camp quandary

Jul 19, 2008 Read more: Akron Beacon Journal 43
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QuinnsMom

Fort Myers, FL

#1 Jul 20, 2008
I hope my boy Brady is allowed to play. He is so cute, far better looking than that Derek boy. Plus my boy was a first round draft pick, nobody drafted as late as that other boy will ever be any good.
Chris in Louisville

Radcliff, KY

#2 Jul 20, 2008
What a great situation. Boils down to this: Anderson MUST perform. And those who think that because he has been annointed "the starter" will enable him to relax? Hogwash. Quinn assuredly will be afforded more reps and exposure than last year, and IF he does well, the pressure on Anderson to avoid mistakes will be immense. Either way, it's a win win for Browns fans because either guy is a top flight number two.
ramon

Canton, OH

#3 Jul 20, 2008
The "quandry" with training camp has absolutely nothing to do with player performance. Having players show up at this staph infected facility is a crime!! A reputable GM and owner would move this year's camp to another facility! Browns players need to boycott this facility for their own livelihoods! It is apparent due to past treatment of players infected with staph that management could not care less!! I have been a Browns fan since 1957 and have never been more ashamed of how management treats its players. To think we thought Modell was a bad owner.
Jopa-n

Parkesburg, PA

#4 Jul 20, 2008
I hope everybody dosen't start judging the preseason like the real deal again. Reguardless of good or bad, the preseason is mostly a joke outside of the first couple drives of the last game. The defenses are absolutely vanilla and the playbooks are cut by 2/3. The rosters are a joke until the last game.
I can hear it now though, Brady throws a 3rd qtr. td pass in the first game against a guy who will be packing groceries in a few months, and the screams for the savior will be in full force.
michael_mattox

Clinton, WA

#5 Jul 20, 2008
In pre-season last year BRADY was by far the best QB...He picked up the Offense very quickly his Accuracy is far better then Anderson and he has a quicker release but more importantly makes much quicker and better decisions...

Yes Anderson has a stronger arm...But watch both in Pre season...Who moves the team better, More consistantly, Who has the fewer interceptions, who finds the OPEN guy best...

THE answer will be Brady Quinn.

NOTE: Until I saw Quinn actually play in Pre-Season last year...I was a Quinn Hater...
ken

Bath, NY

#6 Jul 20, 2008
Let's just see how it works out. Browns fans would be better served NOT falling in love with any particular player...BUT instead just root hard for the TEAM...that is what winning orginazations seem to do.
ramon

Canton, OH

#7 Jul 20, 2008
michael_mattox wrote:
In pre-season last year BRADY was by far the best QB...He picked up the Offense very quickly his Accuracy is far better then Anderson and he has a quicker release but more importantly makes much quicker and better decisions...
Yes Anderson has a stronger arm...But watch both in Pre season...Who moves the team better, More consistantly, Who has the fewer interceptions, who finds the OPEN guy best...
THE answer will be Brady Quinn.
NOTE: Until I saw Quinn actually play in Pre-Season last year...I was a Quinn Hater...
The first knee scope loses.
FCnLA

Santa Ana, CA

#8 Jul 20, 2008
Marla,

Great work. Informative and interesting.

fc/los angeles
michael_mattox

Clinton, WA

#9 Jul 20, 2008
ken wrote:
Let's just see how it works out. Browns fans would be better served NOT falling in love with any particular player...BUT instead just root hard for the TEAM...that is what winning orginazations seem to do.
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Ken:

And lets go skipping down the Yellow Brick Road and click the heels of our red shoes together and love our opponents and try not to beat them by too much.

WE ARE FANS....WE HAVE OPINIONS...Some of those opinions are based on facts...

Quinn pre-Season

Rating 96.5.attempts 45.com p 29.Yrds 300 %64.9 TD 3

Anderson

Rating 70.3.Attempts 42. comp 26.Yrds 268 % 61.9

Both had one interception....Quinn had 3 TD Anderson had NONE
Jopa-n

Parkesburg, PA

#10 Jul 20, 2008
michael_mattox wrote:
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Ken:
And lets go skipping down the Yellow Brick Road and click the heels of our red shoes together and love our opponents and try not to beat them by too much.
WE ARE FANS....WE HAVE OPINIONS...Some of those opinions are based on facts...
Quinn pre-Season
Rating 96.5.attempts 45.com p 29.Yrds 300 %64.9 TD 3
Anderson
Rating 70.3.Attempts 42. comp 26.Yrds 268 % 61.9
Both had one interception....Quinn had 3 TD Anderson had NONE
Tell me Michael. So If one QB plays the 1st half of most games against the 1st and 2nd strings, while the other plays against the 3rd and yes even 4th (it's preseason remember), does that equate into your calculations? Does the amount of snaps given to each player figure into this as well?
Heavens to mergatroid! By your numbers, Most of the starting QB's and RB's should not have started the season! Did you call to inform the NFL offices of the mockery that goes on when the backups (the real stars), don't start at the beginning of the season because of better preseason statistics?
michael_mattox

Clinton, WA

#11 Jul 20, 2008
Pre season is a way to evaluate players...I think anyone who watched the play of both players would realize Brady did indeed play better then Anderson

That doesn't mean that he should have started but he should have gotten some significent playing time....

Now we have Quinn who sat on the Bench all of last year and has NO EXPERIENCE and the coaches have little knowledge how he will respond in a game....

Had he played more and performed as well as I think he would have...Anderson could have been traded in the off season and we would have had another Quality Defensive player that we desperately need....

