Motion in pocket, but no clear lane

Motion in pocket, but no clear lane

There are 38 comments on the Baltimore Sun story from Apr 27, 2008, titled Motion in pocket, but no clear lane. In it, Baltimore Sun reports that:

Troy Smith must be very uncomfortable. Or unhappy. Or, at least, very, very confused.

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phil

United States

#21 Apr 27, 2008
I think the drafting powers that be looked at the attributes of winning teams and determined that QB is the key position, and that pocket presence, poise, arm strength, height, and intelligence are the prime determinats of QB success, and that we do not have that mix with our current crop.
The mobile QB, although gifted athletically, does not get you to the upper tier (and I know some will refer to Vinve Young, but he, like Cunningham, will not star until he becomes more of a pocket passer), so Troy Smith, along with his heigth, will not get us there. As for Boller, no pocket presence, poise, or intelligence to take us to the next level, so as much as I applaud his heart, a playoff run will not happen with him.
However, by selecting a QB in the first round and practically anointing Flacco as the Second Coming, careers will be on the line, especially Ozzie's. I was laughed at with derision when I said that billick would be terminated irrespective of how much Bisiotti would have to pay him - I will say the same for Ozzie. Ozzie is gone if Flacco is a bust. Bank on it. And that is why we will see how much Flacco can really burden, because the fate of Ozzie will rest on his shoulders.
looseclips

Baltimore, MD

#22 Apr 27, 2008
mark my words
Perplexed

Tucson, AZ

#23 Apr 27, 2008
looseclips wrote:
I think everybody doubting tory but i think he is a good player and winner but undersize drew and tony romo is short good players i think he's going to shock the world and beat out both quarterback mark my words.
What language is this?
Timmyash20

Washington, DC

#24 Apr 27, 2008
I am so tired of the d*** writers from the sun and their negative slant on all baltimore sports. More opinion than news. We didn't "reach" for flacco we traded down ten spots and probably 20 million in guarenteed money. They got extra picks for depth and still were able to pick the qb they liked the most for a reasonable price. Also, I am a huge fan of t smith he is going to get his time to shine in camp this year. If he wins the spot so be it and lets all "HOPE" he succeeds. Mr. Steele will still be second guessing and reporting this pessimistic BS when/if smith struggles this year. I am going to go read the Washington Post Coverage on the ravens draft.
Timmyash20

Washington, DC

#25 Apr 27, 2008
Phil, You are an idiot if you were to fire OZ if flacco doesnt turn out to be a stud. He is widely agreed on as a top-five gm by the NFL community. Compare his record to anyone else. He didn't want Boller to start with and he and travis taylor are the only suspect picks in team history. Travis Taylor left as the career recpts. leader and boller will be a solid backup for the rest of his career. Your kidding me phil.
phil

United States

#27 Apr 27, 2008
Timmyash20 wrote:
Phil, You are an idiot if you were to fire OZ if flacco doesnt turn out to be a stud. He is widely agreed on as a top-five gm by the NFL community. Compare his record to anyone else. He didn't want Boller to start with and he and travis taylor are the only suspect picks in team history. Travis Taylor left as the career recpts. leader and boller will be a solid backup for the rest of his career. Your kidding me phil.
Timmy,
You seem ill-equipped to gauge probabilities, risk, and reward. There is no doubt that with Billick gone, and the flame out of some of our CB/Safety picks, that the burden and accountability for this draft has substantially shifted to Ozzie. The had an opportunity to select above average corners or O-Line, yet they opted for a QB that might have been available in the 2nd round. That, my friend, is assuming risk that may have been unnecessary. There will be criticism of this draft, not unwarranted, so if Flacco flags, there will be a rising chorus to reevaluate our scouting, and that accountability will fall on the draftmeister himself, Ozzie. That, coupled with the criticsm that has centered on our release of and subsequent success of Derek Andersen, will put Ozzie squarely in the crosshairs.
walt holman

