Aaron Mansker, the individual who sho...

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fredo

Dallas, TX

#1 Sep 16, 2006
I have no problem with Foley getting thrown in jail if he was driving drunk; but there is a lawful procedure for achieving such result. Aaron Mansker did not follow it. When a police officer is outside of his/her jurisdiction, he/she is generally nothing more than a private ordinary citizen. We all need to quit calling Aaron Mansker an "off-duty police officer outside of his jurisdiction" and refer to him by what he really was at the time and place of the shooting: "a private ordinary citizen who, at other times and other places, works as a police officer." What Aaron Mansker, a private ordinary citizen at that time and place, should have done is called 911 on his cell phone and reported a suspected drunk driver. This is a land of laws (conservatives remind us of that all the time) and Aaron Mansker did not follow those laws.
Mr. Foley also belongs in the slammer for driving drunk, but he did not deserve to get shot 3 times by a private ordinary citizen; in some places they call that "attempted murder" or "intent to inflict bodily harm to something less than murder" (which generally carries about the same penalties as attempted murder).
The sad thing is that since the media is portraying Aaron Mansker as a police officer, Mr. Foley's lawyers will now have the grand idea of suing the municipality of Mansker's police department for negligence in an attempt to get substantial sums from it (which are, as we all know, the taxes that the rest of us ordinary citizens pay; so we all pay for this jackass' vigilantism). Quit calling Aaron Mansker a police officer and start calling him an idiot.
Samuel_So_Califo rnia

Oceanside, CA

#2 Sep 21, 2006
Well I don't know how your laws are about Police Officers, but in California, you are a police officer 24/7. So no, he wasn't just an "a private ordinary citizen who, at other times and other places, works as a police officer." He was a police officer outside of his patrol area. Remember a cop in California, is a cop in all of California. If he sees a crime committed while he is in Central CA, legally, being a police officer, he may act upon it.
Now, what should have happened was, he sees the crime committed, and while following the vehicle, call 911, inform them that he is a police officer "off duty" reported the incident, and waited for uniformed officer/deputys to arrive and then do what he needed to do as a police officer. That way, more than likely (maybe) Foley wouldn't have been shot. Is Mansker an idiot, you are 100% correct. Also, you can count on Mansker loosing his job as a police officer for the bad judgement call that he made. A very bad judgement call, that almost costed someone their life. As to Foley, i agree he should be in jail for all the numerous run ins with the law, which includes Battery of a Police Officer. Put them both into the same cell!
alicai

San Diego, CA

#3 Sep 24, 2006
we should all abide by the law 24/7. it is not for the middle class only - foley did not understand that
earlswggr

Tucson, AZ

#4 Sep 27, 2006
You said it. Aaron was acting in his law enforcement capacity because he observed a crime being committed. He did call for a uniformed police officer and gave updated locations. There isn't always a backup close by. Aaron obviously believed that he had to get Foley to stop his car because he believed that innocent lives were at risk if Foley continued driving the way he was. Aaron pulled along side Foley and identified himself as a police officer using his I.D. and badge in an attempt to get Foley to stop driving and putting lives in danger.
Not a decision that most officers would make but then again Aaron has seen first hand the cost of a drunk driver taking someone from his life. Be a little more objective when slamming someone who dedicates their life and takes an oath to protect and serve. Someone who steps into a very large pair of shoes when no one else will. Most officers become police officers for the right reasons and I believe Aaron is one of those officers. These situations don't always work out as planned just ask officer Mansker.
I would think that if your reading this that you are a decent person. As a decent person if you were caught doing something wrong like driving drunk you would act accordingly. If Steve had such a problem with Aaron and didn't believe he was a police officer then he should have called the police himself and said there is this crazy guy following me claiming to be a police officer and driven to a public place. But that wasn't the case. Foley was breaking the law and putting lives in danger and like most criminal minds will do just about anything to not get caught. Foley knew he was in the wrong. When Foley was confronted outside of his vehicle and Aaron identified himself as a police officer again Foley started walking toward Aaron. Foley ignored several commands to stay back.
I don't know about you but how long would it take for Foley to take a gun out of your hand and kill you with it. Aarons actions were reactions to Foleys and escalated with Foleys escalations. Aaron had to make a decision and he did. Now what would you do if someone identfying themselves as a police officer is pointing a gun at you telling you to stay back. I would stay the hell back. I see all these comments and they make me sick. I see all these people criticizing Aaron and bashing his name without thinking it through and it makes me sick. Aaron is a police officer sworn to uphold the law and keep the innocent safe and he was trying to do his job. Next time you see a police officer go and tell them thanks because they are doing the job that most people can't or wont.
jdask80

