Early to bed, early to win?

Early to bed, early to win?

There are 23 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Jul 21, 2008, titled Early to bed, early to win?. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

As the Ravens begin training camp this week, much of the focus has been on the change from the supposed country club under Brian Billick to the tight ship being instituted by new coach John Harbaugh, complete ...

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Jon

Tempe, AZ

#1 Jul 21, 2008
And when the team hits the wall in December, people will be saying the tough camp emptied too much out of the tank before the season even started. You can't win.
Ray Venn

Washington, DC

#2 Jul 21, 2008
I hope the idea is not to wear the players out, but to work on play execution, teamwork, etc.

Overexertion in the early season is a valid concern, but all too many times the Ravens have been unorganized, sloppy, and uninspired in their play. With the new players and coaches, they need all the more time to learn the playbooks and develop discipline.

Since: Sep 07

Midlothian, Virginia

#3 Jul 21, 2008
Some knobs and dials have to be turned and I think a tough camp is the key at this point. The Ravens NEVER played 60 minutes of football. They played 58 minutes of football against New England, but, New England played all 60 and got the win.

It's ironic, but, the Orioles are generally playing nine full innings of baseball and there's been some impressive improvements (shy of the pitching staff). If we can get the Ravens to play 60 full minutes of football, that ought to add several victories to our record this year.
larry g

Gwynn Oak, MD

#4 Jul 21, 2008
Motorhead Fan wrote:
Some knobs and dials have to be turned and I think a tough camp is the key at this point. The Ravens NEVER played 60 minutes of football. They played 58 minutes of football against New England, but, New England played all 60 and got the win.
It's ironic, but, the Orioles are generally playing nine full innings of baseball and there's been some impressive improvements (shy of the pitching staff). If we can get the Ravens to play 60 full minutes of football, that ought to add several victories to our record this year.
the refs played for 2 minutes to get NE the win
Ronnie

Baltimore, MD

#5 Jul 21, 2008
The Ravens won't be the toughest camp but they won't be the easiest anymore either. This team needs some discipline. Billick gave them too much slack and they ran with it. I think the change will be nice. Maybe it'll even help with the stupid penalties we always seem to get at the worst times.
Ronnie

Baltimore, MD

#6 Jul 21, 2008
larry g wrote:
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the refs played for 2 minutes to get NE the win
We did get screwed that night.
larry g

Gwynn Oak, MD

#7 Jul 21, 2008
Ronnie wrote:
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We did get screwed that night.
with no grease , ouch
Ace

The Plains, VA

#8 Jul 21, 2008
Billick always said he wanted to "treat the players like men...that they earned it." I find it ironic that the training camp luxuries that they "earned" are, in my opinion, exactly what needed to be stripped away when things start to go south. I think there's a fine line. I think focus is formed in training camp and that's exactly what this team has lacked for quite a while. Penalties kill drives and they cause you to leave points on the field. I don't know how many points, and therefore, wins, penalties have cost this team over the last few years, but I know the answer is not zero.
Steve

Warrenville, IL

#9 Jul 21, 2008
Yes the new training camp philosophy will make a difference. The reason is simple. Conditioning. The team was poorly conditioned at the beginning of last season and that is why there were so many injuries (Steve McNair included), players leaving the field for oxygen (McGahee) and basically the entire team being a step slower than the competition for the first half of the season. The number of players with pulled muscles last year was ridiculous. The number one reason for a pulled muscle is lack of stretching and warm up which all falls under poor conditioning.
larry g

Baltimore, MD

#10 Jul 21, 2008
Steve wrote:
Yes the new training camp philosophy will make a difference. The reason is simple. Conditioning. The team was poorly conditioned at the beginning of last season and that is why there were so many injuries (Steve McNair included), players leaving the field for oxygen (McGahee) and basically the entire team being a step slower than the competition for the first half of the season. The number of players with pulled muscles last year was ridiculous. The number one reason for a pulled muscle is lack of stretching and warm up which all falls under poor conditioning.
Something was wrong with MacGahee , he better get in shape and stop whatever he is doing

Since: Nov 07

Baltimore, MD

#11 Jul 21, 2008
To pick up on what Steve said, the new coaching staff reviewed film from last year and could not believe how out of condition the players were. Also, the lack of team continuity was equally apparent. These are the things coach Harbaugh is trying to turn around and get headed in the right direction. Here's a balanced perepective on exactly what coach Harbaugh has in mind. Again, it comes from a source OTHER than the (typically) sensationalistic and one-dimensional take of the Sun.

http://www.ravens24x7.com/column_view.php...
dyno don

Houston, TX

#12 Jul 21, 2008
I hope the "new" style camp can instill in the O unit the same kind of pride and toughness we usually see from the D.