Back to the yellow brick road and the Tin man for you.
Juannieboy

Chillicothe, OH

#12 Jul 20, 2008
michael_mattox wrote:
In pre-season last year BRADY was by far the best QB...He picked up the Offense very quickly his Accuracy is far better then Anderson and he has a quicker release but more importantly makes much quicker and better decisions...
Yes Anderson has a stronger arm...But watch both in Pre season...Who moves the team better, More consistantly, Who has the fewer interceptions, who finds the OPEN guy best...
THE answer will be Brady Quinn.
NOTE: Until I saw Quinn actually play in Pre-Season last year...I was a Quinn Hater...
I agree 100% with you. Want some more obectivity? The Bronco fans sitting with us last year all agreed that Quinn was the best QB and the field..........including Cutler
mikesfromweirton wv

Pittsburgh, PA

#13 Jul 20, 2008
Who cares about pre-season and Brady Quinn getting most of the snaps. I am so bored with pre-season. Especially, since I have followed it since 1968 with the Browns. Remember when the Browns played 6 exhibitions and the football doubleheaders in the old stadium. The Browns would always go to the west coast for two weeks in early August every year to play the Rams and 49ers. Then Mike Phipps the hot shot rookie would play most of the pre-season until Bill Nelsen needed timing with his receivers Fair Hooker and Frank Pitts who came from KC. That was about 37 years ago.

The main thing to work on for the Browns is defense, defense, defense. The Quarterback position will take of itself. I think Anderson will improve with one season under his belt.

Mike St. from Weirton, WV
michael_mattox

Clinton, WA

#14 Jul 20, 2008
I think Anderson will remain the same....I don't think he makes quick decisions...and that wouldn't change...

If you are happy with the Anderson that played last year...You will be happy this year...But Brady Quinn is better..
mike

Wellington, OH

#15 Jul 20, 2008
anderson has a better arm but quinn has better leadership,more mobile, and seems smarter. I think he will take the job.

Since: Aug 07

Augusta, GA

#16 Jul 20, 2008
I was actually under the impression that one of the things that kept Anderson on his feet besides the vastly improved O-line was his quick decisions and quick release - perhaps they just seemed quick relative to Frye. Still, I think the problem was less the speed of his decisions than perhaps the quality of some of them.

As to what Ken had to say, I don't think that supporting your team even if, in your opinion, they are starting the wrong guy is dancing down the yellow brick road. It's just supporting your team. I think if a bunch of fans come into the stadium and start booing the starters they just might undermine the coaches and the overall effectiveness of the team a bit.

I think what Ken is saying is that we amateurs can have all of the lively debate we want, but when it comes time to play ball, we should support the team that we have, not the one that we dreamt about. And until Quinn gets a chance to show how good he is or isn't, all we can do is dream about the possibilities. We can talk all of the shoulda, coulda, woulda's that we want (SF game, Cincy game), but eventually we're gonna end up back in the here and now.

Personally, I'd love to see Quinn play because I think he can add some immeasurable dynamic to the team. But I'm willing to put that off if the Browns can win with him on the bench for another year. Besides, for anyone who really wants to see Quinn get off to a good start, maybe this year's schedule isn't the best way to go about it.

Frankly, if Quinn is really any good, then I hope Anderson takes the Browns to the playoffs and develops some good trade value before Quinn gets the reins.

Imagine going two full seasons (minus a quarter or so) with the same QB! And winning! In Cleveland!
michael_mattox

Clinton, WA

#17 Jul 20, 2008
SilentBob wrote:
I was actually under the impression that one of the things that kept Anderson on his feet besides the vastly improved O-line was his quick decisions and quick release - perhaps they just seemed quick relative to Frye. Still, I think the problem was less the speed of his decisions than perhaps the quality of some of them.
As to what Ken had to say, I don't think that supporting your team even if, in your opinion, they are starting the wrong guy is dancing down the yellow brick road. It's just supporting your team. I think if a bunch of fans come into the stadium and start booing the starters they just might undermine the coaches and the overall effectiveness of the team a bit.
I think what Ken is saying is that we amateurs can have all of the lively debate we want, but when it comes time to play ball, we should support the team that we have, not the one that we dreamt about. And until Quinn gets a chance to show how good he is or isn't, all we can do is dream about the possibilities. We can talk all of the shoulda, coulda, woulda's that we want (SF game, Cincy game), but eventually we're gonna end up back in the here and now.
Personally, I'd love to see Quinn play because I think he can add some immeasurable dynamic to the team. But I'm willing to put that off if the Browns can win with him on the bench for another year. Besides, for anyone who really wants to see Quinn get off to a good start, maybe this year's schedule isn't the best way to go about it.
Frankly, if Quinn is really any good, then I hope Anderson takes the Browns to the playoffs and develops some good trade value before Quinn gets the reins.
Imagine going two full seasons (minus a quarter or so) with the same QB! And winning! In Cleveland!
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Bob there are two seperate issues Individual players that you Really like for one reason or another and Supporting the team....You may believe as I do that Romeo is a Coach that plays favorites with certain players like Frye or Jason Wright ...The really good coaches don't do that...

BUT IN THE END NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU DISLIKE CERTAIN TEAM OFFICIALS...THEY ARE OUR TEAM...and not matter how P.OED we get we still are there cheering on game day
Charlie

United States

#18 Jul 20, 2008
Go Browns!
Nifong

Tuscarawas, OH

#19 Jul 20, 2008
Good position for the Browns to be in. Opening with Dallas and Pittsburgh, I hope folks do not go crazy if the Browns open 0-2 and struggle offensively.
astylishman

United States

#20 Jul 20, 2008
We have been in disaray for so long that my rep is on the season. All that concerns me is that the Browns are the Bad Asses of the NFL.....

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