Hamilton, Canada

#5 Sep 27, 2006
earlswggr wrote:
You said it. Aaron was acting in his law enforcement capacity because he observed a crime being committed. He did call for a uniformed police officer and gave updated locations. There isn't always a backup close by. Aaron obviously believed that he had to get Foley to stop his car because he believed that innocent lives were at risk if Foley continued driving the way he was. Aaron pulled along side Foley and identified himself as a police officer using his I.D. and badge in an attempt to get Foley to stop driving and putting lives in danger.
Not a decision that most officers would make but then again Aaron has seen first hand the cost of a drunk driver taking someone from his life. Be a little more objective when slamming someone who dedicates their life and takes an oath to protect and serve. Someone who steps into a very large pair of shoes when no one else will. Most officers become police officers for the right reasons and I believe Aaron is one of those officers. These situations don't always work out as planned just ask officer Mansker.
I would think that if your reading this that you are a decent person. As a decent person if you were caught doing something wrong like driving drunk you would act accordingly. If Steve had such a problem with Aaron and didn't believe he was a police officer then he should have called the police himself and said there is this crazy guy following me claiming to be a police officer and driven to a public place. But that wasn't the case. Foley was breaking the law and putting lives in danger and like most criminal minds will do just about anything to not get caught. Foley knew he was in the wrong. When Foley was confronted outside of his vehicle and Aaron identified himself as a police officer again Foley started walking toward Aaron. Foley ignored several commands to stay back.
I don't know about you but how long would it take for Foley to take a gun out of your hand and kill you with it. Aarons actions were reactions to Foleys and escalated with Foleys escalations. Aaron had to make a decision and he did. Now what would you do if someone identfying themselves as a police officer is pointing a gun at you telling you to stay back. I would stay the hell back. I see all these comments and they make me sick. I see all these people criticizing Aaron and bashing his name without thinking it through and it makes me sick. Aaron is a police officer sworn to uphold the law and keep the innocent safe and he was trying to do his job. Next time you see a police officer go and tell them thanks because they are doing the job that most people can't or wont.
Aaron should be put in jail himself. There were multiple ways to avoid that confrontation and he chose none of them. A uniformed police officer should have taken care of the situation, he already had his license plate and could follow from a safe distance. Citizens are not trained to just stop for anybody - it doesn't matter what he identified himself as - he was a 25 year old kid driving a mazda. He acted innapropriately and broke just about every protocol an officer of the law should follow. It doesn't even matter if it was a DUI or not - he created a situation much worse. If he is able to go back on the job it would be a travesty of justice
earlswggr

Tucson, AZ

#6 Sep 27, 2006
jdask80 wrote:
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Aaron should be put in jail himself. There were multiple ways to avoid that confrontation and he chose none of them. A uniformed police officer should have taken care of the situation, he already had his license plate and could follow from a safe distance. Citizens are not trained to just stop for anybody - it doesn't matter what he identified himself as - he was a 25 year old kid driving a mazda. He acted innapropriately and broke just about every protocol an officer of the law should follow. It doesn't even matter if it was a DUI or not - he created a situation much worse. If he is able to go back on the job it would be a travesty of justice
Since when are Police Officers afforded the luxury of avoiding confrontations? How are you versed as to what protocall is for police officers? And it does matter that he identified himself as a police officer. Just because he is out of uniform doesnt mean he cannot act in a law enforcement capacity. If he were in a bank that was getting robbed and he acted it would be the same thing just as long as the person robbing the bank wasnt a celeberty. Think about 13,000 deaths in the us last year. Thats the amount of lives Drunk drivers took in 2005. Dont get hung up on Aarons age or what he should have been doing instead of trying to prevent another statistic because you are not Aaron. You were probably at home asleep and thinking about saving lives including your own was the farthest thing from your thoughts.
ALLWAYFROMFL