Winchester, VA

#28 Apr 27, 2008
Ravens draft/trades--no doubt a serious rebuilding effort is successfully on its way. One suggestion--let's all ease up on the QB issue for awhile. Only the on-field performance [as opposed to our backseat driving] will tell us how well Ozzie did [this time]. If this does not work out--let's clone Johnny U.
GHTS

Towson, MD

#29 Apr 27, 2008
phil wrote:
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Timmy,
You seem ill-equipped to gauge probabilities, risk, and reward. There is no doubt that with Billick gone, and the flame out of some of our CB/Safety picks, that the burden and accountability for this draft has substantially shifted to Ozzie. The had an opportunity to select above average corners or O-Line, yet they opted for a QB that might have been available in the 2nd round. That, my friend, is assuming risk that may have been unnecessary. There will be criticism of this draft, not unwarranted, so if Flacco flags, there will be a rising chorus to reevaluate our scouting, and that accountability will fall on the draftmeister himself, Ozzie. That, coupled with the criticsm that has centered on our release of and subsequent success of Derek Andersen, will put Ozzie squarely in the crosshairs.
Ozzie's biggest problem is that he is a holdover, maybe one of the last,from the Modell era. Sooner or later, Bisciotti will want his own guy in there. If this draft is so-so then look to see Ozzie slowly being edged out; plus he has been at this a long time so maybe he'll want to leave soon anyway.

Also don't be so quick to anoint Andersen a success yet. There is no guarantee that he would ever have been a success in Baltimore. Lots of divorced spouses end up having happy second marriages that never would have been possible with the first spouse. Andersen has a superior offense to work with in Cleveland. Don't you think Boller , for one, would rather be throwing to Braylon and K2 than Masson and (whoever is well enough to play tight end)? The Clowns are a superior offensive team right now and not just because of Andersen.
walt holman

Winchester, VA

#30 Apr 27, 2008
A final suggestion. Will the Sun sports writers please lighten up a little bit on the Ravens. Why not wait until training camp before issuing any further judgments. I know Billick was hard to take for all of us, but let's get behind our new coach.

P.S. Keep up the good work though; you seem to amongst the few fans who are watching the same game as me.
J-Hammer

Washington, DC

#31 Apr 27, 2008
For those that are already bitching and moaning, I have only one thing to say -- Hope we don't see you at M&T this year. Ozzie and company knew who they wanted and they went out and got them. I think I'll wait and see how these picks work out before I start judge them. To say there is no difference between Flacco, Brohm, and Henne is your opinion...it clearly was not the Ravens front office's opinion. David Steele writes a predictably terrible article before the draft is even over. Nobody is saying Smith cannot compete for the job, but face facts...he was drafted with the hope of being a decent backup, not the starter. The Ravens needed to take a chance on a future starting QB and they did. Welcome aboard Joe Flacco.
GRiZZ

Columbia, MD

#32 Apr 27, 2008
Troy Smith will need a back-up. Every NFL team needs another QB in case of injury. Boller will be gone after this year. But to all who say Flacco is the future... I have to ask: What has Troy Smith done to make you think he can't play? He played in 3 games...
--Played late in the Colts game after it was already a blow out, and he scored a TD in that game.
--He played in the Miami game, and had us in position to win but Billick opted to "play it safe" and kick a FG. And the defense gave up after that.
--Started the last game of the season and helped to beat Pittsburgh.

He didn't throw any interceptions either.

But still, he has all these haters who would rather bank on a QB that looks an awful lot like Boller... taller and whiter than Troy, but nothing in-game that warrants any respect.
GRiZZ

Columbia, MD

#33 Apr 27, 2008
The draft pick I have a problem with is A RUNNING BACK IN THE 2nd ROUND?!!?? This was the only position we did NOT need. To waste a high pick on Rice is just inexcusable. Please tell me what this guy is going to do? Special teams? WE even let Mike Anderson and Musa Smith go because we still had 3 backups in Ross, Daniels, and Green. Wow, we drafted ZERO corners and traded for only one... who hasn't shown anything since he's been in the NFL!
dyno don

Cypress, TX

#34 Apr 27, 2008
Timmyash20 wrote:
"He didn't want Boller to start with and he and travis taylor are the only suspect picks in team history."

