALLY bad calls go against them.
I think the refs, when it comes to calls other than false start or incroachment, are interpretively inconsistent and consistently wrong!
RichardinDallas
Mike

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#15
Dec 16, 2008
 
If you want to control the final score or the competiveness of a game. The referees are the only ones who can do it. If you don't want to go into overtime you don't have to. If you choose to call the illegal block in the back on the long return it changes the outcome. Ed reed was being blocked one season on kick blocks by grabbing his face mask it was the only way to slow him down,no flags. Late flags are so common in the ravens stadium its not funny. Ileagel formation and motion flags often come out when the play is over and the players are returning to the huddle.
phil

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Dec 16, 2008
 
Get over it! move on! there's alot of action taking place on the field, and not all of it is being seen by the refs.Ravens just need two play the last two games well enough to make playoffs. Enough said. Let's take a postive to Dallas and kick some butt!
Steeler Fan in MD

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#17
Dec 16, 2008
 
I know a lot of Ravens fans, and I understand the frustration from this game. That said, the complaining about the officiating is ridiculous. I am reading a lot about the game, now you are going back to other games. There is no conspiracy out there to cheat the Ravens and help the Steelers, it is ridiculous. The intelligent fan knows the team that played better on Sunday won. I know many Ravens fans that have said as much. They also know the Ravens are capable of playing better, as a Steeler fan, I say so are the Steelers. Both defenses are great, and will keep our teams in most any game. It sucks that the game ended on a controversial play, but the call was made, probably correct ultimately, thought probably not one that replay should have over-turned. Now its time to focus on the next game. I am quite sure the team is. Disappointed on Sunday, absolutly. Cheated, absoluetly not. They were out played when it counted. Time to learn from it and move on. Fans coming up with wild conspiracy theories on the league out to get the Ravens and help the Steelers, please. Go get the help you need. Nobody is helping anyone in this league, its every team for themselves.
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Dec 16, 2008
 
cre0530 wrote:
The ref's finally got one right during that game. The replay clearly shows the ball breaking the plane while the receiver had control and both feet down. The only legit score for the ravens was from the recovered fumble. The other field goals were a result of the ref's help with the blatent holding on Harrison and Woodley that weren't called the entire game. However the Steeler's drives were stopped more often than not by the ref's than the raven's defense. Bogus holding calls which replay clearly showed didn't happen and illegal contact on Ward and Holmes weren't called as they should have been. If there would have been an officiating crew there which didn't favor the raven's so much the final score would have been closer to Steeler's 27 raven's 3.
Your right about the holding calls,the ravens o line looked like they where in love with harrison, with all the bear hugs they gave him.Also something must be done about the officiating in all the nfl games, its horrible.They must get these guys out of the police lineup.Mr. magoo would do a better job.These guys are part timers regulating the outcome of these multi millon dollar games. The nfl needs pros not part timers. The Steelers are the best this year, but watch out for the giants and titians.I still love the ravens ,GO RAVENS

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Dec 16, 2008
 
Local wrote:
Agree with phish. If we are playing by the rules, one of the rules is that the video evidence needs to clearly indicated the call on the field was wrong. That was NOT the case of Sunday and the play should not have been overturned. Truth is I never saw a shot across the goal line that would have given you the view the official had who ruled initially on the play. If the referee had no better footage than we saw on home TV, the play should have stood. As to the supervisor agreeing? Of course, in this ethicsless society he agreed. More important to cover his official's butt than to tell the truth.
But, the rest of the truth is Ryan should have his head bashed for playing the stupid defense that allowed the 92 yards. All day he called a defense that allowed the Steelers nothing. Then he changed the approach just in time to give the game away. The play in question should never have occurred if the Ravens coaching staff had done it job!
But it was the case and it was called correctly. your opinion is no doubt shared by a lot of bmore homers but it's a wrong opinion. the ball clearly broke the plane. it doesn't matter how far it breaks the plane it just has to break it. A close call but a correct call. tough luck for the ravens.

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Dec 16, 2008
 
cre0530 wrote:
The ref's finally got one right during that game. The replay clearly shows the ball breaking the plane while the receiver had control and both feet down. The only legit score for the ravens was from the recovered fumble. The other field goals were a result of the ref's help with the blatent holding on Harrison and Woodley that weren't called the entire game. However the Steeler's drives were stopped more often than not by the ref's than the raven's defense. Bogus holding calls which replay clearly showed didn't happen and illegal contact on Ward and Holmes weren't called as they should have been. If there would have been an officiating crew there which didn't favor the raven's so much the final score would have been closer to Steeler's 27 raven's 3.
good posts. couldn't have said it better myself. Harrison and company were held all game long. the ravens were even holding on defense. that's how lewis came through the line to sack ben. Stapleton was being held and couldn't get over.

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