Jacksonville, FL

#7 Sep 27, 2006
Let me ask you this question my friend why couldn't he have waited until back up had arrive this was not a life and death situation the guy was at his home. He could have waited until other units could have arrived. Seems like cops like to shoot big black men with no guns.
earlswggr

Tucson, AZ

#8 Sep 28, 2006
ALLWAYFROMFL wrote:
Let me ask you this question my friend why couldn't he have waited until back up had arrive this was not a life and death situation the guy was at his home. He could have waited until other units could have arrived. Seems like cops like to shoot big black men with no guns.
Good question. Aaron waited as long as he could. In fact Aaron was about to just be done with the whole situation and drove past Foley up the hill and found himself in a dead end. Aaron was on the radio with San Diego PD the whole time giving updates. Just before the main confrontation San Diego PD advised that they were about one minute out. Aaron didn't know that Foley lived there.
I don't know where you would expect Aaron to wait. That comment about officers liking to shoot big black men is a little riduculous. What about black officers. Who do they like to shoot?

Most people don't think about these things or have to make these kind of decisions on a daily basis. We base our thoughts on movies or our own past experiences but we can hardly come close to how things happen in real life, unless your have experienced being a police officer, or even taken classes dealing with the psycology of police confrontations.
joe1211

Rome, NY

#9 Sep 28, 2006
If he was a white man in a business suit would he have shot him,for reaching into his pants?The police officer sould be fired and jailed!
earlswggr

Tucson, AZ

#10 Sep 28, 2006
joe1211 wrote:
If he was a white man in a business suit would he have shot him,for reaching into his pants?The police officer sould be fired and jailed!
Grow up. Don't try to turn this into something It's not. Give me a specific crime and I'll show you any race, or religion you want that has committed it. Pull your head out It's 2006 and we don't all live in some backwoods, banjo playing scene from "Deliverance".
josh

Phoenix, AZ

#11 Sep 28, 2006
Hopefully justice comes thundering down like several tons of bricks on this monster's head that animalistically shot another black person. May justice reverse this ongoing demonism.
earlswggr

Tucson, AZ

#12 Sep 29, 2006
josh wrote:
Hopefully justice comes thundering down like several tons of bricks on this monster's head that animalistically shot another black person. May justice reverse this ongoing demonism.
Wow Josh.... I think you watch a little too much Oprah and not enough real life. Apparently you havent been keeping up to date on this event. Thanks for the input though.
allen

Huntington Beach, CA

#13 Sep 29, 2006
All of you idiots that are blaming Aaron for shooting Foley need to wake up. Aaron was not the one driving drunk. He was on his way home. What would all you same idiots be saying if he did nothing went home and Foley killed some one. You same idiots would be calling for Aaron's head because he did nothing. It seems to me you just hate cops. He only shot him because he is black. What a crock of crap. If Foley was a 260 puond white guy he would have been shot.I would have shot him if I was in the same possition. You never know what some one will do. So open your minds stop being victocrats He was shot becuase he was stupid and drunk. If he would have not been an idiot and did what he was told he would be playing football. Wake up smell what you are selling it stinks. Foley got what he did because he did not listen to a man with a GUN and a BADGE
ALLWAYFROMFL