Hmmm ... How about a couple more early round "suspects": Adam Terry, Dan Cody, Chris Chambers, Dwan Edwards. Sure, they were all second rounders (Dwan was our first pick that year, but we had no first round pick), but I think we'd have to agree that we did not get second round value for them.

We got a lot of depth in this draft, and we needed it very badly. The OTs both are reputed to be nasty, and our OL needs that kind of attitude. I'm happy with any LB from Miami, and the RB looks like he'll be able to contribute right away.

Sometimes I think that Ozzie is reading his own press clippings and reaching for players because he has become a little over-confident. Ozzie HAS been a good GM, but he seems to be slipping IMHO.
Rob

Las Vegas, NV

#35 Apr 27, 2008
The truth......Troy Smith gets discounted, overlooked and unfairly talked about because he is short and black...... he could overcome [like doug flutie /drew brees /jp losman joe theisman etc] being short...but both of those things combined make it conveniently acceptable to treat him like he's invisible to the media.....Truth Joe Flacco is a fascinating prospect with an unusual combination of size and arm strength who I believe has a very calm demeanor that will be his biggest asset...Truth if the Ravens are intrested in winning this year....selecting Joe Flacco at pick 18 was not the thing to do to accomplish that..... selecting Leodis Mckelvin, Dominique Rodgers Cromartie or Mike Jenkins would have given them the leauges premere defense... with Mckelvin at 8 trading up to Jenkins at 25 or takeing either and then adding a Fabian washington....Truth Ozzie Newsomes statement that they didnt believe that there was any corner in this draft that was better than Fabian Washington who was the favorite target of opposing quarterbacks of the raiders last year was shocking and scarey considering he is the guy in charge of player personnel.....please keep track of this draft....dont conveniently forget like all of you seem to do and fall into the same hype next year.
charles

Essex, MD

#36 Apr 27, 2008
flacco is a better quarterback than ryan. he throws farther, harder, and more accurately than ryan. this being said i hope the ravens give all three quarterbacks time to compete. smith earned a chance, maybe boller can finally get over this hump with 2 qbs vying for a chance at the starting job, and flacco looks to me like the first franchise quarterback for baltimore.
Maui Guy

Whittier, CA

#37 Apr 27, 2008
What is the point of this screed? They needed a qb, they got a kid who looks like he can throw , looks cool under fire, and whom I think will become an awesome qb. I like Smith too, but he's slow and short.

Boller is inaccurate, and probably always will be.

I'm willing to bet Flacco is going to be really good. Furthermore, that he'll be really good in a short time.
Joe G

Cherry Hill, NJ

#38 Apr 28, 2008
Somehow I don't think the Ravens are saying to themselves "gee, let's hope Troy Smith doesn't blossom into something special because if he does David Steele and other MMQBs will taunt us for picking Flacco." Just a hunch.
jono

Baltimore, MD

#39 Apr 30, 2008
Joe G wrote:
Somehow I don't think the Ravens are saying to themselves "gee, let's hope Troy Smith doesn't blossom into something special because if he does David Steele and other MMQBs will taunt us for picking Flacco." Just a hunch.
Of course not. But when you spend a ton of money on a rookie, you are going to feel the need to play him. Which is why folks stick with players who aren't working out way too long. So look for Flacco to get his snaps as soon as he shows he is ready unless Smith gets some starts and really wows folks prior to Flacco's emergence. The second either Smith or Flacco shows they can lead this team, I suspect they will have Boller packing his bags.

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