Scrimmage had a little bit of everything

For those who paid $8 apiece to get an in-person look-see at the changes their favorite NFL team underwent during the offseason, the Green Bay Packers' Family Night Scrimmage Saturday night was a hodgepodge of ... Full Story
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Jerry

Eagle River, WI

#1 Aug 6, 2006
Some thoughts I have about individual players after watching the scrimmage last night.

Hodge: Awesome hitter. Is going to be one of the best LB in the NFL. Will start somewhere this year.

Jennings: Clearly the #2 WR on the team. Unlike Walker, he will be a major contibutor in his rookie year. Fantastic WR & return man.

Rodgers: Much improved from last year. Looking very much like a starting NFL QB.

Herron: Will challenge for that #1 RB position.

Hawk: It is obvious that he is still trying to find his way. That 5 weeks when he was finishing school, and not at the mini camps & OTA, put him behind. He played on both the 1st & 2nd team D, which should help escalate his training.

Culver(S), Jolly(DT) & Tollefson(DE) got their names called a couple of times.
Henry

Stevens Point, WI

#2 Aug 6, 2006
I agree about most of what you said, but Herron being the number 1 running back? Probably not. He'll make the team, no doubt, but I don't think he's going to get a shot at starter unless somehow we get as many injuries at RB as we did last year. Right now, Green's going to be their first guy, Davenport or Gado will be the second/third, and Herron will be the fourth.

I'm really freaking excited about Greg Jennings. I can't wait to see him in the preseason game next week.

Now, I missed the scrimmage unfortunately. For anyone who watched it, how did the two rookie guards do?
Jerry

Eagle River, WI

#3 Aug 6, 2006
Colledge made one key block that got Gado into the end zone, but we did not hear anything about Spitz. Coston had to play left tackle and missed a couple of blocks, but in his defense he has never played that position before last night. I had mentioned Herron before as the possible #1 on this site, and like you no one agreed with me. However, the announcers last evening spoke very highly of him.
Henry wrote:
I agree about most of what you said, but Herron being the number 1 running back? Probably not. He'll make the team, no doubt, but I don't think he's going to get a shot at starter unless somehow we get as many injuries at RB as we did last year. Right now, Green's going to be their first guy, Davenport or Gado will be the second/third, and Herron will be the fourth.
I'm really freaking excited about Greg Jennings. I can't wait to see him in the preseason game next week.
Now, I missed the scrimmage unfortunately. For anyone who watched it, how did the two rookie guards do?
Norton

Gleason, WI

#4 Aug 6, 2006
62,701 turn out for a scrimmage. Now thats what is called a fan base.
brett

AOL

#5 Aug 6, 2006
hodge and jennings were both steals and will barring injuries have great careers which should make up for the fact that Hawk while a great college player will be nothing more than average as a pro.

It all comes down to the play of the two rookie guards. They are the key to the entire season. If they can do the job than one of our three tailbacks should be healthy enough to drive the ball down the opponents throat. This will keep the defenses honest and give favre and company the ability to pick the opposition apart.

Worried about the place kicker but if it comes down to that, than we are in a lot better shape than anyone expects us to be in.
Jerry

Eagle River, WI

#6 Aug 7, 2006
Hawk has had just one week of training camp, after missing 5 or 6 weeks of mini camp, so don't give up on him just yet. Let's see what he does in the next 2 or three weeks. But you are right, the Packers got some real steals in the 2nd through 4th rounds including Hodge & Jennings. Maybe Colledge will be another one.
brett wrote:
hodge and jennings were both steals and will barring injuries have great careers which should make up for the fact that Hawk while a great college player will be nothing more than average as a pro.
It all comes down to the play of the two rookie guards. They are the key to the entire season. If they can do the job than one of our three tailbacks should be healthy enough to drive the ball down the opponents throat. This will keep the defenses honest and give favre and company the ability to pick the opposition apart.
Worried about the place kicker but if it comes down to that, than we are in a lot better shape than anyone expects us to be in.
TOMMYBOY

Des Plaines, IL

#7 Aug 7, 2006
I don't mean to be a downer here... but this was a scrimmage. Nothing whatsoever to get excited about. All we get is a distorted snapshot of the team. Nothing surprised me.