Jacksonville, FL

#14 Sep 30, 2006
allen wrote:
All of you idiots that are blaming Aaron for shooting Foley need to wake up. Aaron was not the one driving drunk. He was on his way home. What would all you same idiots be saying if he did nothing went home and Foley killed some one. You same idiots would be calling for Aaron's head because he did nothing. It seems to me you just hate cops. He only shot him because he is black. What a crock of crap. If Foley was a 260 puond white guy he would have been shot.I would have shot him if I was in the same possition. You never know what some one will do. So open your minds stop being victocrats He was shot becuase he was stupid and drunk. If he would have not been an idiot and did what he was told he would be playing football. Wake up smell what you are selling it stinks. Foley got what he did because he did not listen to a man with a GUN and a BADGE
If you read the story (idot)Aron stated that he did not show a badge to Foley he said it was on his belt and wasn't sure foley saw it. I don't know where you from, you don't stop late at night for just anybody who says they are cop anymore. People have either been raped or robbed behind doing the same thing as you proposed that foley should have done.
Wrong

El Cajon, CA

#15 Oct 1, 2006
earlswggr wrote:
You said it. Aaron was acting in his law enforcement capacity because he observed a crime being committed. He did call for a uniformed police officer and gave updated locations. There isn't always a backup close by. Aaron obviously believed that he had to get Foley to stop his car because he believed that innocent lives were at risk if Foley continued driving the way he was. Aaron pulled along side Foley and identified himself as a police officer using his I.D. and badge in an attempt to get Foley to stop driving and putting lives in danger.
Not a decision that most officers would make but then again Aaron has seen first hand the cost of a drunk driver taking someone from his life. Be a little more objective when slamming someone who dedicates their life and takes an oath to protect and serve. Someone who steps into a very large pair of shoes when no one else will. Most officers become police officers for the right reasons and I believe Aaron is one of those officers. These situations don't always work out as planned just ask officer Mansker.
I would think that if your reading this that you are a decent person. As a decent person if you were caught doing something wrong like driving drunk you would act accordingly. If Steve had such a problem with Aaron and didn't believe he was a police officer then he should have called the police himself and said there is this crazy guy following me claiming to be a police officer and driven to a public place. But that wasn't the case. Foley was breaking the law and putting lives in danger and like most criminal minds will do just about anything to not get caught. Foley knew he was in the wrong. When Foley was confronted outside of his vehicle and Aaron identified himself as a police officer again Foley started walking toward Aaron. Foley ignored several commands to stay back.
I don't know about you but how long would it take for Foley to take a gun out of your hand and kill you with it. Aarons actions were reactions to Foleys and escalated with Foleys escalations. Aaron had to make a decision and he did. Now what would you do if someone identfying themselves as a police officer is pointing a gun at you telling you to stay back. I would stay the hell back. I see all these comments and they make me sick. I see all these people criticizing Aaron and bashing his name without thinking it through and it makes me sick. Aaron is a police officer sworn to uphold the law and keep the innocent safe and he was trying to do his job. Next time you see a police officer go and tell them thanks because they are doing the job that most people can't or wont.
If you listen to the interview with the officer, he himself said, I just had some vehicle code violations, NOT A CRIME. When asked if the officer thought the driver was drunk, he said he did not know. The officer also addmitted that he has reported suspected DUI's in the past and they were NOT DUI. I hate to see someone get fired over anything, but he made a boot decision that is against every P&P and law.
earlswggr

Tucson, AZ

#16 Oct 2, 2006
Wrong wrote:
<quoted text>If you listen to the interview with the officer, he himself said, I just had some vehicle code violations, NOT A CRIME. When asked if the officer thought the driver was drunk, he said he did not know. The officer also addmitted that he has reported suspected DUI's in the past and they were NOT DUI. I hate to see someone get fired over anything, but he made a boot decision that is against every P&P and law.
He said that the vehicle was swerving all over the place and driving up to 90 mph. The dispatcher understood and stated several times that an off duty coronado officer was following a "deuce". He stated in his interview that the vehicle almost hit the center divide just before he got on the radio with CHP. As far as stopping suspected DUI's and discovering there is no impairment can happen for any number of reasons. Someone sleepy behind the wheel can show signs of impairment or someone trying to multitask and drive at the same time. The fact that Aaron had pulled over suspected DUI's in the past and found them to not be DUI has no bearing on this situation.
I'm not saying he made the best decisions that night. He is a new officer and is still in his save the world mode. Aaron thought he was acting in the best interest of the law and safety of his community.
It will be interesting to see how this all is interpreted in court. California is a pretty liberal state. Good input.
My 2cents