And let's hope that somehow the O line comes together and grows up fast. That unit is THIN and shaky.

Since: Nov 07

Baltimore, MD

#13 Jul 21, 2008
dyno don wrote:
I hope the "new" style camp can instill in the O unit the same kind of pride and toughness we usually see from the D.
And let's hope that somehow the O line comes together and grows up fast. That unit is THIN and shaky.
The O-line is NOT "thin and shaky" IMO. Or, to be more specific, the entire O-line is not thin and shaky. The G/C/G combo could develop into the best G/C/G combo in the NFL. They're all beasts. The problem areas are the tackles; that's where the real question marks are. For example, can Gaither get his head together so his Ogden-clone body can follow? Can Adam Terry get his feet to work on the right side as well as he can on the left?(something, btw, that he has yet to demonstrate that he can). Will O'Neil Cousins develop into an NFL RT?

My hunch is that this group will, initially at least, be more proficient at run blocking than pass blocking, but Cameron and Matsko will not be content with that, and will push them to develop in both areas. The way I see it, if Gaither bombs, than Terry can more than adequately take over the LT spot. He did it in 2006, and I see no reason why he can't do it now. That "only" leaves a vacancy at RT. But with 4 out of 5 spots on the O-line filled, I don't see how that could be considered "thin and shaky".

There's also the wild card of Kracalik, who, up to this point has always been seen as a human turnstile. But Cameron keeps saying that Kracalik is improving, so let's at lesat wait until they suit up before passing judgment.
Josh

Royal Oak, MI

#14 Jul 21, 2008
larry g wrote:
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Something was wrong with MacGahee , he better get in shape and stop whatever he is doing
Well thats why we have Ray Rice, if McGahee is not in shape then Rice will take over. So regardless the RB position should be fine.
Attila the Hon

Itasca, IL

#15 Jul 21, 2008
C'mon, guys. It's not going to be like Les Steckel is coaching the team (Heaven forbid!). Who's Les Steckel, you ask? He became the Minnesota Vikings' head coach after Bud Grant's first retirement. Steckel, a USMC Reservist at the time, turned the 1984 Vikings preseason training into a Marine bootcamp. The result? A 3-13-0 record, the pink slip after just one season and the return of Bud Grant. The Ravens' preseason training camp will be tough BUT reasonable, folks.
Terrick

Baltimore, MD

#16 Jul 21, 2008
I hope that this harder camp mentality that John Harbaugh is bringing to Baltimore is a blessing and not a curse. When I say blessing, I mean make the offense tougher and more productive. When I say a curse, I hope this doesn't cause a string of bad injuries to key players before the season starts. If that happens, John Harbaugh may be in the dog house before he can put his stamp on the team
Doug

United States

#17 Jul 21, 2008
Who in the blazes thinks that offense has been prepared to even step onto the field the past decade?

Who thinks Club Billick was working.

Who actually enjoys the recievers who can't break tackles and the bad tackling habits our defense(though good) can still fall into.

Or how about all of the penalties

Let's not forget the horrid two minute offense

This team needs better preparation and a harder training camp will bring that to the table.

Since: Nov 07

Baltimore, MD

#18 Jul 21, 2008
Doug wrote:
Who in the blazes thinks that offense has been prepared to even step onto the field the past decade?
Who thinks Club Billick was working.
Who actually enjoys the recievers who can't break tackles and the bad tackling habits our defense(though good) can still fall into.
Or how about all of the penalties
Let's not forget the horrid two minute offense
This team needs better preparation and a harder training camp will bring that to the table.
Horrid two minute offense? HEY...we had a two minute offense?

LOL
Mike

Walnut, CA

#19 Jul 22, 2008
Mr Flip is right on. Tough or easy is not the issue. Staying healthy and building chemistry for the year is what camp is all about. There is a reason that very few teams grind through training camp as they did years ago. There are only 80 players available and of those you can not afford any injuries or you put your whole season at risk. In the old days there were upward of 150 players in camp. Injuries did not affect the team as much. You have to remember that if the 3rd string wide receiver gets hurt it may mean more work for Derrick Mason because there are not as many receivers. More work for Derrick could lead him to an injury or have long term effects for the season. Either way, right or wrong, good or bad, your good players have to come out of camp healthy, you must make decisions on a few roster spots and you must build chemistry for the upcoming season. This camp is about selling that the Ravens are going to be different under Harbaugh then they were under Billick. Both Harbaugh and Biscotti better hope they can they can do their jobs has as well as well as Billick did his for the organization and the city of Baltimore.
Bruce

United States

#20 Jul 22, 2008
I think Mr. Flip needs to stop putting himself in the third person. He sounds like a total tool.

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