Herron is a third string running back. Probably a fourth string guy on this team. I'm still not sure what the fuss is about. He's a filler. Jennings is a talent, but history proves that first year receivers are inconsistent and rarely exceed (or match) expectations. I wouldn't count on him guys. The future might be bright, but this year he'll put up pedestrian numbers at best. The offensive line still scares the crap out of me. Hawk and Hodge are good (but we knew that already). And Hawk will be great... don't be fooled by the "slow" start. He's going to take a few "NFL months" to get rolling. And like I said five months ago, Rodgers should be the starting QB for this young team. No better time than the present to toss him in there and baptize him. The future is now.

And one more thing, I'll say it again and again, Gado should be the starting running back on this team. By week 5 he will be.
Bill

Ripon, WI

#8 Aug 7, 2006
I didn't see any of the scrimmage and I know they have talent but I still don't think they will go any better than 8-8. I think it will be an exciting season watching some of these young guys develop and get better every week but this is far from a playoff team, so don't get hopes up too much from one scrimmage. Tommyboy you are probably right that Gado will be starting by week 5, I know I disagreed with you early but considering that Davenport is already hurting and Green isn't back yet Gado is the only guy left because Herron is a backup and that is it. As far as Jennings I think he can be one of the few rookie receivers that could surprise some people as the season progresses and will keep getting better. He doesn't have a big head like other rookie receivers that come into the NFL and I think part of that is because he wasn't a 1st rounder although it appears he is 1st round talent given this past years lack of receiver talent.
Jerry

Eagle River, WI

#9 Aug 7, 2006
Tommyboy, as always I respect your opinion. However, scrimmage or not, after watching the NFL for many years I recognize talent when I see it. Jennings and Hodge are going to be big time players. It is way too early to judge Hawk, as he needs time to get acclimated. You and I have disagreed on Herron before, but I'm going to stick with my opinion. He is the best all around RB on the team at this moment. I don't Green & Davenport are going to contribute much this year.
TOMMYBOY wrote:
I don't mean to be a downer here... but this was a scrimmage. Nothing whatsoever to get excited about. All we get is a distorted snapshot of the team. Nothing surprised me.
Herron is a third string running back. Probably a fourth string guy on this team. I'm still not sure what the fuss is about. He's a filler. Jennings is a talent, but history proves that first year receivers are inconsistent and rarely exceed (or match) expectations. I wouldn't count on him guys. The future might be bright, but this year he'll put up pedestrian numbers at best. The offensive line still scares the crap out of me. Hawk and Hodge are good (but we knew that already). And Hawk will be great... don't be fooled by the "slow" start. He's going to take a few "NFL months" to get rolling. And like I said five months ago, Rodgers should be the starting QB for this young team. No better time than the present to toss him in there and baptize him. The future is now.
And one more thing, I'll say it again and again, Gado should be the starting running back on this team. By week 5 he will be.
TOMMYBOY

Des Plaines, IL

#10 Aug 7, 2006
Jerry wrote:
Tommyboy, as always I respect your opinion. However, scrimmage or not, after watching the NFL for many years I recognize talent when I see it. Jennings and Hodge are going to be big time players. It is way too early to judge Hawk, as he needs time to get acclimated. You and I have disagreed on Herron before, but I'm going to stick with my opinion. He is the best all around RB on the team at this moment. I don't Green & Davenport are going to contribute much this year. <quoted text>
I respect your opinion too Jerry. You know your stuff and are a good fan. But, there's just very little you can get out of a scrimmage game. It's impossible to accurately judge any player when their playing against their own team. I've been there and know this first hand. Not to mention, guys are told "politely" to take it easy on certain player, are given a heads up as to the plays, etc. Coaches are secretly cheering for some guys to succeed, so they run favorable match-ups.