Scottsdale, AZ

#17 Oct 23, 2006
Part 1 of 2.
First and foremost, you idiots have no idea what you are talking about. Those of us who risk our lives everyday to protect a bunch of ungrateful ignorant pieces of shit like yourselves know there is more to this incident then the media is releasing.
Being a police officer is the most thankless job in the world. How many of you have had to fight someone high on drugs/alcohol to protect someone you don't know and who probably doesn't even like you??? Unless you have done it you don't have a clue...this is not TV or a Chuck Norris movie. Officers do this job to make this world a better place and most of us are average guys doing the best we can. We are not invincible perfect beings. We don't all fight like Chuck Lidell and we can't shoot the gun out of the bad guys hand...and neither can you!
Ask yourself, how many people do you work with who are not perfect....well when they fuck-up does it make the nightly news??? If it did can we simply say every doctor is a pill popping quack, every construction worker is an alcoholic or has a meth problem, etc....thats just not fair. It seems the public we protect always hates us...i'm guessing if you hate a cop its probably because you got caught breaking the law. I wasn't driving your car drunk, I didn't make you hit your wife...be responsible for your actions...wahhhhh, I hate you, I got caught being an asshole! Hey I have an idea...if you don't like cops, don't fucking call us to help you or anyone you love!
As an officer to take action to stop a drunk driver is important...drunks kill people everyday you jackasses! How many of you have seen a mini-van packed full of kids with most dead after being hit by a drunk driver? I have. What if it was your mother, father, child....and what if I was driving home and saw the drunk all over the road, into on coming traffic lanes and just said to myself, "I'm off, not my problem," and that drunk went on to kill your loved one....how would you feel about me then??? Thats what I am paid to do...help people, save people, make this place safe and that doesn't not mean I have to tolerate being shot, stabbed, hit, treated like shit, etc....no job pays that much money.
My 2cents

Scottsdale, AZ

#18 Oct 23, 2006
Part 2 of 2.
Any of you read the police report? How was Foley driving? Do you believe everything we hear on TV or read in the newspaper? Do you know all the details before you run at the mouth or are you just mad because you to were arrested before for DUI (risking the lives of everyone on the road) and of course, you were innocent.
Do any of you think you could survive in a fight with Foley (6'03" 265 professional athlete known drug abuser and known to fight with police...a model citizen). I'm sorry we don't just pick you out of the crowd and decide, "hey, lets fuck with that guy for no reason." Believe me, we wouldn't want to deal with a guy like Foley unless we absolutely had to, we are not stupid. If Foley wasn't beaking the law he would be playing this weekend. Foley thinks about Foley, we all make our choices and must accept responsibility for our actions, period!
I am black and in my ten years as a police officer have not seen one bit of it. Those of you shouting, "its because i'm black, its because i'm mexican," are the ones holding us all back. Its not because you are black, mexican, white...its because you are a fucking criminal!!!
So for all you perfect people I have the answer....obey the law and respect others and you will only have to deal with cops if you are a victim. If we are so horrible, don't call us for help...don't vote for bond elections to hire more officers...demand cut backs and fend for yourselves. Most of you live in a fantasy world and think you can handle business like the Rock in the Rundown...give it a shot, I'm sure someone will be calling me to save your ass and catch the bad guy who steals from you, assaults you, etc.
Props to Earlswggr....not one of you posted a argument he didn't shoot holes through and frankly, make you look pathetic. All posting the attacks on Aaron..remember what you said when its your turn being the victim and the cops are helping you...you should be ashamed!
ALLWAYFROMFL

