Thompson needs to upgrade Packers' of fensive personnel

Watch two days of minicamp practices and one thing jumps out about the Green Bay Packers offense. Full Story
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Bone In Kewaskum

Seattle, WA

#1 May 22, 2006
I'm sure it's not too early to give up on the players in this new blocking schemes. Two practices without pads should tell them all they need to know. Same author who declared Rodgers a bust last year? I think so.
North Carolina Packer Fan

Pleasanton, CA

#2 May 22, 2006
Well, the author is entitled to his opinion. Some of his points seem valid taken by themselves. However, it appears that the author is evaluating the players in a vaccuum. Specifically, he talks about Colledge being to light to play against the massive defensive tackles. Maybe if the Packers were using the blocking scheme employed last season, but as we've all read countless times, the new zone blocking requires lighter, more athletic guards....exactly what they have with Colledge and Coston. And he doesn't think Wells is as good as even an ailing Flannigan. I would suggest that the author look at tape from two years ago (Wells' rookie season) when Wells filled in for Flannigan at center and played extremely well. And if Wells could play well as a rookie, why not Colledge? And Coston has had and extra year to work himself in. The offensive line should be considerably better than last year.

As for receiver, I think we'll see that this season, it's not just the receiver, it's the system they'll be playing in. The Packers have not run the West Coast offense since Holmgren was the coach. While Ferguson has not lived up to his potential yet, his body type and style of play fit better with the new offense. As will Gardner and Boerigter. AND they drafted a couple of speed receivers who can "stretch" the field when needed. Last time I checked, the Packers had 12 receivers on the current roster to pick from. And that does not include Charles Woodson.
ericishere

United States

#3 May 22, 2006
n.c.p.f. I f this guy is correct about wells ( although i think wells is a good center)

Do you think Coston,and Colledge at the guards and Jason Spitz at center would kick ass like i do?

A little inexpieienced Colledge and spitz are rookies and Coston i 2nd year, but if they are all nasty throwbacks,i think we have a winner!!!!!!
North Carolina Packer Fan

Pleasanton, CA

#4 May 22, 2006
Many people point to last season and question Wells' ability. My answer has been that last season, they tried him at guard and he didn't play all that well. He's a natural center and as far as I'm concerned, proved himself at that position. I like the attitude of guys like Spitz and Colledge. But I'm still in favor of keeping Wells as the starting center.
PACKRAT

Oxford, MI

#5 May 22, 2006
definately wells at center. he did fine when flanagan was out (which was often), and i think his only flaws were when he was tested at guard. ericishere- i agree that the packers have the great beginnings to a fine offensive line, i just think we need to give them time. i'm still a little weary of what may happen if at least one rookie doesn't step it up this year. i don't like whittacker and i don't trust barry.
ericishere

United States

#6 May 22, 2006
I agree, Barry is always out of shape, and like I said our line is inexpierienced, whittaker wont be here unless of injuries.Brett may be scrambling a little in the first half of the season, but I can see the o-line getting it together in the second half,and the future is pretty bright.
North Carolina Packer Fan

Pleasanton, CA

#7 May 22, 2006
And don't forget the Pack could still pick up some depth when teams start cutting.
Jerry

Eagle River, WI

#8 May 22, 2006
Whittacker is at this point a training camp player who has no chance of making the team. Barry is working hard to beat Whittacker out the door, especially now that he was injured this past weekend. NCPF is right when he suggested the team will be looking for players who get cut, and that is going to happen beginning June 1st when veterans get the axe. It is hard to believe that Colledge, Coston, and Spitz could be the starting inside linemen because they have zero NFL experience between them. While the 2 OG look like they may start, Spitz is less of a challenge to Wells.
North Carolina Packer Fan

Pleasanton, CA

#9 May 23, 2006
Based on an article in the Journal-Sentinel, Wells seems to have the center position locked up.
ericishere

United States

#10 May 23, 2006
i seem to agree with n.c.p.f. alot, but , dont forgert the other teams will be looking for cut players as well, so theres no guarrenty we ll get who we go after.

i wouldnt count Spitz out as a starting center. He looked pretty good in the few games I saw on espn this past season.
kidflash