Jennings and company might be future hall of famers, but I'll hold my critique on their talent and production until I see them play live against the best football players in the world. At this point, they may have talent... but all these guys are unproven projects. This team is a long, long way from being a challenger.

Herron is an interesting bird. I've never said he doesn't have talent; I'm just not as high on his talent as others. I'd prefer him to say a guy like Tony Fisher, but not to yet to Davenport, Gado or Green. I hope he's as good as you think he is.
TOMMYBOY

Des Plaines, IL

#11 Aug 7, 2006
8-8 is my thought too. This team is going in the right direction, and I like what the future holds, but it's going to take some time for this group to mature, and consistently win games. There are going to be a lot of disappointing moments this year! I'm also shocked by Favre's recent comments two weeks ago. To call this team the most talented he's played on is quite a stretch. That got me going. A good leader doesn't set that kind of expectation. You underplay everything and surprise people. Under promise, over deliver. This is not the 1996 team.... that I can assure you. Realistic expectations are important.

Here are my predictions:(1) A quarterback controversy. At some point this season, Rodgers will play. His productivity has fans calling for a change. Favre's last year in Green Bay eminent.(2) Gado becomes the starter. Through the process of attrition only, Gado leads the team in all rushing categories.(3) Best defensive player not Hawk. Put your money on Nick Collins, the teamís 2006 defensive player of the year. This kid is exceptional and typically goes under the radar.(4) Franks is back. Say what you will about Bubbaís speed, but he will prove a very, very valuable safety valve for the rushed quarterback (who ever it ends up being).(5) Driver proves best first, second, and third passing option. Yes, Jennings has promise, but donít count on him. Donít count on anyone to produce better than pedestrian numbers at wide out (besides Driver).(6) Kicking woes. The kicking game will cost the Packers three games (maybe more). Donít be surprised if they go in a completely different direction than those in camp.(7) Hawk will be a much better player than Hodge. Hodge is a good draft pick, a good value, but Hawk is a special, special playeróregardless of what a few practices or a scrimmage might show.(8) The first round draft choice of the 2007 draft will be a wide receiver, even if the Packerís have to move up and grab the best one available. Rodgers will need more help.(9) Woodson will deliver, big. I donít care what anyone tells me, CW is primed for a great yearóand is still one of the most exciting players to watch (on both sides of the ball?) in the NFL.(10) Robert Ferguson will make the team, and be the teamís second most productive receiver.
kidflash

United States

#12 Aug 7, 2006
Tommyboy, I would have to agree with you on most of what you have said. The scrimmage isn't going to give you a complete picture of how a player is doing. A good example is Hodge, who looked good, but he wasn't put in situations that would have showed how much he is struggling with pass coverage. The offensive line is also starting to scare me, not because of the 2 rookies starting, but because of the lack of depth. If Clifton continues to have problems with his knee the Packers could be in a lot of trouble. I am however starting to think Jennigs could be the other starter at wide receiver and have a nice year. I don't base that on the scrimmage, but on the fact that he does it at every practice.
Bill

Ripon, WI

#13 Aug 7, 2006
Well said Tommyboy, I think you are correct on most of your predictions. I believe Sherman didn't have the guts to pull Favre out of a game and I think McCarthy does and if Favre starts playing poorly Rodgers will be in the game. As far as the Packers 1st round pick in 2007 I think it will either be a receiver or a running back, as I've said before I'm not sure that Gado is the long term answer at RB. This year I think Hodge is going to make his impact on special teams and next year possibly have a bigger role. For Nick Collins I'm a big fan of his and he is going to be a very good player for a long time for the organization, it helps that he is wearing 36, that's a comfortable number in the Packers defensive backfield.
TOMMYBOY