Jacksonville, FL

#19 Oct 23, 2006
My 2cents wrote:
Part 2 of 2. Any of you read the police report? How was Foley driving? Do you believe everything we hear on TV or read in the newspaper? Do you know all the details before you run at the mouth or are you just mad because you to were arrested before for DUI (risking the lives of everyone on the road) and of course, you were innocent.
Do any of you think you could survive in a fight with Foley (6'03" 265 professional athlete known drug abuser and known to fight with police...a model citizen). I'm sorry we don't just pick you out of the crowd and decide, "hey, lets fuck with that guy for no reason." Believe me, we wouldn't want to deal with a guy like Foley unless we absolutely had to, we are not stupid. If Foley wasn't beaking the law he would be playing this weekend. Foley thinks about Foley, we all make our choices and must accept responsibility for our actions, period!
I am black and in my ten years as a police officer have not seen one bit of it. Those of you shouting, "its because i'm black, its because i'm mexican," are the ones holding us all back. Its not because you are black, mexican, white...its because you are a fucking criminal!!!
So for all you perfect people I have the answer....obey the law and respect others and you will only have to deal with cops if you are a victim. If we are so horrible, don't call us for help...don't vote for bond elections to hire more officers...demand cut backs and fend for yourselves. Most of you live in a fantasy world and think you can handle business like the Rock in the Rundown...give it a shot, I'm sure someone will be calling me to save your ass and catch the bad guy who steals from you, assaults you, etc.
Props to Earlswggr....not one of you posted a argument he didn't shoot holes through and frankly, make you look pathetic. All posting the attacks on Aaron..remember what you said when its your turn being the victim and the cops are helping you...you should be ashamed!
You should have kept that shit to yourself just, because you black doesn’t mean shit. Your arrogance is just what got Foley in his situation. I hope he goes to jail just like all bad cops that do stupid shit like he did. I'm sure your stupid ass will say cops don't profile either. I surely don't believe everything in fucking police report because I know cops don't lie. Eat shit I would want you to defend for me.
ALLWAYFROMFL

Jacksonville, FL

#20 Oct 23, 2006
My 2cents wrote:
Part 1 of 2.
First and foremost, you idiots have no idea what you are talking about. Those of us who risk our lives everyday to protect a bunch of ungrateful ignorant pieces of shit like yourselves know there is more to this incident then the media is releasing.
Being a police officer is the most thankless job in the world. How many of you have had to fight someone high on drugs/alcohol to protect someone you don't know and who probably doesn't even like you??? Unless you have done it you don't have a clue...this is not TV or a Chuck Norris movie. Officers do this job to make this world a better place and most of us are average guys doing the best we can. We are not invincible perfect beings. We don't all fight like Chuck Lidell and we can't shoot the gun out of the bad guys hand...and neither can you!
Ask yourself, how many people do you work with who are not perfect....well when they fuck-up does it make the nightly news??? If it did can we simply say every doctor is a pill popping quack, every construction worker is an alcoholic or has a meth problem, etc....thats just not fair. It seems the public we protect always hates us...i'm guessing if you hate a cop its probably because you got caught breaking the law. I wasn't driving your car drunk, I didn't make you hit your wife...be responsible for your actions...wahhhhh, I hate you, I got caught being an asshole! Hey I have an idea...if you don't like cops, don't fucking call us to help you or anyone you love!
As an officer to take action to stop a drunk driver is important...drunks kill people everyday you jackasses! How many of you have seen a mini-van packed full of kids with most dead after being hit by a drunk driver? I have. What if it was your mother, father, child....and what if I was driving home and saw the drunk all over the road, into on coming traffic lanes and just said to myself, "I'm off, not my problem," and that drunk went on to kill your loved one....how would you feel about me then??? Thats what I am paid to do...help people, save people, make this place safe and that doesn't not mean I have to tolerate being shot, stabbed, hit, treated like shit, etc....no job pays that much money.
PS If it is so thankless my friend you need to find another job. Crying as cop on how thankless his job is. Go blow.

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