Wallace, MI

#11 May 23, 2006
Ericishere, the Packers have been using Spitz mostly as a guard, and with Barry out for the season, I think he will probably stay there. The Packers really seem to like Wells at center, and they also like Chris White there.
North Carolina Packer Fan

Raleigh, NC

#12 May 24, 2006
I agree with Kidflash. They've got a starter in Wells and a backup in White so center is taken care of. Guard is in need of depth and Spitz has been getting time there.
ericishere

United States

#14 May 24, 2006
PACKRAT wrote:
WHAT THE HELL... BRING IN VERBA FOR ANOTHER LOOK SEE. AT THIS POINT, WHAT COULD IT HURT??
VERY TRUE A vet. to teach the rookies how to do it!!. I f Verba starts for a year than 1 of the rooks or Coston gets a year to learn,if Verba sucks , cut him without any real lose, and were back to rookies learning on the job,which they are capable of doing anyway.
North Carolina Packer Fan

Raleigh, NC

#15 May 24, 2006
Verba is not a bad idea. As I remember, he has that mean streak that the Packers like to see. (They got it in Colledge and Spitz.) I wouldn't have minded the Packers keeping Rugemer as a backup guard because he had the same attitude (just not as much talent).
Jerry

Eagle River, WI

#16 May 24, 2006
I am somewhat surprised that Rugemer was let go, NCPF. He did not cost much, and was a fairly good multi-position player. And I wonder what became of the Verba thing. Maybe they will sign him after they see what occurs on June 1st, when a lot of veterans are released.
North Carolina Packer Fan wrote:
Verba is not a bad idea. As I remember, he has that mean streak that the Packers like to see.(They got it in Colledge and Spitz.) I wouldn't have minded the Packers keeping Rugemer as a backup guard because he had the same attitude (just not as much talent).
Holstein Bilter

United States

#17 May 24, 2006
"The Packers have not run the West Coast offense since Holmgren was the coach. " -NCPF
Umm NCPF..I have to respectfully diagree with you. Mike SHerman was running the west coast offense as well. even Ray Sherman before him.
North Carolina Packer Fan

Raleigh, NC

#18 May 24, 2006
I think what Sherman was running was not a true West Coast offense. The WC offense is famous for short, quick passes and letting the receivers try to work extra yardage. Sherman ran longer routes that required the QB to drop the ball in over the DB. It also required Favre to hold on to the ball longer.
Cal to Green Bay

San Mateo, CA

#19 May 25, 2006
NCPF. I think that's by design that Sherman did that.
THe original West Coast Offense from San Francisco was predicated
on the wide receivers being faster than the linebackers and gaining
yardage after that 5-10 yd pass.

Nowadays defense are BUILT to stop the quick pass game. Linebackers are super fast and make these quick passes have no gains.

Sherman's offense played to their personnel's strengths. Javon Walker
was not a break tackle receiver. He was a sprinter who could beat his man deep. Donald Driver also is not a break a tackle receiver (ALA Terrel Owens, Hines Ward etc). Donald goes under the seems and does the crossing routes effective in the west coast offense. But Donald only did well when Javon Walker took half the field with him.

Donald had good yardage and numbers last year, but his yards after the catch suffered.

The running game was partly the blame. If the running game is improved, then the short pass came can play off of it. They could not do that this year.

W/the new zone blocking scheme, it should opening up throwing lanes for Aaron Rodgers.
North Carolina Packer Fan

Raleigh, NC

#20 May 25, 2006
I agree with most of what you wrote. Favre had most of his success with the likes of Sterling Sharpe who could run dbs over. The one point we diverge on (and only slightly) is that the lanes will be open for Favre. (Although I do expect that Rodgers will get to see some action during games this season.)
kidflash

United States

#21 May 25, 2006
Jerry wrote:
I am somewhat surprised that Rugemer was let go, NCPF. He did not cost much, and was a fairly good multi-position player. And I wonder what became of the Verba thing. Maybe they will sign him after they see what occurs on June 1st, when a lot of veterans are released.<quoted text>
Jerry, it sounds like the Packers are still interested in Verba, but he is asking for more than the Packers want to pay. There is some speculation that Verba is trying to get Green bay and Tampa bay into a bidding war for his services.

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