Des Plaines, IL

#14 Aug 7, 2006
kidflash wrote:
Tommyboy, I would have to agree with you on most of what you have said. The scrimmage isn't going to give you a complete picture of how a player is doing. A good example is Hodge, who looked good, but he wasn't put in situations that would have showed how much he is struggling with pass coverage. The offensive line is also starting to scare me, not because of the 2 rookies starting, but because of the lack of depth. If Clifton continues to have problems with his knee the Packers could be in a lot of trouble. I am however starting to think Jennigs could be the other starter at wide receiver and have a nice year. I don't base that on the scrimmage, but on the fact that he does it at every practice.
Oh yes, the offensive line... I'll be holding my breath on every snap! Let's hope those guys on the interior hold their own.
Norton

Gleason, WI

#15 Aug 7, 2006
I don't think the team will be much better in 3 years then they will be today.
Why? Clifton,Tauscher,Harris,Woodso n,Franks,Driver just to name a few will be going south with age along with free agents that will be gone. Somehow they need to be good now. What happens in the future depends on good management. We as fans should not be predicting anything other then them not losing a game. Reality we know better, but before the kick off I will always think the Packers will/can win no matter who they are playing. When the final score is posted I'm either very happy or trying to figure why they lost and disappointed...To be a winner you need to have the desire and always say/think and believe you will win..By putting a number on the wins and looses to me at this juncture is impossible and can only hope for 20-0. For the coaches and players to think differently means they are not confident in themselves....
Jerry

Eagle River, WI

#16 Aug 7, 2006
Yes Tommyboy, I can go along with most of what you've said here, with the exception of the QB controversy. I do agree that Aaron Rodgers is just about ready to be the starter, but it won't happen this year unless Brett gets injured. Why? Because Brett is the story for 2006, and not just for Packer fans, but for NFL fans as well. In every city the fans are going to want to see him play one last time. This is Brett's big goodbye, and the NFL will not allow him to be benched. NO doubt, Rodgers will have to relieve him at times, but there will be no controversy as to who will start. None. It's going to be a three ring circus, and we are going to get tired of it by the end of the season. The best thing about the coming season will be the development of the young guys....and we have some good ones. Like you, I also believe Hawk is going to be a great player, but so will the guy playing next to him (Hodge). Now that's an exciting thought.
TOMMYBOY wrote:
8-8 is my thought too. This team is going in the right direction, and I like what the future holds, but it's going to take some time for this group to mature, and consistently win games. There are going to be a lot of disappointing moments this year! I'm also shocked by Favre's recent comments two weeks ago. To call this team the most talented he's played on is quite a stretch. That got me going. A good leader doesn't set that kind of expectation. You underplay everything and surprise people. Under promise, over deliver. This is not the 1996 team.... that I can assure you. Realistic expectations are important.
Here are my predictions:(1) A quarterback controversy. At some point this season, Rodgers will play. His productivity has fans calling for a change. Favre's last year in Green Bay eminent.(2) Gado becomes the starter. Through the process of attrition only, Gado leads the team in all rushing categories.(3) Best defensive player not Hawk. Put your money on Nick Collins, the teamís 2006 defensive player of the year. This kid is exceptional and typically goes under the radar.(4) Franks is back. Say what you will about Bubbaís speed, but he will prove a very, very valuable safety valve for the rushed quarterback (who ever it ends up being).(5) Driver proves best first, second, and third passing option. Yes, Jennings has promise, but donít count on him. Donít count on anyone to produce better than pedestrian numbers at wide out (besides Driver).(6) Kicking woes. The kicking game will cost the Packers three games (maybe more). Donít be surprised if they go in a completely different direction than those in camp.(7) Hawk will be a much better player than Hodge. Hodge is a good draft pick, a good value, but Hawk is a special, special playeróregardless of what a few practices or a scrimmage might show.(8) The first round draft choice of the 2007 draft will be a wide receiver, even if the Packerís have to move up and grab the best one available. Rodgers will need more help.(9) Woodson will deliver, big. I donít care what anyone tells me, CW is primed for a great yearóand is still one of the most exciting players to watch (on both sides of the ball?) in the NFL.(10) Robert Ferguson will make the team, and be the teamís second most productive receiver.
mrt

Edgerton, WI

#17 Aug 7, 2006
I agree with Tommy Boy on some points but beleive that even if Jennings soesn't start at the beginning of the year he will eventually be the starter either by default or by big plays. I personally think they should start him as the number three and having him returning punts, this is the way Antonio Freeman got into the mix. I personally beleive that the Packers are going to have to make some sort of trade for a back-up Offensive Tackle and considering their depth at linebacker maybe they could swing a deal for Poppinga or maybe even Manning at the end of the Preseason when teams do their final cuts. Any thoughts.
TOMMYBOY

United States

#18 Aug 7, 2006
Jerry wrote:
Yes Tommyboy, I can go along with most of what you've said here, with the exception of the QB controversy. I do agree that Aaron Rodgers is just about ready to be the starter, but it won't happen this year unless Brett gets injured. Why? Because Brett is the story for 2006, and not just for Packer fans, but for NFL fans as well. In every city the fans are going to want to see him play one last time. This is Brett's big goodbye, and the NFL will not allow him to be benched. NO doubt, Rodgers will have to relieve him at times, but there will be no controversy as to who will start. None. It's going to be a three ring circus, and we are going to get tired of it by the end of the season. The best thing about the coming season will be the development of the young guys....and we have some good ones. Like you, I also believe Hawk is going to be a great player, but so will the guy playing next to him (Hodge). Now that's an exciting thought. <quoted text>
Perhaps. I made a prediction. Went out on a limb. I didn't say why Favre wouldn't play... injury, poor preformance, etc., but I do lean 52% to 48% that his steak will end, he'll be yanked if he doesn't perform well or the team is out of the game. I do see Rodgers getting some time on the field this year... and I think when it happens (notice I said when not if), there will be a number of people who will be demanding Rodgers continue as the quarterback. I disagree that there's some kind of NFL conspiracy that Favre must play. He throws 3, 4, 5 interceptions in a game, he will be sitting on the bench. McCarthy has made that point clear. I come from a different perspective... that the coaching staff is looking for an excuse to get Rodgers in there to see what he can do... and they'll have plenty excuses this year. Trust me when I say that the organization knows Favre's best days are behind him... they'll let him dig his own grave.
TOMMYBOY

United States

#19 Aug 7, 2006
mrt wrote:
I agree with Tommy Boy on some points but beleive that even if Jennings soesn't start at the beginning of the year he will eventually be the starter either by default or by big plays. I personally think they should start him as the number three and having him returning punts, this is the way Antonio Freeman got into the mix. I personally beleive that the Packers are going to have to make some sort of trade for a back-up Offensive Tackle and considering their depth at linebacker maybe they could swing a deal for Poppinga or maybe even Manning at the end of the Preseason when teams do their final cuts. Any thoughts.
Many of you know that I made a number of predictions based on the team's signing of two particular WRs. They shall remain nameless because I swore I'd stop harping about them months ago. Everyone told me they were perfect for the system... tall, big, fast, etc. I said they were historic underachievers and would not produce. Everyone laughed at me and talked about their potential. Yikes.

While I'm not afraid to eat my words, I'm telling you now that Jennings has a very good future, and might put together a good game or two, but he is not the answer this year. If you think so, you will be disappointed. A good third or fourth WR option, perhaps, but Fergy will likely out perform him... and that my friends isn't saying much! Now, I hope I'm wrong, and I appreciate the optimism... and join you in hoping... but Driver is the only reliable option on this team... barring another pick up inside the next few weeks. And yes, I wouldn't be surprised to see them add a player or two on both lines.
TOMMYBOY

United States

#20 Aug 7, 2006
By the way, Jerry, Norton, Bill, mrt... it's nice to have constructive conversation, among true fans, without the crappy posts from our Viking brothers. I know you don't always agree with the things I say, but I appreciate the tact you use when you agree and disagree.

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